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Restoring confidence in NHC
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:24 PM GMT on July 11, 2007 +2
There are no threat areas in the tropical Atlantic to discuss, and none of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm formation over the coming week. In the Pacific, an exceptionally large Category 4 typhoon, Man-Yi, will pass close to Okinawa on Friday, and hit Japan on Saturday. Winds at Okinawa have been as high as 50 mph with gusts to 70 mph.

Some links on Man-Yi, sent to me by Jim Edds:

Live camera feed from Southern Okinawa:

click on the pic arrow on the bottom right.

Okinawa radar.
click on Okinawa to zoom in - awesome shot

Camera feed with some audio.
click on the first "no image" box then select "report 17/66"


Latest satellite image of Typhoon Man-Yi, courtesy of NOAA.

Restoring confidence in the NHC
Interim National Hurricane Director Dr. Ed Rappaport has two immediate tasks--restoring morale fractured by Bill Proenza's turbulent 6-month tenure, and restoring public confidence in the Hurricane Center's ability to do their job. With the steadying influence of Dr. Rappaport, a highly respected and talented hurricane scientist, I expect that the staff of NHC will put out their best hurricane forecasts ever this season. Aiding in this endeavor will be the availability of a new hurricane tracking, intensity, and storm surge model called the HWRF--Hurricane Weather and Research Forecast Model. In addition, several of the other reliable models used by the forecasters, such as the GFS and GFDL, have had upgrades since last hurricane season. Furthermore, the Air Force Hurricane Hunters will be carrying the SFMR instrument for the first time, which can measure winds speeds at the ocean surface everywhere the aircraft fly.

Forecasters at the National Hurricane Center made their best track forecasts ever for storms in the Atlantic in 2006. The mean track errors for 12 to 72 hour forecasts were 15% - 20% lower than during 2001-2005. Track errors for Atlantic storms have improved about 50% in the past 15 years (Figure 1), a remarkable achievement that has undoubtedly saved lives and hundreds of millions of dollars. The track error in 2006 for a 24 hour forecast was 58 miles; 112 miles for a 48 hour forecast; and 171 miles for a 72 hour forecast. Track errors for 96 and 120 hour forecasts were 236 miles and 305 miles--the second best on record (2003 set the record). NHC's long-range 120 hour forecasts had a significant bias to the west of 94 miles--about double the bias of what the computer models were forecasting. Thus, when the models correctly called for systems to recurve out to sea, NHC human forecasters tended to resist following what the models were saying.



Figure 1. Track forecast skill since 1990 in the Atlantic for the official NHC forecasts. Track errors are given in nautical miles (100 n mi = 115 miles). Skill is rated compared to a "zero skill" forecast using NHC's CLIPER5 model. The CLIPER model (short for CLImatology and PERsistence) is a model that makes a forecast based on historical paths hurricane have taken, along with the fact that hurricanes tend to keep moving in the direction they are going (i.e., their current motion persists).

Intensity forecasts
Intensity forecasts since 1990 have shown little or no improvement, and 2006 was no exception (Figure 2). One encouraging result was the emergence of the GFDL's intensity model as the best intensity model for 2006. This is the first time that a non-statistical model has made the best intensity forecasts. With the major improvements that were added for the 2007 version of the GFDL, plus the availability of the HWRF model, I am hopeful that this year will see the first noticeable improvement in intensity forecasts since 1990.



Figure 2. Intensity forecast skill since 1990 of the official NHC Atlantic forecasts. Intensity errors are given in knots (10 knots = 11.5 mph).

Jeff Masters

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1. IKE 12:27 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Thanks for the update!
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2. IKE 12:29 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Dr. Masters...what about the system at 8N,33W? Shows some promise, plus the CMC/GFS models have picked up on it.
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4. eaglesrock 12:34 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Great blog as usual. I made a map of what I think are the greatest threat areas for hurricanes and tropical storms this year. Dark green is the lowest, while red is the highest.

threats
5. CycloneQld 12:36 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Only a Category 2 storm?

Dvorak readings are reporting wind speeds nearing 100kts and a central pressure of 947mb.

That would place it as a definate Cat 3 already (indeed the pressure readings are getting close to levels for Cat 4), and this is still intensifying very rapidly...
7. Rainman32 12:40 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
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9. CycloneQld 12:41 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
If Japan thought that Gozilla was big then they better watch out for this:

Man-Yi Eyewall


Man-Yi Dvorak Current


The beast in the Pacific is waking up...
10. Patrap 12:42 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Confidence Shaken..is not easily restored.

