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Heat Waves (4) A Climate Case Study:
Posted by: Dr. Ricky Rood, 6:26 AM GMT on July 19, 2011 +9
Heat Waves (4) A Climate Case Study:

In the last article I wrote that the extreme events of 2011 were providing us with the opportunity to think about climate and how to cope with a warming world. The U.S. is experiencing an extreme heat event this week (Masters @ WU). This heat wave is the consequence of a strong, stationary high pressure system over the central U.S., and it will move to the east over the next few days. Back on July 14th The Capital Weather Gang did a nice write up on the forecast of the heat wave. At the end of this blog are links to my previous blogs on heat waves and human health.

When thinking about weather, climate, and extreme events an important idea is “persistence.” For example, a heat wave occurs when there are persistent high temperatures. Persistent weather patterns occur when high and low pressure systems get large and stuck; that is, they don’t move. In the Figure below, you need to imagine North America and the United States. There is a high pressure center over the proverbial Heartland. With blue arrows I have drawn the flow of air around the high pressure system, and in this case moist air. There is moisture coming from the Gulf of Mexico and, in fact on the date when this was drawn, from the Pacific. This is common in the summer to see both the Gulf of Mexico and Pacific as sources of continental moisture.



Figure 1: Schematic of a high pressure system over the central United States in July. While generic, this is drawn to represent some of the specifics of 2011. The green-shaded area is where there have been floods in 2011. The brown-shaded area represents sustained drought in the southern part of the nation.

At the center of this high pressure system there is a suppression of rain, because the air is moving downward. This sets up a situation where the surface heats from the Sun’s energy. There is not much mixing and cooling, because of the suppression of the upward motion that produces rain. Hence, if this high pressure system gets stuck, then there is persistent heat. This is a classic summer heat wave.

Let’s think about it some more. There is lot of moisture being drawn around the edge of the high pressure system, and this moisture contributes to the discomfort of people. People – just a short aside about people: if we think about heat and health, then we are concerned about people’s ability to cool themselves. It is more difficult to cool people when it is humid because sweat does not evaporate. Suppose that in addition to this moisture, there is a region where the ground is soaked with water from flooding. Then on top of already moist air coming from the Gulf, there is local evaporation into the air being warmed by the Sun. If on the interior of the high, where the rain is suppressed, there is hot, wet air, then it becomes dangerous heat.

It’s not easy to derive a number that describes dangerous heat. But in much of the eastern U.S. a number that somehow combines temperature and humidity is useful. Meteorologists often use the heat index. It’s the summer time version of “it’s 98 degrees, but it feels like 105.” For moist climates, the heat index is one version of the “it feels like” temperature. Jeff Masters tells me that in Newton, Iowa yesterday, July 17, 2011, the heat index was 126 degrees F. (see here, and 131 F in Knoxville, Iowa on July 18)

Another measure of heat and humidity is the dew point; that is, the temperature at which dew forms, and effectively limits the nighttime low. The dew points in Iowa, South Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin are currently very high and setting records. Here is a map of dew point for July 19, 2011.



Figure 2: Exceptionally high dew points centered on Iowa.


Now if I was a public health official, and I was trying to understand how a warming planet might impact my life, then here is how I would think about it. First, the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific are going to be warmer, and hence, there will be more humid air. This will mean, with regard to human health for the central U.S., heat waves will become more dangerous, without necessarily becoming hotter. It is also reasonable to expect heat waves will become more frequent and last longer, because those persistent, stuck high pressure systems are, in part, forced by the higher sea surface temperatures. If I am a public health official here is my algorithm – heat waves are already important to my life, and they are likely to get more dangerous, more frequent, and of longer duration. But by how much? Do I need to know by how much before I decide on a plan for action?

If I think about the air being more humid, then I might expect to see trends in the heat index. I might expect to see trends in dew points, and trends in the nighttime minimum temperatures getting higher. (That’s where a greenhouse effect really matters.) I worry about persistent heat, warm nights, and the inability of people and buildings to cool themselves. I worry about their being dangerous heat in places where people and emergency rooms are not used to dangerous heat – not acclimated to heat – not looking for heat-related illness.

