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Challenging Bill Proenza's QuikSCAT numbers
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:04 PM GMT on July 04, 2007 +4
A political storm engulfed the National Hurricane Center this week, with a majority of the senior hurricane forecasters calling for Bill Proenza's removal as director. The most visible issue revolved around the extraordinary focus on the aging QuikSCAT satellite. The public argument put forth by Mr. Proenza was that QuikSCAT data was so vital to hurricane track forecasting that without it, track forecast errors would increase significantly, leading to larger warning areas and increased costs for evacuation and emergency planning.

Focus on QuikSCAT--out of proportion?
On March 16th Proenza went public with the QuikSCAT concerns and associated statistics for the first time, stating that "two- and three-day forecasts of a storm's path would be affected. The two-day forecast could be 10 percent worse while the three-day one could be affected up to 16 percent," with the conclusion," that would mean longer stretches of coastline would have to be placed under warnings, and more people than necessary would have to evacuate." As a result of these comments, a perception arose in the public and among lawmakers that without QuikSCAT, NHC would not be able to provide accurate hurricane forecasts. Legislation was hastily introduced into both the House and Senate to provide an immediate replacement for the $375 million satellite.

Proenza's statements raised several questions: 1) Why the focus on track forecast errors in landfalling situations, when QuikSCAT was widely known to be used in intensity forecasting and for tropical cyclones too far at sea to be accessed by the Hurricane Hunters? 2) Could such specific and significant gains in track forecast error truly be attributed to QuikSCAT? Where did these numbers come from, and why was no uncertainty being attached to them?

Since QuikSCAT data became available, starting in 1999, average track errors for 48-hour and 72-hour forecasts have been reduced by 43 miles and 62 miles respectively. Fully one quarter of this improvement was being attributed by Proenza to QuikSCAT. This was an extraordinary performance increase to attribute to one satellite, and seemed doubtful.

We find out where the QuikSCAT numbers came from
In mid-June, Margie Kieper and I asked Proenza to comment on how he got his QuikSCAT numbers. He cited an unpublished study, "A Two Season Impact Study of Four Satellite Data Types and Rawinsonde Data in the NCEP Global Data Assimilation System", by Tom H. Zapotocny, James A. Jung, John F. LeMarshall and Russ E. Treadon. I contacted one of the authors, who informed me that the study was submitted for publication on January 26, 2007, and accepted for publication in the journal Weather and Forecasting on May 23, 2007. It will probably appear in the October-November time frame, according to the publisher. This raises an immediate problem, since only a privileged few are able to read unpublished research. This limits the possibilities for an informed debate on the issue, and basing important policy decisions on unpublished research is thus normally to be avoided. However, making accurate hurricane forecasts is important enough that such considerations can be excused. Proenza didn't give me any details on the study, other than the fact that QuikSCAT data improved 72-hour and 48-hour hurricane track forecasts by 16% and 10% respectively, for a select group of storms from the 2003 hurricane season. One of the authors graciously sent me a copy of the study, though, and after reading it, I had these observations:

1). The study looked at a very limited number of cases over a six-week period during 2003--only 19 cases were available for 72 hour forecasts. The 19 cases were not 19 storms, just 19 separate forecasts from the 4 hurricanes and 2 tropical storms that occurred during the 6-week study period. This sample is too small to draw definitive conclusions about the impact of the QuikSCAT on tropical cyclone forecasts. The two longest-lived storms during the test period were Fabian and Isabel, storms that spent the majority of their lifetimes far away from land. Since the quality of the observing network increases close to land, particulary when reconnaissance data from the Hurricane Hunters is available, it is reasonable to conclude that the impact of the QuikSCAT data for storms within 72 hours of landfall would be less than for the sample as a whole. The study was not primarily designed to study tropical cyclone track accuracy, so there was no separation out of the cases we really care about--storms 72 hours or less from landfall.

2). The study was done with only one model, the GFS. NHC official forecasts make use of several models, including the GFDL, UKMET, NOGAPS and ECMWF. Consequently, a change in the accuracy of a single model will have only a partial effect on NHC official forecast accuracy. As far as I know, there have not been studies done of the impact of QuikSCAT on tropical cyclone forecasts in the GFDL, UKMET or the ECMWF models. Past studies on the impact of dropsonde data from the Hurricane Hunters, however, show that the GFDL is less sensitive to these data than the GFS is.

