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Tropical Depression Ten slowly intensifying
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:33 PM GMT on September 21, 2007 +0
Tropical Depression Ten has gradually been acquiring tropical characteristics today, and officially made the transition from a subtropical storm to a tropical storm at 2 pm. One could still argue that the storm is subtropical, since the satellite presentation still shows a large band of strong thunderstorms well removed from the center. However, TD 10 has developed some heavy thunderstorms right at its center, which is a key characteristic of a tropical system. This transition means that TD 10 is likely to intensify, and surface winds measured by the Hurricane Hunter aircraft have increased about 10% since this morning. An Air Force aircraft measured a 37 knot surface wind at 1:05 pm EDT, and a NOAA aircraft measured 38 knots at 1:35 pm EDT. It's a judgment call on NHC's part to decide when this slow increase in winds merits an upgrade of the system to Tropical Storm Jerry. The storm still has subtropical characteristics, and this will keep its intensification rate far slower than Hurricane Humberto's. I think a 50 mph tropical storm is the strongest we'll see TD 10 get.

Top surface winds measured at buoys in the Gulf of Mexico were all below 25 knots (29 mph) early this afternoon. Long range radar loops from the Florida Panhandle show a slow improvement in the organization of the low level spiral bands. Satellite loops show that heavy thunderstorm activity is rather limited but slowly increasing. Radar estimated precipitation over the Florida Panhandle (Figure 1) has been up to three inches.


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Tallahassee, Florida radar.

Elsewhere in the tropics
An area of disturbed weather in the western Caribbean between the Yucatan Peninsula and Jamaica is associated with a surface trough of low pressure. The counterclockwise flow of air around TD 10 is feeding moisture from this disturbance across Cuba and into South Florida today. This disturbance will bring heavy rains to Cozumel, Cancun, and western Cuba on Saturday as it crosses the Yucatan Peninsula. The disturbance is under 20 knots of wind shear at present, but the NOGAPS and GFS models predict this shear may fall enough on Sunday or Monday to allow some development to occur. Texas and Louisiana may get heavy rains from this system on Monday.

A non-tropical low pressure system about 1000 miles east of Bermuda is being watched by NHC for tropical development. SSTs beneath the low are 80 degrees F, which is right at the border where tropical storm formation can occur. This low is expected to move northeastwards out to sea 2-4 days from now.

I'll have an update Saturday morning.

Jeff Masters
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251. RadarRich 8:53 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Wow, amazing how significant these wobbles are so crucial, especially in the 11th hour as a storm is so close to the coastline. A wobble to the west for a few more hours can make such an unbelievable difference in the strength of TD 10/(Jerry?, maybe, before landfall.
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252. redrobin 8:53 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: smmcdavid at 8:38 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

I don't know what it is, but I definitely see something rotating further out in the gulf. I'm not saying it's a new CoC (I wouldn't know) or anything... but something is going on.


I see it too??? I noticed it a while back. I dont know what it is...It is getting more together. I have been waiting for someone to say something about it.
253. medicroc 8:53 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Is a 2nd center developing in the middle of the Gulf?
I was just going to ask the same question
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255. Baybuddy 8:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Am I the only one to have never seen a storm like this?
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256. houstonstormguy 8:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
A question to knowledgeable bloggers:

How does/did Bastardi and accuweather get this one so wrong. Early in week had the system as a cat 1 or bigger heading for texas coast?
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257. Cavin Rawlins 8:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
DR. S. Lyons on the TWC said that if it continued on its northward jog it will make landfall in a few hours

He also said that the Caribbean disturbance has a broad area of low pressure needs to be watch. But he said that it will move northward.
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258. Drakoen 8:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Whatever is in the mid level of the atmosphere which can be seen on the cimss 500mb vorticityThere are no signs of a SFC circulation and with TD 10 close by nothing can form now.
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259. DestinFishHead 8:55 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Im gonna take a run out to the beach and see whats going on down there

Back in a few
260. plywoodstatenative 8:55 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
this massive burst of moisture, is there anything to it or is this just an extended tail to TD 10?
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262. moonlightcowboy 8:55 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: extreme236 at 8:52 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.
Posted By: moonlightcowboy at 8:50 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

Hey, Drakoen! I hope you and Extreme noticed my post yesterday that declared how right the both of you were regarding 93L from Wednesday! Congrats! I prefer the crow baked, not fried, please. Thanks!

thanks moon...baked crow is always best...spicy makes it even better lol


....lol, I suppose it's good for one more, Extreme! uuuuuuuummmm, I'll have some "fries" with that, too!

--btw, if it makes it to Jerry (looking sort of puny to me), surely it won't be very much to be concerned about. In the present doesn't even look like tons of rain, but I suppose it could spin out some twisters and that'd be dangerous.
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263. StPeteBill 8:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
How does/did Bastardi and accuweather get this one so wrong. Early in week had the system as a cat 1 or bigger heading for texas coast?