Let’s go back to the figure. Rain is suppressed in the middle of the high pressure system, but around the edge of the high pressure system it will rain; there will be storms. (see Figure 3 at the end) The air around the edge of high is warm and very wet. Wet air is energetic air, and it is reasonable to expect local severe storms. (See Severe Storm on Lake Michigan) And if the high pressure is persistent, stuck, then days of extreme weather are possible. If this pattern sets up, then there is increased likelihood of flooding. If I am that public health official, then I am alerted to the possibility of more extreme weather and the dangers thereof. But, again, can the increase of extreme weather be quantified? Do I need to quantify it before I decide on a plan of action?

Still with the figure - what about that region of extended drought and the heat from the high pressure system? Dehydration becomes a more important issue. As a public health official, I start to see the relation of the heat event to other aspects of the weather, the climate. I see the relation to drought. I see the flood, and it’s relation to the winter snow pack and spring rains.

So what I have presented here is to look at the local mechanisms of the weather – what are the basic underlying physics responsible for hot and cold, wet and dry – for moist air? If I stick to these basic physics, and let the climate model frame the more complex regional and global picture, what can I say about the future? Do I have to have a formal prediction to take action? Here in 2011, I see drought and flood and hot weather and warm oceans that interact together to make a period of sustained, dangerous heat. It does not have to “set a record” to convey the reality of the warming earth. It tells me the type of event that is likely to come more often, of longer duration, and of, perhaps, of greater intensity. If I am a public health planner, then I can know this with some certainty. The question becomes, how do I use that information in my planning?

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Figure 3: Radar loop showing precipitation around the edge of the large high pressure system in the middle of the continent. July 19, 2011.

Previous Blogs on Heat Waves

Hot in Denver: Heat Waves (1)

Heat Waves (2): Heat and Humans

Heat Waves (3): Role of Global Warming




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1001. Neapolitan 5:16 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:


but the unions of tenured, grant peddling university professors aren't an industry?

I guess not, when they don't have to satisfy investors with dividends. All they have to do is publish words that suit they who grant the funds.

The "Green" movement is a Big Union stew.

Industry indeed.



TThe fossil fuel industry makes hundreds of thousands of dollars in profit every minute of every hour of every day. Does anyone truly believe that a corrupt scientist--that is, one willing to trade on his credibility, experience, and education--would grovel after those oh-so-lucrative grants when he could earn 20 times as much working the denialist circuit?

Puh-leez...
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1002. Neapolitan 5:17 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting Ossqss:



Sorry, I was not logged in and could not see it initially



Out >>>>

Oh, so you alone are able to submit comments without being logged in? That must be nice... ;-)
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1003. greentortuloni 5:20 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:


but the unions of tenured, grant peddling university professors aren't an industry?

I guess not, when they don't have to satisfy investors with dividends. All they have to do is publish words that suit they who grant the funds.

The "Green" movement is a Big Union stew.

Industry indeed.




Um.. maybe this is true. I've often thought that the only thing more useless than one philosopher is two of them.

But a lot of the professors that you are refering to are in the 'hard science' side of academics. They are not debating the number of angels that can dance on a pin, they are working on models that are open for inspection. To date, none of these models have been proven false.

Further, a lot of hard science in academics is tied to university/industry partnerships. This creates a motivation for overstating results but it also creates a market feedback mechanicsm that is much more honest than the popular press.

I think if you lined up the predictions from academics against politicians and other pundits, youwould find the academics are much closer to reality.

I also find it amusing that global warming can be considered alarmist theory by the same people that think that imaging a global conspiracy in the face of open data is not rational.
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1004. PurpleDrank 5:21 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

By James Taylor | Forbes – 21 hrs ago

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.


"The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is "not much"). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA's ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth's atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth's atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.

When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a "huge discrepancy" between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News.


http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold- global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html
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1005. greentortuloni 5:23 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

TThe fossil fuel industry makes hundreds of thousands of dollars in profit every minute of every hour of every day. Does anyone truly believe that a corrupt scientist--that is, one willing to trade on his credibility, experience, and education--would grovel after those oh-so-lucrative grants when he could earn 20 times as much working the denialist circuit?

Puh-leez...