3). When I attended the AMS hurricane conference in May 2006 in Monterey, I came across a poster presentation by Dr. Jim Goerss that evaluated the impact of QuikSCAT on the NOGAPS model. His study was far more comprehensive, and included 12 hurricanes, 5 typhoons, and 7 tropical storms from a 6-week period in 2004. The number of cases was 212 at 72 hours, eleven times as many as the study Proenza cites. Dr. Goerss found that QuikSCAT probably improved 24-hour track forecasts by 2.5% (90% confidence of this), but at all other forecast times (48, 72, 96, and 120 hours), QuikSCAT had no statistically significant effect (i.e., zero effect).

It is hard to compare the results from these two studies, since they used two different data assimilation systems. We do not know if they used all the data, or how they treated the vertical impact of the data. The uncertainties are high, and Proenza's simple statement that QuikSCAT data improves hurricane tracks forecasts by 10% and 16% is unreasonable, without at least making mention that these numbers are highly uncertain.

I believe that NHC official forecasts for landfalling storms in the Atlantic would not be significantly affected by the loss of the QuikSCAT satellite. I can't think of a hurricane scientist out there who would defend using a study with only 19 cases that didn't focus on landfalling storms, to make the case Proenza is making--particularly in light of the data from the unpublished Goerss study showing no effect of QuikSCAT data on NOGAPS model tropical cyclone track errors. Proenza should have at least attached some measure of uncertainty to his numbers, which he did not.

One could argue that the study cited by Proenza has undergone peer review, and is thus the only scientific study one can use to make arguments on QuikSCAT's effectiveness. The Goerss study has not been published in a journal, and has not undergone peer review. However, Proenza was making his QuikSCAT accuracy arguments in March, two months before the Zapotocny study he cited had been accepted for publication.

QuikSCAT misconceptions
The numbers pushed by Proenza have led to some potentially serious misconceptions about QuikSCAT. The Congressional Record has this to say about QuikSCAT:

"A single plane gathering data is like a tiny fishing line collecting data only along the single strand of the line. The satellite, on the other hand, provides rich, detailed data horizontally from one side of the storm to the other side, and vertically, from the ocean surface to the top of the storms swirling winds. The QuikSCAT is like a detailed MRI."

Well, QuikSCAT is not like an MRI, it just measures the ocean surface winds. In a letter written by Representatives Melancon and Klein in support of H.R. 2531, there are comments that data from the reconnaissance aircraft are inferior to the data from the QuikSCAT:

"Short-term options for replacing QuikSCAT include hurricane hunter aircraft, buoys, and foreign satellites--all of which will collectively produce inferior data."

There is not a hurricane forecaster anywhere that would trade hurricane hunter data for QuikSCAT. Lawmakers may start cutting aircraft reconnaissance with misconceptions like this. That would be a disaster.

I would hate to lose the QuikSCAT satellite, and have been calling for a replacement since before Mr. Proenza came on the job. QuickSCAT data is invaluable in identifying weak systems and in defining storm structure, particularly of outer wind radii of 34 knots and 50 knots. This is particularly true outside of the Atlantic, where there are no Hurricane Hunter flights, and in the Atlantic beyond where the Hurricane Hunters can reach. Track forecasts for tropical cyclones in the Pacific and Indian Oceans may benefit from QuikSCAT data, since Hurricane Hunter information is not available. QuikSCAT also helps identify when a tropical depression or tropical storm is intensifying.

Besides hurricanes, the QuickSCAT data is invaluable to the Ocean Prediction Center, which now issues hurricane force wind warnings for extratropical storms in the Atlantic and Pacific. Search and rescue missions, and the U.S. Navy also greatly benefit from QuikSCAT. QuikSCAT should be replaced, but not due to a rush knee-jerk reaction that will get us a replacement with old technology. NHC needs a "next-generation" scatterometer, one that has greatly improved capabilities to help tackle the structure and intensity problem. We should take our time, and deal with a gap in coverage, if it gets us an instrument that has higher resolution, higher saturation speed, and is not adversely affected by rain. Such a gap would not put the public at risk.

It greatly troubles me that the most visible and admired member of my profession has failed to use good science in his arguments for funding a replacement of the QuikSCAT satellite. The Director of the National Hurricane Center needs to be an able politician and good communicator, but being truthful with the science is a fundamental requirement of the job as well. Mr. Proenza has misrepresented the science on the QuikSCAT issue, and no longer has my support as director of the National Hurricane Center.