3 Directors..in 7 months. Seems more was amiss and is..at the NHC than was reported.And the whole affair was like watching grammar school kids sparring during recess.
We will do what we do every year down here. Watch the NHC and listen to the forecast. But to be sure. We always go to real time observations and make the assessment as to when to react locally. It all trickles down to local reaction. And the Gulf states and regional Emergency Managers all are scratching their heads this Weds morning,.Saying,..man that was a funny, weird week for NOAA and the NHC. And they go back to their local affairs.With that thought,..in the back of their minds. This as we lean into the season proper.
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11. sunshineandshowers 12:43 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
CyconeQld, where can i see dvorak numbers?
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12. CycloneQld 12:48 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
You can find it on this link;

04W Man-Yi Dvorak History File Listing: Link
13. CycloneQld 12:49 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Main Site for Dvorak Info: Link
14. sunshineandshowers 12:52 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
thanks for the links. Certainly a scary storm.
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15. nash28 1:02 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Morning all.
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16. therockhound 1:02 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Dr. M, please move on to weather related items. Leave the politics for the politicians and do what you do best and that is weather system discussions. I am getting real tired of you devoting so much of your discussions to the NHC, please move on, Thank you
17. hurricane23 1:03 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Good morning...

On the lastest ENSO update they indicate futher strengthing of la nina has slowed.

Personaly i expect neutral conditions during the peak months of activity.

Weakening Trade Winds in the western Pacific and a drop in the SOI, has stopped the recent strengthening of La Niña indicators. However, the eastern Pacific remains cooler than average and there has been a renewal of a cool sub-surface layer in the central Pacific, both of which provide the potential for a La Niña development.

The fact that all major international coupled models, including the POAMA model run daily at the Bureau of Meteorology, forecast further cooling of the equatorial Pacific Ocean over the coming months, indicates there is a distinct possibility of a La Niña event occurring in 2007. Cooler than average waters in the central to eastern Pacific, normally accompanied by positive SOI values, are usually associated with wetter than average seasons over eastern and northern Australia, even if La Niña thresholds are not reached.

More Here
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18. V26R 1:03 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Looks like the Blob off the Carolinas is holding its own, Only a threat to the Fish right now
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19. V26R 1:04 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Morning Adrian
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20. hurricane23 1:06 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Hey V26R whats up?

Have not seen you here for a while hopefully things are good.
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21. Tazmanian 1:07 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
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22. V26R 1:08 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Busy time of year for me, with my Job,
especially since its so hot and humid
up here Love the OT!!!
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23. hurricane23 1:10 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Watching this powerful typhoon in the pacific which may threaten japan in the next couple of days.

Large eye on microwave imagery.

nice
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24. CycloneQld 1:11 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Is anyone else here aware of any other storms that have dropped in pressure so much in such a short amount of time?

Man-Yi (according to Dvorak readings) dropped from 974mb to 948mb in just 3.5 hours.

The only other storm I can find that has a similar rapid drop is for TC Monica (again from Dvorak readings) when she fell from 908mb down to 876mb in a mere three hours.

For comparison Wilma dropped from 953mb to 934mb over a four hour period.

25. V26R 1:11 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Anyone have the link for MIMIC?
I don't have it on the computer
in the station Im in today
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26. nash28 1:13 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
It will most likely be a weak La Nina event for the meat of the tropical season. It typically takes a while for the affects to be felt.

With the MJO shifting into the ATL basin, we can expect an increase in activity.
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27. hurricane23 1:13 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Posted By: V26R at 9:08 AM EDT on July 11, 2007.

Busy time of year for me, with my Job,
especially since its so hot and humid
up here Love the OT!!!

I know how you feel it was 92-93 across miami yesterday and looks about the same for the rest of the week before a trof of low pressure brings us an increase in rain into the weekend.

Dont work to hard but OT is always a plus.
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28. CycloneQld 1:14 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
MIMIC: Link
29. hurricane23 1:14 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Posted By: V26R at 9:11 AM EDT on July 11, 2007.

Anyone have the link for MIMIC?
I don't have it on the computer
in the station Im in today

Here you go buddy.
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30. Patrap 1:16 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Man-yi, MIMIC Vmax 95 knts

Link
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31. cajunkid 1:16 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
WOW!! That thing is huge! Has to be, as big or bigger than Gilbert ayy?
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32. V26R 1:16 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
"I know how you feel it was 92-93 across miami yesterday and looks about the same for the rest of the week before a trof of low pressure brings us an increase in rain into the weekend.