Yeah but the pay off for professors is working with intelligent people and dating liberal chicks. If you work for big oil you have to date Sarah Palin types and sneak your fun in through the backdoor.
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1006. Neapolitan 5:23 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting GetReal:
APNewsBreak: Arctic scientist under investigation

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — A federal wildlife biologist whose observation in 2004 of presumably drowned polar bears in the Arctic helped to galvanize the global warming movement has been placed on administrative leave and is being investigated for scientific misconduct, possibly over the veracity of that article.

Charles Monnett, an Anchorage-based scientist with the U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement, or BOEMRE, was told July 18 that he was being put on leave, pending results of an investigation into "integrity issues." But he has not yet been informed by the inspector general's office of specific charges or questions related to the scientific integrity of his work, said Jeff Ruch, executive director of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.

I haven't been inclined to visit the ex small-market TV weather reader's site today, but this must be all over it, huh?

A politically-motivated investigation with no specific charges--ie, a "witch hunt"--doesn't prove anything, of course. Now, I wonder whether WUWT (and the other 4,000 denialist websites parroting this story today) will print a full retraction/apology when the Monnett is over? Nah, I don't really wonder that; if history is any lesson, we won't hear a word. After all, smear-and-run has been a denialist tactic from Day One.

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1007. PurpleDrank 5:26 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
#1003

Well there's a recent study that proved models false, that I just posted

sorry
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1008. Neapolitan 5:26 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

By James Taylor | Forbes %u2013 21 hrs ago

[snip]

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News.


http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold- global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

Seems you forgot a few things:

"James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The [Big Energy Funded] Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News [a monthly publication from the Big Energy funded Heartland Institute]."

There. Now people can have the whole story. At least, as much as one can get from a profit-over-all magazine like Forbes...
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1009. PurpleDrank 5:35 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Hey you can complain about the source all you want, Neapolitan. but the science is there. those satellites reporting data aren't biased to which magazine writes about its findings.

I thought its all about science? Science isn't supposed to be accepted if its reported in a business publication? Should politics not be accepted if its reported in a Rock & Roll publication?

So the models were off in their predictions. It doesn't mean the debate is over!

Get yourself together man, science is only emotional when you make it emotional.




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1011. PurpleDrank 5:43 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA's ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

*Green font to make it go down easier

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold- global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html
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1012. PurpleDrank 5:49 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
here's an insightful comment on the Forbes NASA article:

now that NASA is losing federal funding for various programs, they don't feel they have to "tow the company line"

+like
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1013. PurpleDrank 5:52 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
...and then, there was silence
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1014. nymore 5:56 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Why would a scientist work for the oil company when he could make 50 times more working for the government
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1015. Some1Has2BtheRookie 6:12 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
Republicans Seek Big Cuts in Environmental Rules
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
Published: July 27, 2011



With the nation’s attention diverted by the drama over the debt ceiling, Republicans in the House of Representatives are loading up an appropriations bill with 39 ways — and counting — to significantly curtail environmental regulation.


Do you remember Tom DeLay? Well, here we go again!
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1016. JBastardi 6:19 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:
here's an insightful comment on the Forbes NASA article:

now that NASA is losing federal funding for various programs, they don't feel they have to "tow the company line"

+like


I think it's more along the lines that the scientists who work for NASA might be finding themselves out of a job soon, and they are jumping to restore any sort of credibility that they might have left (if that is possible) now that the light of independent study is now squarely upon them. They also are worried about their reputation because they might be soon be in the job market.
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1017. nymore 6:22 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Green- On responding to dating liberal chicks not that this is much of a choice but Sarah Palin or Nancy Pelosi. I gotta go with the crazy Alaskan
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1018. PurpleDrank 6:25 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting nymore:
Green- On responding to dating liberal chicks not that this is much of a choice but Sarah Palin or Nancy Pelosi. I gotta go with the crazy Alaskan


Rachel Maddow or Megyn Kelly

no contest
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1019. JBastardi 6:51 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Urbanization, logically, causes temperature increases, which affect temperature stations, no matter what any warmist might tell you. Apparently, the laws of physics only apply in China, because the US appears to thwart those laws as NOAA might have you believe:

Link
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1021. greentortuloni 8:26 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:


Rachel Maddow or Megyn Kelly

no contest


I don't know them so no comment. However, I will give you Bellatrice Lestrange.

