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Bertha may pose a long-range threat to the U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:43 PM GMT on July 05, 2008 +6
Tropical Storm Bertha has maintained it's strength overnight, but is having trouble with Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) of 25°C--one degree below the threshold of 26°C considered beneficial for tropical storms. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed Bertha, but last night's pass confirmed winds of at least 40mph. Satellite estimates of Bertha's strength have consistently put the storm's strength at 50 mph over the past day. The storm is under about 10-15 knots of wind shear.


Figure 1. Latest satellite image of Bertha.

The forecast
The models are now more confident that Bertha will not take a turn to the north east of Bermuda, with two models--the UKMET and NOGAPS--calling for the storm to pass very near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. These islands should anticipate the possibility of tropical storm conditions as early as Tuesday night, even though the current official track keeps Bertha well north of the islands. Bertha may be large enough to bring tropical storm force winds 100-200 miles from the center by Tuesday. A threat to the East Coast of the U.S. is now possible, with such an event most likely to occur about 7-10 days from now. It is also possible that high wind shear will tear apart Bertha (as predicted by the ECMWF model), or that the storm will recurve to the north just east of North Carolina, missing the U.S. The long range track of Bertha is highly uncertain, and it is too early to speculate how likely each of these scenarios is.

By Sunday morning, Bertha will be over SSTs of 26°C, which will warm to 27°C by Monday and 28°C Tuesday. this should allow Bertha to intensify to near Category 1 hurricane strength. However, by Tuesday, wind shear is expected to increase to 20 knots and remain high for several days, as Bertha encounters a branch of the subtropical jet stream. The higher shear should weaken the storm.

Elsewhere in the tropics
There are no threat areas to discuss in the tropical Atlantic, and none of the models are forecasting tropical storm formation in the next seven days.

I'll post an update by Sunday afternoon.
Jeff Masters
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302. Drakoen 3:11 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
293. StSimonsIslandGAGuy 3:09 PM GMT on July 05, 2008
Drakoen do you believe that Bertha will be north or south of the forecast point in 5 days?


South not much confidence in that though.
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305. weathersp 3:13 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
From NHC 11AM discussion:
THE NEW
NHC INTENSITY FORECAST IS UNCHANGED THROUGH 48 HOURS BUT NOW
PREDICTS BERTHA TO REACH HURRICANE STRENGTH IN 72 HOURS.
THEREAFTER...DUE TO UNCERTAINTIES IN THE AMOUNT OF PREDICTED
SHEAR...THE INTENSITY IS HELD A LITTLE BELOW THE LGEM...SHIPS...AND
GFDL MODELS WHICH SHOW ADDITIONAL INTENSIFICATION.
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306. chessrascal 3:13 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
JFV its not safe to say until a week from now
307. atmoaggie 3:13 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
didn't like working the overnight shifts when I became engaged to my wife to be and the prospect of a young family

Some people would love that, but I second this comment. I got lucky and found a met job that is 8:30 to 5 weekdays with all government holidays off. Do I plan on working the night shift on Christmas Eve...no.

Operational forecasters throughout NWS probably have 5 interesting weather days a year in their area on their shift. That would be enough for some folks. I would get bored in a real hurry with forecasts that are of the sort that tomorrow will be a lot like today.
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308. tropicfreak 3:13 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Last time we had a hurricane come up here in VA was Isabel in 03. Va could use the rain with a dry june.
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309. presslord 3:13 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
mel...fill the cars up with gas now...and keep 'em full...IMHO things will be in pretty sharp focus by midweek.....
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311. IKE 3:14 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
303. JFV 10:12 AM CDT on July 05, 2008
Thanks for your input IKE, I greatly appreciated it. And yes, I too fear the same, you just wait till that 5pm update comes out, right IKE?


Agree.
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312. philliesrock 3:14 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Here's what Accuweather's path is:



Ummmmmmmm.

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313. msphar 3:14 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
The track looks suspect. That huge H near Burmuda is likely to continue to force ol Bertha gal more West than WNW. Unfortunately for me, this puts Puerto Rico closer to the cross hairs. Next few days will confirm this theory or not.
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314. rhiles2760 3:15 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
So, next weekend at my house in North Topsail Beach, NC, should I be expecting Bertha?
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315. kmanislander 3:15 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Ike

If you look back at the surface map I posted the Western periphery of the high is all the way back into Texas. If Bertha is where the map shows it at that time there will not be enough time to erode so extensive a high in order to allow the system to make what will then be a "U" turn.

A trough would have to come off the East coast and fracture the high between Fla. and Bermuda in order to create a weakness for the storm to exit through. The timing on that will be awfully tricky if it happens at all.
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316. weathersp 3:15 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Accuweather LOL!!!
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317. stormlvr 3:15 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
262. hurricane23 3:00 PM GMT on July 05, 2008
As intensififcation is now forcast to cane status bertha to me is more likely to feel the tug and move in a WNW-NW fashion in the days ahead

Agreed. If intensification were to occur that fast then the chance for a recurving storm would increase especially with the second trof. Lets hope its right.
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318. chessrascal 3:15 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
phillies now we know where it isnt going to go lol
319. melwerle 3:16 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
I do StormW...thank you!

