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Challenging Bill Proenza's QuikSCAT numbers
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:04 PM GMT on July 04, 2007 +4
A political storm engulfed the National Hurricane Center this week, with a majority of the senior hurricane forecasters calling for Bill Proenza's removal as director. The most visible issue revolved around the extraordinary focus on the aging QuikSCAT satellite. The public argument put forth by Mr. Proenza was that QuikSCAT data was so vital to hurricane track forecasting that without it, track forecast errors would increase significantly, leading to larger warning areas and increased costs for evacuation and emergency planning.

Focus on QuikSCAT--out of proportion?
On March 16th Proenza went public with the QuikSCAT concerns and associated statistics for the first time, stating that "two- and three-day forecasts of a storm's path would be affected. The two-day forecast could be 10 percent worse while the three-day one could be affected up to 16 percent," with the conclusion," that would mean longer stretches of coastline would have to be placed under warnings, and more people than necessary would have to evacuate." As a result of these comments, a perception arose in the public and among lawmakers that without QuikSCAT, NHC would not be able to provide accurate hurricane forecasts. Legislation was hastily introduced into both the House and Senate to provide an immediate replacement for the $375 million satellite.

Proenza's statements raised several questions: 1) Why the focus on track forecast errors in landfalling situations, when QuikSCAT was widely known to be used in intensity forecasting and for tropical cyclones too far at sea to be accessed by the Hurricane Hunters? 2) Could such specific and significant gains in track forecast error truly be attributed to QuikSCAT? Where did these numbers come from, and why was no uncertainty being attached to them?

Since QuikSCAT data became available, starting in 1999, average track errors for 48-hour and 72-hour forecasts have been reduced by 43 miles and 62 miles respectively. Fully one quarter of this improvement was being attributed by Proenza to QuikSCAT. This was an extraordinary performance increase to attribute to one satellite, and seemed doubtful.

We find out where the QuikSCAT numbers came from
In mid-June, Margie Kieper and I asked Proenza to comment on how he got his QuikSCAT numbers. He cited an unpublished study, "A Two Season Impact Study of Four Satellite Data Types and Rawinsonde Data in the NCEP Global Data Assimilation System", by Tom H. Zapotocny, James A. Jung, John F. LeMarshall and Russ E. Treadon. I contacted one of the authors, who informed me that the study was submitted for publication on January 26, 2007, and accepted for publication in the journal Weather and Forecasting on May 23, 2007. It will probably appear in the October-November time frame, according to the publisher. This raises an immediate problem, since only a privileged few are able to read unpublished research. This limits the possibilities for an informed debate on the issue, and basing important policy decisions on unpublished research is thus normally to be avoided. However, making accurate hurricane forecasts is important enough that such considerations can be excused. Proenza didn't give me any details on the study, other than the fact that QuikSCAT data improved 72-hour and 48-hour hurricane track forecasts by 16% and 10% respectively, for a select group of storms from the 2003 hurricane season. One of the authors graciously sent me a copy of the study, though, and after reading it, I had these observations:

1). The study looked at a very limited number of cases over a six-week period during 2003--only 19 cases were available for 72 hour forecasts. The 19 cases were not 19 storms, just 19 separate forecasts from the 4 hurricanes and 2 tropical storms that occurred during the 6-week study period. This sample is too small to draw definitive conclusions about the impact of the QuikSCAT on tropical cyclone forecasts. The two longest-lived storms during the test period were Fabian and Isabel, storms that spent the majority of their lifetimes far away from land. Since the quality of the observing network increases close to land, particulary when reconnaissance data from the Hurricane Hunters is available, it is reasonable to conclude that the impact of the QuikSCAT data for storms within 72 hours of landfall would be less than for the sample as a whole. The study was not primarily designed to study tropical cyclone track accuracy, so there was no separation out of the cases we really care about--storms 72 hours or less from landfall.

2). The study was done with only one model, the GFS. NHC official forecasts make use of several models, including the GFDL, UKMET, NOGAPS and ECMWF. Consequently, a change in the accuracy of a single model will have only a partial effect on NHC official forecast accuracy. As far as I know, there have not been studies done of the impact of QuikSCAT on tropical cyclone forecasts in the GFDL, UKMET or the ECMWF models. Past studies on the impact of dropsonde data from the Hurricane Hunters, however, show that the GFDL is less sensitive to these data than the GFS is.