She casts a spell on me : )

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1022. PurpleDrank 8:30 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
I had to look Bellatrice Lestrange up

seems she is some sort of a death-eater

??
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1025. PSLFLCaneVet 9:20 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    

Food for thought:

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

Link
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1026. Neapolitan 10:38 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
Republicans Seek Big Cuts in Environmental Rules
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
Published: July 27, 2011



With the nation’s attention diverted by the drama over the debt ceiling, Republicans in the House of Representatives are loading up an appropriations bill with 39 ways — and counting — to significantly curtail environmental regulation.

When their Big Polluting masters play a tune, the puppets do just as they're expected: they get up and start dancing a lively little jig, and the puppet masters smile. Of course, the whole world pays the price for the festivities--but so long as the puppets can get a few more dollars in their campaign war chests and their masters can see a few extra dollars in their stock portfolios, who cares, right? :-\
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1027. Neapolitan 10:43 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:
Urbanization, logically, causes temperature increases, which affect temperature stations, no matter what any warmist might tell you. Apparently, the laws of physics only apply in China, because the US appears to thwart those laws as NOAA might have you believe:

Link

It's true: cities are heating up even faster than rural areas as a result of AGW. Not very comforting...
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1028. JBastardi 10:52 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

It's true: cities are heating up even faster than rural areas as a result of AGW. Not very comforting...


Oh, it wouldn't be the concrete, steel, asphalt and other known heat-retaining substances. No, that couldn't be it, especially the higher temperatures at night. Of course it's CO2. You alarmists should be the deniers. Denying real science itself.
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1029. Neapolitan 11:54 PM GMT on July 28, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:


Oh, it wouldn't be the concrete, steel, asphalt and other known heat-retaining substances. No, that couldn't be it, especially the higher temperatures at night. Of course it's CO2. You alarmists should be the deniers. Denying real science itself.

Are you of the opinion that somehow CO2-induced warming is mutually incompatible with city-induced heating? Do you believe that the existence of the latter disproves the existence of the former? And if so, can you please explain to us all why that would be? Thanks!
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1030. nymore 12:07 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
City cores shown to be cooling down due to large air conditioners cooling buildings from inside out causing the wet bulb temperature to drop within 10 feet of large structures
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1031. PSLFLCaneVet 12:30 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    


Allrighty then. Thought the NASA data was worth at least a look by you folks, but I guess you all think that since I haven't been taking sides in the matter, my input isn't relevant.

I put the link up for discussion. Have a nice night.
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1032. Some1Has2BtheRookie 1:37 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Quoting Ossqss:


It is an article about a peer reviewed published paper. What is the question?

Here it is if you can get to it. It is either very busy, or being intentionally bogged down.

http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/3/8/1603/

A discussion here~

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/07/our-refutatio n-of-dessler-2010-is-accepted-for-publication/

L8R


I appreciate the links, Ossqss, but why do you give me links to Roy Spencer's comments on this? He wrote the article in the link I supplied. This is kind of like asking someone to grade their own test with no other resources at their disposal to use.
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1033. Patrap 1:47 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
All the debate over the warming and causation is moot, as the Bus left da Station over 10 years ago as to the Forcing's and drivers causing the Changes.

If you disagree, that fine, but it makes no matter as to the facts, as they remain, the facts.


Where doe the 90plus million tons of Pollutants daily pumped into Earths Atmosphere go?

I believe some think the RNC Fairy's and Elve's come out at night,wave their Harry Potter Wands and POOF it all away.

Kinda like Tax Cuts create Jobs u could say?

LoL


Get a grip, get up to speed on the Science of Climate Change.


Or at least bring something other than a watts up wit dat article of "udder" nonsense to sway the Overwhelming Science of climate Change.

Enjoy yer evening.

Oh, here's a good place to start..

Created with your Tax Funded science dollars, NOAA.

I believe a few, if not all posters here Taxes went to pay for the Graphs as well.

Money well spent, TYVM


www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators



Simulated global temperature in experiments that include human influences (pink line), and model experiments that included only natural factors (blue line). The black line is observed temperature change.








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1034. JBastardi 2:19 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Seems you forgot a few things:

"James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The [Big Energy Funded] Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News [a monthly publication from the Big Energy funded Heartland Institute]."

There. Now people can have the whole story. At least, as much as one can get from a profit-over-all magazine like Forbes...


The left-wing Associated Press reported the story as well. How are you going to skew that one?