Other critical concerns--lost in the hubbub?
We strongly support many of the valid concerns Proenza has raised. Of particular concern are the slashing of critical research funding for the Joint Hurricane Testbed (JHT) from $1.7 million to $1 million, and the lack of adequate yearly increases to the National Hurricane Center budget. Both of these important concerns still remain to be addressed; they were quickly overshadowed by a frantic campaign by lawmakers to fund a new QuikSCAT satellite. The JHT provides the means for promising research to be tested in the NHC operational environment, usually resulting in a successful transition to an operational product at NHC. This program has been extremely successful, and its budget should have been increased, not slashed. As hurricane activity has increased dramatically over the last twelve years, NHC's budget should have increased accordingly, but it did not.

Proenza also raised legitimate concerns about NOAA's effort to promote their "Corporate Identity" by renaming the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service. The new organizations would be called the "NOAA Hurricane Center" and the "NOAA Weather Service". He also justly complained about NOAA's plan to spend between $1.5 million and $4 million on a "bogus" 200-year NOAA anniversary celebration.

While wanting to take a neutral stand as to whether to call for Proenza's dismissal, Senior NHC Hurricane Specialist Lixion Avila clearly shares the concerns that have been put forth by the other senior forecasters Richard Pasch, James Franklin, and Richard Knabb, and former director Max Mayfield. Avila noted, "If I [was] the director of the hurricane center, I would not spend my time fighting for QuikSCAT--I would be fighting to make sure that the reconnaissance planes are always there." That leaves a vacationing Jack Beven as the only senior hurricane forecaster to not comment publicly on the issue. Max Mayfield has refrained from making public comments on the deteriorating situation these past months, but all of his comments in the Miami Herald article lend support for the hurricane forecast staff. Given his previous experience in the position of NHC Director and his successful tenure, his feedback counts tremendously.

With the busiest part of hurricane season just a few weeks away, expect a decision on Bill Proenza's tenure to be made soon.

Jeff Masters and Margie Kieper

Having lost the support of most of his senior forecasters, and having misrepresented the science on the importance of the QuikSCAT satellite on hurricane forecasts, it would be best for Mr. Proenza to step down as director of the National Hurricane Center.

--Jeff Masters

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251. JLPR 8:17 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
it looks terrible
it may have tthe circulation and the winds but no convection and the dry air seems to be killing it

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252. plywoodstatenative 8:18 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
got a cell with a mesocyclone heading this way, flood advisory up for northern broward and heavy lightning as I speak. Anyone got a canoe?
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253. Drakoen 8:17 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
1-2 hours away from nighttime.
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254. NorthxCakalaky 8:19 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Well, any way there is a outbreak of watch boxes to cover.Maby its hard for them today.I will admit some days they are *****.
255. NorthxCakalaky 8:21 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Statement as of 4:16 PM EDT on July 04, 2007


The National Weather Service in Sterling Virginia has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
Montgomery County in central Maryland

* until 445 PM EDT

* at 412 PM EDT... National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated a
severe thunderstorm with strong rotation near Damascus... moving
southeast at 20 mph.

* Locations impacted include...
Laytonsville...
Brookeville...

If you are near the path of this storm... take cover now! If no
underground shelter is available move to an interior room on the
lowest floor. Mobile homes and vehicles should be abandoned for more
substantial shelter. Avoid windows!

A Tornado Watch remains in effect until 1000 PM EDT Wednesday evening
for central District of Columbia.

Lat... Lon 3932 7723 3926 7724 3921 7721 3914 7704
3921 7702
256. stormybil 8:21 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
how long will this dry air be around this season
258. NorthxCakalaky 8:22 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Sorry for the use of stars.
259. Drakoen 8:22 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
the NAM is not good for tropical cyclogenesis.
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260. CJ5 8:24 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Nightfall will tell the tale. Either nighttime convection or the dry air from the N will win. Dry air has certainly won the day.
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261. weathermanwannabe 8:22 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
IvanS....Assumng that 96L is not going to "make it" to TD/TS status, I agree and would think that the next organized system will probably form in the gulf...However, location of formation, in terms of loop current/eddy location, will be a key factor on the intensifiction possibilities (and sheer values)...All other factors (temps/moisture/low pressure potential)are present in the GOM..
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262. chessrascal 8:24 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
I think that 92l is starting to get its circulation together. It just needs to get more convection. It has nice outflow.
263. weathermanwannabe 8:24 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Hellow All...
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265. Altestic87 8:25 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
It looks like Epsilon just without the convection

That's really all it needs to become a TD
266. moonlightcowboy 8:26 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
96L is gaining some steam it looks like. More banding and desparately trying to pull convection. It's moving like it has a purpose, so w/d.max starting, it's my guess we'll see a new perspective. It still may make a storm. It's made its break from the Itcz, but (I think it was Ike, maybe) said, it need to stay south of 12N for a while westward I think.

...still something to watch IMVHO.