3). When I attended the AMS hurricane conference in May 2006 in Monterey, I came across a poster presentation by Dr. Jim Goerss that evaluated the impact of QuikSCAT on the NOGAPS model. His study was far more comprehensive, and included 12 hurricanes, 5 typhoons, and 7 tropical storms from a 6-week period in 2004. The number of cases was 212 at 72 hours, eleven times as many as the study Proenza cites. Dr. Goerss found that QuikSCAT probably improved 24-hour track forecasts by 2.5% (90% confidence of this), but at all other forecast times (48, 72, 96, and 120 hours), QuikSCAT had no statistically significant effect (i.e., zero effect).

It is hard to compare the results from these two studies, since they used two different data assimilation systems. We do not know if they used all the data, or how they treated the vertical impact of the data. The uncertainties are high, and Proenza's simple statement that QuikSCAT data improves hurricane tracks forecasts by 10% and 16% is unreasonable, without at least making mention that these numbers are highly uncertain.

I believe that NHC official forecasts for landfalling storms in the Atlantic would not be significantly affected by the loss of the QuikSCAT satellite. I can't think of a hurricane scientist out there who would defend using a study with only 19 cases that didn't focus on landfalling storms, to make the case Proenza is making--particularly in light of the data from the unpublished Goerss study showing no effect of QuikSCAT data on NOGAPS model tropical cyclone track errors. Proenza should have at least attached some measure of uncertainty to his numbers, which he did not.

One could argue that the study cited by Proenza has undergone peer review, and is thus the only scientific study one can use to make arguments on QuikSCAT's effectiveness. The Goerss study has not been published in a journal, and has not undergone peer review. However, Proenza was making his QuikSCAT accuracy arguments in March, two months before the Zapotocny study he cited had been accepted for publication.

QuikSCAT misconceptions
The numbers pushed by Proenza have led to some potentially serious misconceptions about QuikSCAT. The Congressional Record has this to say about QuikSCAT:

"A single plane gathering data is like a tiny fishing line collecting data only along the single strand of the line. The satellite, on the other hand, provides rich, detailed data horizontally from one side of the storm to the other side, and vertically, from the ocean surface to the top of the storms swirling winds. The QuikSCAT is like a detailed MRI."

Well, QuikSCAT is not like an MRI, it just measures the ocean surface winds. In a letter written by Representatives Melancon and Klein in support of H.R. 2531, there are comments that data from the reconnaissance aircraft are inferior to the data from the QuikSCAT:

"Short-term options for replacing QuikSCAT include hurricane hunter aircraft, buoys, and foreign satellites--all of which will collectively produce inferior data."

There is not a hurricane forecaster anywhere that would trade hurricane hunter data for QuikSCAT. Lawmakers may start cutting aircraft reconnaissance with misconceptions like this. That would be a disaster.

I would hate to lose the QuikSCAT satellite, and have been calling for a replacement since before Mr. Proenza came on the job. QuickSCAT data is invaluable in identifying weak systems and in defining storm structure, particularly of outer wind radii of 34 knots and 50 knots. This is particularly true outside of the Atlantic, where there are no Hurricane Hunter flights, and in the Atlantic beyond where the Hurricane Hunters can reach. Track forecasts for tropical cyclones in the Pacific and Indian Oceans may benefit from QuikSCAT data, since Hurricane Hunter information is not available. QuikSCAT also helps identify when a tropical depression or tropical storm is intensifying.

Besides hurricanes, the QuickSCAT data is invaluable to the Ocean Prediction Center, which now issues hurricane force wind warnings for extratropical storms in the Atlantic and Pacific. Search and rescue missions, and the U.S. Navy also greatly benefit from QuikSCAT. QuikSCAT should be replaced, but not due to a rush knee-jerk reaction that will get us a replacement with old technology. NHC needs a "next-generation" scatterometer, one that has greatly improved capabilities to help tackle the structure and intensity problem. We should take our time, and deal with a gap in coverage, if it gets us an instrument that has higher resolution, higher saturation speed, and is not adversely affected by rain. Such a gap would not put the public at risk.

It greatly troubles me that the most visible and admired member of my profession has failed to use good science in his arguments for funding a replacement of the QuikSCAT satellite. The Director of the National Hurricane Center needs to be an able politician and good communicator, but being truthful with the science is a fundamental requirement of the job as well. Mr. Proenza has misrepresented the science on the QuikSCAT issue, and no longer has my support as director of the National Hurricane Center.

Other critical concerns--lost in the hubbub?
We strongly support many of the valid concerns Proenza has raised. Of particular concern are the slashing of critical research funding for the Joint Hurricane Testbed (JHT) from $1.7 million to $1 million, and the lack of adequate yearly increases to the National Hurricane Center budget. Both of these important concerns still remain to be addressed; they were quickly overshadowed by a frantic campaign by lawmakers to fund a new QuikSCAT satellite. The JHT provides the means for promising research to be tested in the NHC operational environment, usually resulting in a successful transition to an operational product at NHC. This program has been extremely successful, and its budget should have been increased, not slashed. As hurricane activity has increased dramatically over the last twelve years, NHC's budget should have increased accordingly, but it did not.