Link



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1035. Ossqss 2:24 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I appreciate the links, Ossqss, but why do you give me links to Roy Spencer's comments on this? He wrote the article in the link I supplied. This is kind of like asking someone to grade their own test with no other resources at their disposal to use.


Take a look at the peer reviewed, published paper producers names.

That just doesn't read right, sorry :)

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1036. Ossqss 2:38 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
1033

No, my bus is still looking at the GPS, traffic, and the weather outlook to determine the way-points.

Let's look at this from a different perspective.

GISS, the predominant tool for land temps.

Tell me,,,,,,

Who looked at, documented, and then who calibrated/verified those global temp readings from say,,,, 25,50,75,150 years ago?

We are talking about 1.4F over 160 years!

How confident are you with the starting line?

Remember, 1,200 Km smoothing, Homogenization, and in particular, above 80, extrapolation.


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1037. Patrap 2:50 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
How do we know the Earth's climate is warming?

Thousands of land and ocean temperature measurements are recorded each day around the globe. This includes measurements from climate reference stations, weather stations, ships, buoys and autonomous gliders in the oceans.

These surface measurements are also supplemented with satellite measurements. These measurements are processed, examined for random and systematic errors, and then finally combined to produce a time series of global average temperature change. A number of agencies around the world have produced datasets of global-scale changes in surface temperature using different techniques to process the data and remove measurement errors that could lead to false interpretations of temperature trends.

The warming trend that is apparent in all of the independent methods of calculating global temperature change is also confirmed by other independent observations, such as the melting of mountain glaciers on every continent, reductions in the extent of snow cover, earlier blooming of plants in spring, a shorter ice season on lakes and rivers, ocean heat content, reduced arctic sea ice, and rising sea levels.
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1038. Ossqss 3:06 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
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1039. Neapolitan 9:35 AM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:


The left-wing Associated Press reported the story as well. How are you going to skew that one?

Link




Well, that's a different story, of course; in #1008, I was referring to the James Taylor piece in Forbes where he stated "New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism", not the one about the Arctic scientist who's the subject of a political witch hunt.

Now, so long as we're talking about that Forbes story: while the denialosphere blew up yesterday with trumpeting Spencer's latest, scientists around the globe have been pretty unanimous in their reaction. Some quotes from a LiveScience article:

"It is not newsworthy" Daniel Murphy, NOAA cloud researcher

"I cannot believe it got published" Kevin Trenberth, NCAR senior scientist

"He's taken an incorrect model, he's tweaked it to match observations, but the conclusions you get from that are not correct...[however] it makes the skeptics feel good" Andrew Dessler, atmospheric sciences professor at Texas A&M

"If you want to do a story then write one pointing to the ridiculousness of people jumping onto every random press release as if well-established science gets dismissed on a dime. Climate sensitivity is not constrained by the last two decades of imperfect satellite data, but rather the paleoclimate record." Gavin Schmidt, NASA Goddard scientist

And from the text of the article:

"Mainstream climate scientists say that the argument advanced in the paper is neither new nor correct."

"No climate scientist contacted by LiveScience agreed [with Spencer's conclusion]"

"Researchers pointed to flaws in Spencer's paper, including an 'unrealistic' model placing clouds as the driver of warming and a lack of information about the statistical significance of the temperatures observed by the satellites."

"Spencer himself is up front about the politics surrounding his work. In July, he wrote on his blog that his job 'has helped save our economy from the economic ravages of out-of-control environmental extremism, and said he viewed his role as protecting 'the interests of the taxpayer.'"

- - - - - - - - -

Many scientists seek scientific truth; I suppose Spencer should at least be given points for being honest enough to admit that that search for truth isn't his first priority.
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1040. seflagamma 2:19 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

By James Taylor | Forbes %u2013 Wed, Jul 27, 2011

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.


"The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is "not much"). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA's ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth's atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth's atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.

When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a "huge discrepancy" between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News.

