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Tropical Depression Ten slowly intensifying
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:33 PM GMT on September 21, 2007 +0
Tropical Depression Ten has gradually been acquiring tropical characteristics today, and officially made the transition from a subtropical storm to a tropical storm at 2 pm. One could still argue that the storm is subtropical, since the satellite presentation still shows a large band of strong thunderstorms well removed from the center. However, TD 10 has developed some heavy thunderstorms right at its center, which is a key characteristic of a tropical system. This transition means that TD 10 is likely to intensify, and surface winds measured by the Hurricane Hunter aircraft have increased about 10% since this morning. An Air Force aircraft measured a 37 knot surface wind at 1:05 pm EDT, and a NOAA aircraft measured 38 knots at 1:35 pm EDT. It's a judgment call on NHC's part to decide when this slow increase in winds merits an upgrade of the system to Tropical Storm Jerry. The storm still has subtropical characteristics, and this will keep its intensification rate far slower than Hurricane Humberto's. I think a 50 mph tropical storm is the strongest we'll see TD 10 get.

Top surface winds measured at buoys in the Gulf of Mexico were all below 25 knots (29 mph) early this afternoon. Long range radar loops from the Florida Panhandle show a slow improvement in the organization of the low level spiral bands. Satellite loops show that heavy thunderstorm activity is rather limited but slowly increasing. Radar estimated precipitation over the Florida Panhandle (Figure 1) has been up to three inches.


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Tallahassee, Florida radar.

Elsewhere in the tropics
An area of disturbed weather in the western Caribbean between the Yucatan Peninsula and Jamaica is associated with a surface trough of low pressure. The counterclockwise flow of air around TD 10 is feeding moisture from this disturbance across Cuba and into South Florida today. This disturbance will bring heavy rains to Cozumel, Cancun, and western Cuba on Saturday as it crosses the Yucatan Peninsula. The disturbance is under 20 knots of wind shear at present, but the NOGAPS and GFS models predict this shear may fall enough on Sunday or Monday to allow some development to occur. Texas and Louisiana may get heavy rains from this system on Monday.

A non-tropical low pressure system about 1000 miles east of Bermuda is being watched by NHC for tropical development. SSTs beneath the low are 80 degrees F, which is right at the border where tropical storm formation can occur. This low is expected to move northeastwards out to sea 2-4 days from now.

I'll have an update Saturday morning.

Jeff Masters
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451. Patrap 9:50 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
STill Vortexes swinging around a Mean center...the IR loop shows the Depression.

GOES IR Loop of Gulf of Mexico

Link
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452. KoritheMan 9:51 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
I figured some here would be confused as to where the center is

the center is moving WNW, what some of you may be thinking is landfall, is convection with the center moving from the south side to the north side of the center

the center is due West of Panama City moving WNW


I thought so too, but still not sure.

I sense an argument though!
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453. gnshpdude 9:52 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
No it is just off the coast in Western Okaloosa county
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455. OSUWXGUY 9:52 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
I'm gotta head out... The CoC as specified by the NHC has no potential. I'm going to keep an eye out furter south.
456. StormJunkie 9:52 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
That is fine Drak and JLPR, if it is indeed well defined, then it is coming on shore now. And it will be in Fla.

Now, the NHC's definition of well defined and mine may be a little different. Comparing this to other tropical systems, I don't think the center is that "well defined", that said, it can be broad and well defined at the same time.
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457. Baybuddy 9:52 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
jp, do you have something to show everyone so we can stop all of these landfall announcements?
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459. weathersp 9:53 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: Drakoen
Thank you weathersp...


Np...

Posted By: KoritheMan
weathersp, I don't know if I'm just wanting to see this (not really... not a wishcaster), or if my eyes are playing tricks on me cause I'm tired or what, but the COC looked like it moved west in the very last loop of that radar image.


I dont think so.. Even if so that won't save it..
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460. pottery2 9:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Good Evening. I think that if this raincloud becomes Jerry, this year will have broken the record for 3 storms that were named and should not have been. Andrea and Barry being the other 2.
This is proving to be a very quiet season so far ( that may change, but I doubt it ), and so far there have been 6 storms that would qualify for names, if we had not started the season trying to make up 15-18 storms.
I cant understand the need to predict all these horrors, on no evidence.
Whats up ?
461. TampaSpin 9:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
If you look in the complete gulf on IR the coldest cloud tops is sitting right in the middle of the Gulf with a rotation.......
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462. catastropheadjuster 9:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
JP: Can you do that thingy with a map and draw a circle around it? Please.
Thanks,
Sheri
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463. gnshpdude 9:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
No argument from here I am going through it and have the weather station, Local Radar and Mark 20 eyeballs to see the wind direction change.
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464. hurricanehanna 9:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Evening Drak. I've been away from the computer all day and don't have the brain right now to decipher the blog - what is the updated info on TD10 and whatever is in the Caribbean, and will either of these affect LA? Thanks
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466. Cajun27 9:55 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
look like ms out of wood huh ?
467. JLPR 9:55 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
yeah it looks like its very close to land
and any unexpected move would bring it to land like someone else here said
just have to wait and see
its a depresion is common to see a broad circulation if it becomes a TS then the circulation becomes better defined
:P
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468. dfwWxDude 9:55 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Wow, nice radar pics weathersp, really shows the wobble, almost looks like it rolling over itself. I guess these weak storms can reform quickly. I meant to say WNW, in my earlier post. But I think it is pulling in some dry air from the west, so there is no precip on the side anymore. I think the coc is at the lower side if any precip.
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469. centex 9:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
FL storm, been looking that way all afternoon. I've already updated it in my book. LOL
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470. JLPR 9:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
im more woried about that area of convection in the central atlantic that has a lot of water to go through
umm
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471. runningfromthestorms 9:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Koritheman - I agree with you as long as it doesn't strenghten - didn't get but a spit this time though
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473. StormJunkie 9:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
And if what jp is saying is correct (which I do agree with, the center is still barely offshore), then it is not very well defined imho and it will make landfall between Mary E and Gulf Shores.
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474. Cajun27 9:58 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
ms is out of wood wow
475. CycloneBoz 9:58 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
TD-10 now moving almost due west...and slowing down!!!