Proenza also raised legitimate concerns about NOAA's effort to promote their "Corporate Identity" by renaming the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service. The new organizations would be called the "NOAA Hurricane Center" and the "NOAA Weather Service". He also justly complained about NOAA's plan to spend between $1.5 million and $4 million on a "bogus" 200-year NOAA anniversary celebration.

While wanting to take a neutral stand as to whether to call for Proenza's dismissal, Senior NHC Hurricane Specialist Lixion Avila clearly shares the concerns that have been put forth by the other senior forecasters Richard Pasch, James Franklin, and Richard Knabb, and former director Max Mayfield. Avila noted, "If I [was] the director of the hurricane center, I would not spend my time fighting for QuikSCAT--I would be fighting to make sure that the reconnaissance planes are always there." That leaves a vacationing Jack Beven as the only senior hurricane forecaster to not comment publicly on the issue. Max Mayfield has refrained from making public comments on the deteriorating situation these past months, but all of his comments in the Miami Herald article lend support for the hurricane forecast staff. Given his previous experience in the position of NHC Director and his successful tenure, his feedback counts tremendously.

With the busiest part of hurricane season just a few weeks away, expect a decision on Bill Proenza's tenure to be made soon.

Jeff Masters and Margie Kieper

Having lost the support of most of his senior forecasters, and having misrepresented the science on the importance of the QuikSCAT satellite on hurricane forecasts, it would be best for Mr. Proenza to step down as director of the National Hurricane Center.

--Jeff Masters

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1951. K8eCane 8:01 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
thought trough had already swung up and away and left it there
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1952. CFLSW 8:03 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Shear there is only 15 to 20 knt
1953. K8eCane 8:06 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
input sullivan?
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1954. stormybil 8:07 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
is that 96l again looking good at 4am what ya think
1955. RL3AO 8:08 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
The low is still over central Florida.

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1956. CFLSW 8:09 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
LoL 96L just will not DIE.
1957. KoritheMan 8:09 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
stormybil, I don't mean to be rude, but no offense, it's the diurnal max that is enhancing its convection... I have yet to see 96L's convection persist into the daytime, and UNTIL it does, NHC won't classify it, won't run models on it (they stopped that already, I think), nothing...

Now, if the LLC gets into the Carribean Sea intact, watch out...
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1958. RL3AO 8:11 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
96L is dead unless something funky happens once it hits the Caribbean.
1959. KoritheMan 8:12 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
RL3AO, you are right. I'm not even concerned with it unless its LLC makes into the Carribean intact. That would be days away.
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1960. CFLSW 8:12 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
NHC may not do or say anything about it untill it gets to the Carb. but it is funny just to keep watching the engine that could LoL.
It seems like it has a will to live and just will not give up. Its going to the Carribean
or bust. LoL
1961. RL3AO 8:14 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Tuesday and Wednesday morning, it at least had enough convection to get it to midday before it all died...the convection today might last until 9am...maybe.
1962. stormybil 8:16 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
stormybil, I don't mean to be rude, but no offense

none taken i ust saw the big yellow ball and it looked like storms were trying to wrap around . if i may say its happen many times before when eveything stoped liked models and disscisions at nhc about a system and they reformed and everyone scratches thier head hehe thanks hey did bill really get fired who will take his place ?
1963. RL3AO 8:17 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
That blowup isn't even close to the low. It is about 3 degrees south of it.
1964. C2News 8:18 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Why are they all against Bill Proenza? Why? He has never done anything wrong to them, and if he did, it was for the good
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1965. RL3AO 8:20 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Thats politics C2.
1966. K8eCane 8:25 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
pretty good flare-up
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1967. K8eCane 8:26 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
in fact a darn good nocturnal flare up
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1968. sullivanweather 8:26 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
K8ecane, the trough that's moving off the coast as we speak.