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1041. seflagamma 2:24 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
worth reposting...
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1043. nymore 3:04 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Well this certainly is good news for NASA. Gavin Schmidt who works for NASA says NASA satellites are junk. All the people using these satellites for any observations can throw out that information as it is unreliable. Sea surface temps gone, ocean heat content gone, ice volume gone, ice extent gone, temperatures over land gone, water vapor in the atmosphere gone and all other measurements done by satellites gone unless they agree with your narrative then they are accurate if not they are imperfect. For me and other tax payers this should be good news as we can get rid of the GISS or Goddard Institute for Space Studies since their satellites are no good I am not sure why they keep wasting our money with satellites that can not be trusted. I am sure his bosses will be impressed to know that Gavin thinks their own satellites suck, I will be amazed if Gavin has a job much longer with NASA. I know if he worked for me and told the public the machines we use are unreliable. I would tell him to go to the office as his check will be waiting for him.
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1044. Neapolitan 3:19 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Worth posting:

Climate Change Debunked? Not So Fast

New research suggesting that cloud cover, not carbon dioxide, causes global warming is getting buzz in climate skeptic circles. But mainstream climate scientists dismissed the research as unrealistic and politically motivated.

"It is not newsworthy," Daniel Murphy, a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) cloud researcher, wrote in an email to LiveScience.

The study, published July 26 in the open-access online journal Remote Sensing, got public attention when a writer for The Heartland Institute, a libertarian think-tank that promotes climate change skepticism, wrote for Forbes magazine that the study disproved the global warming worries of climate change "alarmists." However, mainstream climate scientists say that the argument advanced in the paper is neither new nor correct. The paper's author, University of Alabama, Huntsville researcher Roy Spencer, is a climate change skeptic and controversial figure within the climate research community.

"He's taken an incorrect model, he's tweaked it to match observations, but the conclusions you get from that are not correct," Andrew Dessler, a professor of atmospheric sciences at Texas A&M University, said of Spencer's new study.


Spencer's research hinges on the role of clouds in climate change. Mainstream climate researchers agree that climate change happens when carbon dioxide traps heat from the sun in the atmosphere, much in the same way that a windshield traps solar heat in a car on a sunny afternoon. As the planet warms, a side effect is more water vapor in the atmosphere. This water vapor, known to most of us as clouds, traps more heat, creating a viscous loop.

Spencer sees it differently. He thinks that the whole cycle starts with the clouds. In other words, random increases in cloud cover cause climate warming. The cloud changes are caused by "chaos in the climate system," Spencer told LiveScience.

In the new paper, Spencer looked at satellite data from 2000 to 2010 to compare cloud cover and surface temperatures. Using a simple model, he linked the two, finding, he said, that clouds drive warming. His comparisons of his data with six Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) models showed, he said, that the models are too sensitive (meaning some variables, such as warming, increase at the slightest change in other factors) and that carbon dioxide is not likely to cause much warming at all.

However, no climate scientist contacted by LiveScience agreed.

The study finds a mismatch between the month-to-month variations in temperature and cloud cover in models versus the real world over the past 10 years, said Gavin Schmidt, a NASA Goddard climatologist. "What this mismatch is due to %u2014 data processing, errors in the data or real problems in the models %u2014 is completely unclear."

Other researchers pointed to flaws in Spencer's paper, including an "unrealistic" model placing clouds as the driver of warming and a lack of information about the statistical significance of the observed temperature changes. Statistical significance is the likelihood of results being real, as opposed to chance fluctuations unrelated to the other variables in the experiment.

"I cannot believe it got published," said Kevin Trenberth, a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

Several researchers expressed frustration that the study was attracting media attention.

"If you want to do a story then write one pointing to the ridiculousness of people jumping onto every random press release as if well-established science gets dismissed on a dime," Schmidt said. "Climate sensitivity is not constrained by the last two decades of imperfect satellite data, but rather the paleoclimate record."


Spencer agreed that his work could not disprove the existence of manmade global warming. But he dismissed research on the ancient climate, calling it a "gray science."

The science of Spencer's work proved inextricable from the political debate surrounding global warming. The paper was mostly unnoticed in the public sphere until the Forbes blogger declared it "extremely important."

Dessler, the A&M climatologist said that he doubted the research would shift the political debate around global warming.

Live Science Article...

And with that, it's back to the drawing board for the denialists, I suppose. Better luck next time, guys! Though frankly I don't need a teardown of the Spencer paper; anyone who can with a straight face work for Big Energy, support "Intelligent Design" over evolution, say that ideological motives are his primary concern, and still claim authority is someone who definitely does not deserve to wear the title "credible". Or "scientist", for that matter.