Press - great idea...not staying if it heads this way.
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320. weathermanwannabe 3:16 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Good Morning Folks and I hope you all had a nice 4th.....I mentioned two nights ago that I could see Bertha as a potential threat to the Carolinas (based upon the A-B high position) if the forcasted weakness did not materialize and it looks like this could be a possibility (Goes to show all of us about how fluid this whole area is with many of us, including myself, were saying "fish" three-four days ago). As to the rest of the Tropical Atlantic, you can almost "see" the MJO moving over to this basin and I would not be surpised if we have Bertha, and, another storm in the Gomex/Carribean in the next week or so (the hybrid July/August climatology I am looking at right now.......very interesting)....Those are my thoughts this morning......WW
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321. Tazmanian 3:16 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
456 thanks by the way are you going to have a update on your blog today ???


all so i olny see a red X on the GFS that you where trying to show me
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322. tropicfreak 3:16 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    


Watch out Carolinas
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324. IKE 3:17 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    

315. kmanislander 10:15 AM CDT on July 05, 2008
Ike

If you look back at the surface map I posted the Western periphery of the high is all the way back into Texas. If Bertha is where the map shows it at that time there will not be enough time to erode so extensive a high in order to allow the system to make what will then be a "U" turn.

A trough would have to come off the East coast and fracture the high between Fla. and Bermuda in order to create a weakness for the storm to exit through. The timing on that will be awfully tricky if it happens at all.


Agree....one avenue is to look at the extended discussions out of the various offices.
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325. TerraNova 3:17 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
301. JFV 3:11 PM GMT on July 05, 2008

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet. Bertha is still too far away from land for concern to amount. Remember, all we are relying upon are computer models working on a hypothetical representation of the future, which may or may not happen. As Bertha nears the islands (or goes to the north of them), then we should be able to look at the CONUS's chances of getting affected with more certainty.
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327. stoormfury 3:18 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
456
very strong eatl wave with a 1012mb low, near 11N moving west at 15 mph. this looks like soon to be chritened Cristobal. this system at this point could be a threat to the islands next weekend
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329. Drakoen 3:18 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
323. jphurricane2006 3:17 PM GMT on July 05, 2008
I dont see many pics of Fish now do I?

lol


reserved.
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330. reedzone 3:18 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Great post Dr. Masters!All on the East Coast need to watch Bertha a bit more now. Even if it strengthens, as I said all along, the ridge will hold!
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331. presslord 3:18 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
I know my "Carolinas" obsession is amusing...and I admit I harp on it mainly to amuse y'all...but geographically, it is an important distinction....
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332. Cavin Rawlins 3:19 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
321. Tazmanian 11:16 AM AST on July 05, 2008
456 thanks by the way are you going to have a update on your blog today ???


all so i olny see a red X on the GFS that you where trying to show me


I will update this afternoon.

Sorry about the broken link...i fiexed it.
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334. Tazmanian 3:19 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
wait wait wait


dont you all think your for geting some in


what about wind shear by that time


the storm could get tourn a part by that time has well dont for get that
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335. StormJunkie 3:20 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
IMHO things will be in pretty sharp focus by midweek....

Exactly press

I am interested to see if we start getting a standard variation between the 00z/12z runs, and the 06/18z runs of the GFS. One set being more southerly then the other. Seems the GFS does this on occasion? Almost like it is debating with itself...
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336. IKE 3:20 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Long-term from NYC,NY....

Long term /Monday night through Friday/...
Bermuda high remains in place over the Atlantic...and persistent SW
flow will allow a very warm and humid airmass to overspread the
region. Highs will be in the upper 80s to around 90 with dewpoints
in the upper 60s. Diurnally driven convection will result in
scattered evening showers and thunderstorms Monday night...then again
on Tuesday afternoon/evening. A cold front will push into the region on
Wednesday...moving south of the area Wednesday night and becoming nearly
stationary as high pressure builds from the north.
........


weakness for Bertha to turn?
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337. weathersp 3:20 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Thats where the "wait and see" attitude comes in handy...
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340. fuzzy3456 3:21 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
wow! according to accuweather the whole eastern seaboard is at risk!
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341. Tazmanian 3:21 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
thanks 456
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342. Cavin Rawlins 3:21 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
lol @ JP

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stormfury, It maybe more interesting for the islands and beyond than Bertha at some point in the future.
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344. hurricane23 3:22 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Hopefully the GFS is right and weakens the ridge enough so what will be hurricane bertha turns away from the eastcaost.

The thing that has me a bit concerned is how both the GFS/ECMWF both build a pretty significant ridge out 4-5 days.
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345. Drakoen 3:23 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Taz, the models show upper level winds to be favorable of the U.S. southeastern seaboard.
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347. IKE 3:24 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
344...this from the Wilmington,NC extended...

"Long term /Tuesday through Saturday/...
as of 3 am Saturday...much of the same with Bermuda high in place
through most of the extended period. Middle to upper level support for
afternoon convection diminishes heading into middle week as middle to
upper ridge builds westward over the southeast Continental U.S..
as ridge
builds westward...local area gets into a band of westerlies at middle
levels which will help diminish deep layer moisture in the
atmosphere...but overall pcp water values will remain up around 1.8
inches."
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348. Tazmanian 3:25 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
by time it gets too 50W wind shear is 30kt wish is not too bad for the storm now if it can hold up in the 30kt of wind shear it will have a nic path of 5 10kt of wind shear all the way to the coast but it most get pass the 30kt of wind shear 1st and hold to geter but this is a few days a way and i sure wind shear could be higher or lower by that time

Link
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351. IKE 3:25 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
347. IKE 10:24 AM CDT on July 05, 2008
344...this from the Wilmington,NC extended...

"Long term /Tuesday through Saturday/...
as of 3 am Saturday...much of the same with Bermuda high in place
through most of the extended period. Middle to upper level support for
afternoon convection diminishes heading into middle week as middle to
upper ridge builds westward over the southeast Continental U.S.. as ridge
builds westward...local area gets into a band of westerlies at middle
levels which will help diminish deep layer moisture in the
atmosphere...but overall pcp water values will remain up around 1.8
inches."


Uh...that doesn't sound good......
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