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1969. stormybil 8:27 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
imo opnion he bill p didnt sound or look like someone that can warn people from the heart . like max and the others did you can see it in thier eyes when they talk hurricane season so he just didnt have it for me . who is replacing him anyone know yet
1970. K8eCane 8:28 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
really good flare up
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1971. K8eCane 8:29 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
troughs can do funny things huh?
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1972. sullivanweather 8:42 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Looks like something might be trying to get it's act together southwest of Baja in the East Pacific
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1974. K8eCane 9:08 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
whats your real grudge man?
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1975. RL3AO 9:08 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
But WU is a privately-run site and not a public entity.
1976. CFLSW 9:13 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
How doese the WU Leach off of the NHC budget?
Is this site (theweatherunderground) funded with my tax dollars in some way? please explain yourself BocaReader. Please back your statement up with proof and facts.
1977. CFLSW 9:15 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Even if this site recives Govt. Grants in any way it doese not come from the NHC Budget.
1978. K8eCane 9:18 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
well really and truly we are on dr masters blog, even if we dont agree with him
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1979. CFLSW 9:23 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Further more I really do not like the fact that someone would come on here and slam the Doc.
It's his dam blog to say what ever the hell he wants. If its hurricane Info. you want just keep checking the NHC Site for info. and stay out of here. then you will not have to worry about what the good Doctor says.
1980. CFLSW 9:30 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
And one last thing it is only the 6th of July.
Did someone forget what the 4th was all about?
1981. C2News 9:34 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Even though Dr. Masters can do what he wants, I would like to know why he told the Miami Herald, Bill Proenza should resign. Flat out. No reason. I wish he would explain his reasoning.
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1982. KoritheMan 9:40 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
And one last thing it is only the 6th of July.

By saying this, do you mean that hurricane season is normally inactive right now? If not, what are you saying?
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1983. KoritheMan 9:41 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
And yeah I know what 4th is about, I was just sick for it. >_>
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1984. sullivanweather 9:42 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
It's getting harder and harder to run a blog these days....sheesh
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1985. K8eCane 9:43 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
read his post from yesterday
pretty good reasoning imo
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1986. CFLSW 9:44 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
I think his reason is in his post.
He may also feel the Director should be worried about more important things like the cutting of $700,000 from the hurricane research budget and the fact that Bill P. stated some things as fact that where not. Such as what the Sat. (QS) actually doese and that the recon flights are not the most accurate systems and ect. To be honest after finding out the facts about all this I am pissed off at Bill P. for missleading me into thnking we have to have that dam sat.
He went before congress with bogas info. and he knew it. Whats up with that. Is he going to get a kick back from the company that builds the Quick Scat if he can get funding for a new one?
His job is all political. They are all doing it why not him? Is that not something to think about? Why is he pushing or pushed so hard for the sat. when we need many other things? and no money for anything with this dam war going on.
1987. CFLSW 9:46 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
4th freedom of speach. Can say anything he wants in his blog.
1988. sullivanweather 9:48 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
The reason why Masters weighs in on these issues is because he is in the field, and in the field long enough to have a respected opinion.

If you're looking for hurricane information, the menu on the top of the screen there's a link for Tropical/Hurricane, you can find anything you want there. If perhaps you're looking for some insight from Masters, look through the archives. Masters gives consistant updates that are in depth which you might find informative.

Furthermore, if you have a difference of opinion try being less vulgar. I disagree with Masters on occasion, but I do not tell him where to go and how to get there. Lighten up, will ya.
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1989. stoormfury 10:02 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
96L although not a threat ,it is still mentaining a vigorous low ,this system should bring wet and blustery conditions to the southern windwards during aunday. what is of more concern ic when it gets in the caribbean,where environmental conditions might be more favourable
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1990. C2News 10:02 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
I honestly doubt congress would try to get a new quickscat if they didn't do their own research.
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1991. K8eCane 10:09 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
thats a pretty concentrated area of showers by Florida
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1992. CFLSW 10:10 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Congress do research? LoL thats funny.
They did a lot of research before we went into Iraq didn't they? They read the bills also don't they? LoL I am not trying to be a jerk but it is a fact from there mouths they do not read the bills they vote on, nor the 911 commision report or anything for that matter.
Party all the time party all the time.
That what I think they do. They all are on drugs
and are to blind drunk to read.
1993. K8eCane 10:11 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
been waiting a few hours for it to disipste somewhat ( been up a while with sciatica and a pain pill)
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1994. C2News 10:12 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
cflsw- liberal or conservative?
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1995. CFLSW 10:13 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
In the middle. Nor Dem Nor Rep.
1996. Altestic87 10:15 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
96L once again blows up during the diurnal max, and goes poof during the diurnal min.
1997. K8eCane 10:16 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
96L is out by the windwards?
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1998. K8eCane 10:17 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
is the florida blob an invest?
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1999. stoormfury 10:19 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
yes 11n 52w is east of the s winwards
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2000. pottery2 10:20 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
Hey Bocareader.
Good Morning to you
The Admin Notice at the bottom of this page refers to you.
Especialy the part that says "When using Dr.Masters blogg,please refrain from posting."
You dont need to read any further than that.
2001. CFLSW 10:20 AM GMT on July 06, 2007    
"Shrug"
NHC has floater on it. Floater say Invest.
What ever that worth.

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