If you live in Destin and Ft. Walton Beach, you should see a wicked looking dark mass of clouds heading your way from east to west!!!

I can only imagine how cool that must look. Be careful. Tornado eddies probably exist in a band this intense!!!!
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476. Drakoen 9:58 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
The center is barely of shore. has only a very slight chance of being named before landfall which could happen very soon.
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477. Cajun27 9:58 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
:(
478. NWWNCAVL 9:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: JLPR at 9:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

im more woried about that area of convection in the central atlantic that has a lot of water to go through
umm


Are u refering to the area assoc with the ITCZ?
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480. TampaSpin 9:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: Patrap at 5:50 PM EDT on September 21, 2007.

STill Vortexes swinging around a Mean center...the IR loop shows the Depression.

GOES IR Loop of Gulf of Mexico

Link

Thank you PatRap i agree they are not look at the main center...
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481. CaptnDan142 9:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
NWS saying a tornado near Chipley, heading for Bonifay - just heard it on the radio.
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482. SouthernLady 10:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Wherever the center is...the rest of it is spinning off tornado's...

456 PM CDT FRI SEP 21 2007

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TALLAHASSEE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EASTERN HOLMES COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF BONIFAY...
NORTHERN WASHINGTON COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...THIS
INCLUDES THE CITY OF CHIPLEY...

* UNTIL 545 PM CDT
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484. JLPR 10:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
osted By: NWWNCAVL at 9:59 PM GMT on Septiembre 21, 2007.
Posted By: JLPR at 9:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

im more woried about that area of convection in the central atlantic that has a lot of water to go through
umm

Are u refering to the area assoc with the ITCZ?


yes with the itcz and a few tropical waves that are around there
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485. runningfromthestorms 10:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Baybuddy, I will let you know as the bands come through here - looked like we were getting a good one on the last one but it fizzled out quickly.
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486. centex 10:01 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
This is just a rain thing and will happen all along N GOM coast. Exact landfall just means no more time to intensify. We just like awarding this storms to a location.
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487. Cajun27 10:01 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
why ms is out of wood /go to fl
488. weathersp 10:01 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Really Cool shot of TD 10 from the big national mosaic.

TD 10
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490. wxguru1 10:03 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Trying to pick out a pure "center" in a very ragged tropical depression that is still trying to fully undergo change from sub-tropical to tropical is impossible. You could say that half of the mean circulation aread which is prob 50 miles wide is already on land. I just hope NHC is not foolish enough to upgrade this system when it is basically on land and ground reports in the area are winds anywhere from calm to 20mph. Winds at flight level are not mixing to the surface. Please NHC, don't upgrade this to get the numbers up.
491. DallasGumby 10:04 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: StormJunkie at 9:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

And if what jp is saying is correct (which I do agree with, the center is still barely offshore), then it is not very well defined imho and it will make landfall between Mary E and Gulf Shores.


Do you mean Gulf Breeze? (There's quite a distance between Mary Esther and Gulf Shores, AL.)
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493. Cajun27 10:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
game over nola be ok
495. CycloneBoz 10:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Is TD-10 now beginning a WSW jog?

It's barely moving now, and if it backs off the mainland anymore than it already is, watch out!!!
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496. Cajun27 10:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
lol
497. Drakoen 10:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
LOL jp...
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498. StormJunkie 10:06 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Hugo-Neat story...

Hugo


Hugo

That was one amazing night. I was about 17; sitting in the hall way with my Mom on her birthday while dad was at the fire station because he worked for the town. Hard to describe what something like this is unless you have been through it.

StormJunkie.com


Off to celebrate Mom's birthday tonight, see y'all later.
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500. Drakoen 10:07 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
The dramatic Jim Cantorie says the center is very close to the coast and probably won't have time to become tropical storm Jerry.
Hes diverted his attention to the area in the Caribbean.
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