That's a loaded question in here!
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265. extreme236 8:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
well convection has modestly increased over the center, and if the trend continues they could end up making it jerry by 8pm
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266. 606 8:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
I think we need to watch the wave in the Atlantic 45W 10N. I see a spin happening.It will creep up on us.
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267. plywoodstatenative 8:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
456, yeah move north and take care of our drought problem here in south florida. Cause right now most of south florida is under one type of severe advisory or another. Right now under a flood watch here. Getting pounded on badly
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268. dixiegal1 8:56 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
how significant these wobbles are so crucial, especially in the 11th hour as a storm is so close to the coaWow, amazing stline. A wobble to the west for a few more hours can make such an unbelievable difference in the strength of TD 10/(Jerry?, maybe, before landfall.


if i remember comrrectly it was a wobble to the east at the last minute that spared nola and the ms coast from Ivan....
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269. NOLA70130 8:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Well the weather is nice here right now!
272. NorthxCakalaky 8:58 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
T.D 10 promting tornado warnings.

Link
273. plywoodstatenative 8:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
lately anything thats formed that far south, 606, has either been sheared to death or has died out and then later reformed north of the islands. I would be watching what is in the caribbean and anything that forms off any troughs that exit off of the carolina coastline.
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274. moonlightcowboy 8:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Okay, then...you two honorary mets! What's the nwCarib cluster going to do?
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277. DestinFishHead 8:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
AAAAHHHHHH here comes the rain
278. smmcdavid 9:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Floodman: the circulation further out in the gulf was what was being discussed. Oh... that was a little wordy.

Tex: it was a hell of a game. Ha ha.
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279. TampaSpin 9:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
ijust looked at a Nasa sat. shot and it does appear a southern rotation is getting more dominate....http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/post-goes
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280. Drakoen 9:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: moonlightcowboy at 8:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

Okay, then...you two honorary mets! What's the nwCarib cluster going to do?


Looks like a broad area of low pressure. Development if any would be slow to occur. The GFS develops a weak system and takes it into South texas. Very weak system. The convection is very disorganized persistance is the key.
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281. MrNiceville 9:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Not much here in Niceville -

Kinda like the rains that we get during the winter - light, small drops. Is the COC still offshore?
283. redwagon 9:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
redrobin, others: Cantore showed that 'thing' SW of 10, talked about it a while ago. I use uhmet to check out 'new' stuff like that.

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284. Floodman 9:01 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: houstonstormguy at 8:54 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

A question to knowledgeable bloggers:

How does/did Bastardi and accuweather get this one so wrong. Early in week had the system as a cat 1 or bigger heading for texas coast?


Houston, it's betting to an inside straight only holding two cards...I can tell you there's a chance, but there are far too many ways for the variables to stack up against you. They were figuring that this thing would be a warm core system, for one thing...

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285. NorthxCakalaky 9:01 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Link



Nice line of thunderstorms in the midwest.
286. plywoodstatenative 9:01 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Hurricanes pounded on the aggies last night,born bred and still a canes fan, now it feels like a hurricane like rainstorm outside. Is this system tropical in nature or just monsoonal like rainstorms?
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288. redrobin 9:02 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
ok cool thanks
289. RadarRich 9:02 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: RadarRich at 7:32 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

2. NW Caribeann Disturbance at this time has no significant circulation. The last few hours actually show a blowup near Cuba that bears watching over the next 24-48 hours. Heading in a general Northward motion.

My Last cent. #3. At coordinates 8-12 North/ 45-50 west. In this ITTZ area, there is a definite spin starting to occur and some convection flaring around this spin. Noticeable in the visible imagery and the water vapor loops. JMO, carry on Folks


I was wondering when someone would comment on that!!!


Posted By: 606 at 8:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

I think we need to watch the wave in the Atlantic 45W 10N. I see a spin happening.It will creep up on us.
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290. NWWNCAVL 9:02 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: 606 at 8:57 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

I think we need to watch the wave in the Atlantic 45W 10N. I see a spin happening.It will creep up on us.


I believe that is associated with the ITCZ...It would need to get away from that.
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292. Rodek 9:03 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
We're starting to get some breezey winds and some rain here finally in Ft Walton Beach.
293. plywoodstatenative 9:04 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
anything that stays in the ITCZ lately just goes into S. America. For it to become something it needs to stay away from the shear in the Atlantic and also find a way to dislodge itself from the zone. What do you all think about the giant extra tropical system in the Atl?
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294. 606 9:04 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: plywoodstatenative at 8:59 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

lately anything thats formed that far south, 606, has either been sheared to death or has died out and then later reformed north of the islands. I would be watching what is in the caribbean and anything that forms off any troughs that exit off of the carolina coastline.

I think the shear is low enought now for somthing to form just east of the islands. Lets keep an eye on it during the weekend.
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295. Floodman 9:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Posted By: smmcdavid at 9:00 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

Floodman: the circulation further out in the gulf was what was being discussed. Oh... that was a little wordy.

Tex: it was a hell of a game. Ha ha.


Sorry, smmcdavid...I think drak covered it nicely...mid-level issue, and no surface component...
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296. Hhunter 9:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
bastardi gave a west and east option . west stronger. east about were we are quote it correctly...
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297. smmcdavid 9:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
Thanks. I don't know much about all this, just know that I saw some circular movement. lol
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298. DestinFishHead 9:06 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
and the rain stops as quickly as it starts. About a 2 minute downpour
299. Hhunter 9:05 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
bastardi gave a west and east option . west stronger. east about were we are quote it correctly...
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301. plywoodstatenative 9:07 PM GMT on September 21, 2007    
if I am right the westerlies have settled into their "home" in the Atlantic. So to say that shear is gone, I would be looking more at the system in the caribbean right now more than I would be anywhere else.
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