Dont work to hard but OT is always a plus."


Its not so bad yesterday and today, We're on Storm Alert, had some Big Boomers move close
to us yesterday, but nothing panned out,
We're supposed to get a sharp cold front
move through today with Big Boomers
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33. nash28 1:16 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
00z CMC shows developing system approaching the Bahamas at 144hrs.
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34. V26R 1:18 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Thanks Pat
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35. V26R 1:18 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Thanks for the link Adrian
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36. V26R 1:19 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Thanks Cyclone
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37. Patrap 1:19 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Yvw V26R
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38. V26R 1:20 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Nash is it coming in from the Atlantic or gonna form there?
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39. Tazmanian 1:21 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    


CANBERRA (Reuters) - One of the largest giant squid ever found has washed up on a remote Australian beach, sparking a race against time by scientists to examine the rarely seen deep-ocean creature.

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The squid, the mantle or main body of which measured two-meters (6.5 feet) long, was found by a walker late on Tuesday on Ocean Beach, near Strahan, on the western coast of island state Tasmania.

"It's a whopper," Tasmanian Museum senior curator Genefor Walker-Smith told local media on Wednesday. "The main mantle is about one meter across and its total length is about eight meters."

Scientists would take samples from the creature, identified by state parks officials as an Architeuthis, which can grow to more than 10 meters (33 feet) in length and weigh more than 275 kilograms (606 pounds). The Tasmanian animal was 250 kg, Pemberton said.

The tentacles had been badly damaged, so the overall length of the animal could not be determined, a Tasmania Parks and Wildlife spokeswoman said. Park rangers had moved the remains from the water.

Giant squid, once believed to be mythical despite occasional sightings by mariners, feed on fish and other squid. Last year, fishermen off the Falkland Islands caught a complete animal measuring 8.62 meters.

Scientists believe giant squid usually live at ocean depths of between 200-700 meters (660-2,300 ft), relying in part on volleyball-sized eyes, the largest in the animal kingdom.
Scientists said giant squid gathered along Australia's continental shelf in cold mid-winter waters to feed on Grenadier fish. The squid were in turn hunted by sperm whales migrating north from the Southern Ocean.

Japanese ocean researchers captured the first ever pictures of a live giant squid in September 2004 off Japan's Ogasawara Islands at a depth of 900 meters

giant squid any one???


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40. nash28 1:22 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Looking at 850 Vort, it appears to be a wave from the ATL that develops near Bahamas.
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41. V26R 1:24 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Wow talk about a Calamari Dish!
Whos got the Red Sauce?
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42. nash28 1:27 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Will see if any of the other models begin to show development there as well.
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43. hurricane23 1:33 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Hey nash...

Thats the problem its 144hrs out and when you go out that far the skill level of the model begins to drop of.But overall your right lets see if others models pick up on something developing.
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44. newt3d 1:34 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
You'll need more than red sauce to cover up the terrible taste of that giant squid! They'll probably taste like Windex as they contain large amounts of ammonia to help with bouyancy.
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45. V26R 1:37 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
How accurate has the CMC modeling been?
Know that 144 hours is a LONG time
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46. nash28 1:40 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
I know 144hrs is a long time, but since there has been literally nothing shown for a while now, it is something to keep an eye on. We are entering a more favorable environment for development.
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47. hurricane23 1:40 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Posted By: V26R at 9:37 AM EDT on July 11, 2007.

How accurate has the CMC modeling been?
Know that 144 hours is a LONG time

Iam not expecting any development in the tropics through mid next week atleast as conditions are unfavorable for any significant development to take place.I think as we approach the end of july and into the early parts of august things could start to ramp up as it ususally does in a normal season.
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48. jamnkats 1:41 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Last night we watched two turtles lay eggs on our beach. The kids were overjoyed but I can't wait to see their faces when the babies hatch. It's been windy the last week but thankfully, no signs of anything yet. We're trying to decide whether or not to put our sliding glass door in before or after hurricane season...
49. V26R 1:47 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Just don't like it when they form near the
Bahamas, Those Bad Boys tend to run up the
coast, and we are Long Over Due up here
for a Blow
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50. catastropheadjuster 1:48 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Nash can u put up a link for the CMC? I would like to look at it. Thanks, Sheri
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51. nash28 1:49 PM GMT on July 11, 2007    
Here is the link to the 850MB Vort.

Link
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