Silly denialists.
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1045. JBastardi 3:20 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Want to know why the Arctic Wildlife "Expert" who started the fraud about the drowned polar bears is under investigation? Just read the transcript of his testimony before the IG. This is typical of all global warming "science." Under scrutiny, it all falls apart. I've never read such a conglomeration of nonsense in all my life.

Link
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1046. Neapolitan 3:40 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:
Want to know why the Arctic Wildlife "Expert" who started the fraud about the drowned polar bears is under investigation? Just read the transcript of his testimony before the IG. This is typical of all global warming "science." Under scrutiny, it all falls apart. I've never read such a conglomeration of nonsense in all my life.

Link

I've read the transcripts elsewhere, and it sounds like a couple of scientists doing their job diligently and honestly. If observational or calculation errors were made, that's why scientific results always need independent verification. So no loss. At the end, Monnett himself notes that even if they were "sloppy", that doesn't mean there was any intent to deceive.

The entire Monnett witch hunt is very clearly timed to obfuscate the truth about climate change, to sully the waters so decisionmakers can't see the bottom. Big Energy wants to drill up thataway, and they'll stop at nothing to please their shareholders, even if that means destroying a man's professional career.

But I do award the opinion page to which you linked the coveted seal:

Denialist Approved
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1047. nymore 3:41 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
I can find nothing that says Spencer receives money from the fossil fuel industry. Also saying he is not credible because of a religious view is stooping to a level that is low even for you Neo.
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1048. greentortuloni 3:46 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:
Want to know why the Arctic Wildlife "Expert" who started the fraud about the drowned polar bears is under investigation? Just read the transcript of his testimony before the IG. This is typical of all global warming "science." Under scrutiny, it all falls apart. I've never read such a conglomeration of nonsense in all my life.

Link


Ah, don't read your own comments then?

Funny, how (assuming you are right) one example makes you feel validated while all the hundreds of links to trash slanted articles that you have posted are ignored.

I'm being really serious, not trying to attack you, though it probably sounds like it. But this really is what you have done. Doesn't it bother you 1) to do it. and 2) that you are so hypocritical?

Before you attack me, which I probably deserve, can yuo please stop and consider the question: why is it ok for you to publish these links to articles that you know are biased?
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1049. nymore 3:52 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Since none of you man made global warming believers has a problem with Gavin Schmidt saying their satellites can not be trusted I don't wanna see anymore graphs or information from their satellites posted here as we have been told by Gavin they are unreliable. BBL
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1050. JBastardi 3:55 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Quoting greentortuloni:


Ah, don't read your own comments then?

Funny, how (assuming you are right) one example makes you feel validated while all the hundreds of links to trash slanted articles that you have posted are ignored.

I'm being really serious, not trying to attack you, though it probably sounds like it. But this really is what you have done. Doesn't it bother you 1) to do it. and 2) that you are so hypocritical?

Before you attack me, which I probably deserve, can yuo please stop and consider the question: why is it ok for you to publish these links to articles that you know are biased?


The article was simply a transcript of how a so-called scientist invented the drowning of many polar bears due to global warming, when he only saw three dead bears that drowned due to a severe winter storm. Al Gore used this fraudulent science as the basis for part of his movie. If that isn't bias, I don't know what is. This "scientist" is now under investigation for that fraud. Did you even read the transcript? As for bias, anything released by the government is biased. A culture of corruption exists among gov't-employed climate scientists. If they don't spout the gov't propaganda, they don't eat. The more the info they release is scrutinized, the more it is seen that they manipulate the numbers. Even NASA scientists themselves are starting to doubt the veracity of their info. If you have read the previous links on this blog posted by me and others, you can see how this charade is slowing falling apart.

As far as my articles being ignored, they are only ignored by people with a preconceived notion that AGW is real. No one with an open mind ignores them. As far as attacking you, it would do no good. That's the modus operandi of warmists. Snide comments because they can hide behind that computer monitor.

Edit: Belief in AGW usually goes hand in hand with liberal ideology. Several psychologists and psychiatrists have recently written books explaining the mental disorder of liberalism.
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1051. PurpleDrank 3:58 PM GMT on July 29, 2011    
Dr. Spencer sure got you guys motivated today, I see.

haha
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