Posted By: stormybil at 8:21 PM GMT on July 04, 2007. (hide)
how long will this dry air be around this season


Bill, there was a post earlier, that indicated that if there is dust earlier in the season, that it is absent later in the season...which I gather means that dust won't be as much a factor later in the Verde season. I'll see if I can go back and find it for you.
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267. Tazmanian 8:26 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
its call 96L
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269. nash28 8:27 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
96L is history.

Say goodbye. Time to pull out the grill. Nothing worth discussing in the tropics today. Go enjoy the day with your famillies now. No point in sitting here:-)
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270. NorthxCakalaky 8:27 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Posted By: hurricanehunter93 at 8:24 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

Hi everyone Im new here


Wellcome. Im new too and alot of the others.
273. Drakoen 8:28 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Posted By: hurricanehunter93 at 8:24 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

Hi everyone Im new here


welcome!
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275. NorthxCakalaky 8:28 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
.That last tornadow warning I posted just reported a funnel.Statement as of 4:24 PM EDT on July 04, 2007


... A Tornado Warning remains in effect until 445 PM EDT for
Montgomery County...

At 420 PM EDT... trained weather spotters reported a funnel cloud.
This tornado was located 3 miles southeast of Damascus... moving
southeast at 20 mph.

A Tornado Watch remains in effect until 1000 PM EDT Wednesday evening
for central District of Columbia.
276. weathermanwannabe 8:28 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Nash, I did the grill thing with the family earlier (before the rain) and am just checking in before a nap...
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277. Drakoen 8:30 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Posted By: hurricanehunter93 at 8:28 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

Is 96L going to Develop


at this point no.It has a chance at dinural max when it will get some moisture but this system tends to not hold the moisture in throughout the day and the end product is an exposed COC.
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278. Altestic87 8:30 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Yes nash but weren't people saying that about Tropical Depression Ten in 2005?
280. Tazmanian 8:31 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
no it not 28


96L has a ch
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281. Drakoen 8:32 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Posted By: hurricanehunter93 at 8:30 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

How much longer does it have


till what?
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283. Altestic87 8:32 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
he means the diurnal max.
284. JLPR 8:32 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
It will need a very big boom of convection to get going will see tonight.
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285. Altestic87 8:33 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
I don't think it's that close to death, hurricanehunter93.
286. WPBHurricane05 8:34 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Come on guys, we know that dry air is killing the system. Nothing is going on in the tropics, go out and enjoy the 4th!!
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287. Drakoen 8:34 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
to live. hmmm that just depends the model trend would suggest that the actually low pressure center will last 120 hours.
I would say it 1-3 hours untill dinural max leaning towards the 2 hours mark more.
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288. Drakoen 8:35 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Posted By: WPBHurricane05 at 8:34 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

Come on guys, we know that dry air is killing the system. Nothing is going on in the tropics, go out and enjoy the 4th!!


LOL. yea.
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289. Altestic87 8:36 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
whats there to enjoy?? Personal fireworks is banned here except at safe areas, and the nearest one is over 15 miles away.
290. weathermanwannabe 8:36 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Have to give it credit though...It is really trying to hang on but per the NHC discussion (which mentions some shear ahead), there appears to be a small window of opportunity for any significant intensification (this question will probably be answered by tommorow am).........
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291. Drakoen 8:36 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
my family doesn't have any plans for the 4th of july whatsoever so i ahve ntohing to do.
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292. NorthxCakalaky 8:37 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Posted By: Drakoen at 8:35 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

Posted By: WPBHurricane05 at 8:34 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.

Come on guys, we know that dry air is killing the system. Nothing is going on in the tropics, go out and enjoy the 4th!!

LOL. yea.

Im not celebrating because my grandma is in the hospital 2 counties away.My family is there and every where else.I just got back.
293. PensacolaBuoy 8:38 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
What did TD10 in 2005 become? I don't think that got a name, did it?
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295. sporteguy03 8:39 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Trropical Dust
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296. NorthxCakalaky 8:39 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
ill still let some fire works
297. JupiterFL 8:40 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
TD 10=TD 12= Katrina
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299. delstonejr 8:43 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Excellent evaluation of the turmoil at NHC! Thanks for the insights.
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300. NorthxCakalaky 8:43 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Link

Watch out if you live in Balt-I-More
301. Thundercloud01221991 8:44 PM GMT on July 04, 2007    
Posted By: JFLORIDA at 8:41 PM GMT on July 04, 2007.
There is a wide variation in the Water tems in the area of 96L It will probably do better if it simply encounters a warmer area.


Take a look at the pressure tendencies FALLING
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