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By: SayNoToTea , 2:29 PM GMT on August 06, 2012

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Ignorance Breeds Fear and Fear Breeds Hate



Unfortunately hear at Wunderground we are shown this very fact daily by those of the far right who revel in their ignorance and spew blog after blog filled with lies and hate. Yes, they in their small way are responsible for this murder

Hate breeds our own terrorists, too
By Peter Gelzinis
Monday, August 6, 2012 -

Two weeks ago, it was a movie theater in Colorado. Yesterday, it was a Sikh temple in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek.

This time, the shooter did not surrender to police as James Holmes did after he allegedly massacred a dozen people who came to watch a Batman movie.

No, this time police were forced to kill the gunman during a firefight that nearly claimed the life of one of the first responders.

And this time, local police did not hesitate to call it what it was: “domestic terrorism.”

It may take a bit longer before we hear about what strain of hatred, or delusion, that compelled another citizen bent on mass murder to enter a house of worship, where people were exercising a fundamental American freedom, and kill six of them.

Oak Creek’s police chief, John Edwards, did not elaborate on his definition of “domestic terrorism.”

But then he didn’t have to.

Certainly not to those shocked and heartbroken members of a Sikh congregation, who felt deep in their hearts that they had been ambushed by an all too familiar hate.

In the scramble to provide some context to this latest burst of slaughter yesterday afternoon, members of the Sikh community had to define themselves to a national TV audience by reminding us of who they were not.

Sikhs are not Muslims.

But of course that didn’t stop the same hate-filled people who screamed about “towel heads” after the bombing in Oklahoma City from focusing their vengeance upon Sikhs in the weeks and months after the 9/11 attacks.

Last night, news helicopters hovered above an address where teams of FBI agents secured a warrant to the dead suspect’s home, just as they had two weeks before in Aurora.

Once again, the same government agents on that never-ending hunt for foreign terrorists among us were in the process of excavating the twisted story of yet another domestic terrorist who, again, may look a lot like the guy next door.

Perhaps the deeper meaning of “domestic terrorism” is that within the space of two weeks, another group of people in our country going about the simple business of living their lives, were cut down. Can there be anything sadder, or more terrifying?

The dead of Aurora have hardly been laid in their graves, and we must brace for another round of stories about lives lost to savagery ... as well as lives saved by extraordinary acts of courage usually reserved for a battlefield.

And the worst part of all is that I’m sure this latest piece of insanity will be followed by the obscene logic that this tragedy could have been averted if only one member of the Sikh community had come to the temple yesterday carrying a gun

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17. unclemush
2:15 PM GMT on August 08, 2012
Link 'Swimming upstream,' white supremacist groups still strong
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16. unclemush
5:34 PM GMT on August 07, 2012
Link GOP candidate in Ohio compares Obama to Hitler, Mao and Stalin
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15. unclemush
4:59 PM GMT on August 07, 2012
Link Gunman who opened fire in Wisconsin Sikh temple exhorted other white supremacists to act
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14. SayNoToTea
2:44 PM GMT on August 07, 2012
An as an aside, I accept criticism, clarification and disagreement in my blog, unless it is just another typical none response by those that only want to make a name for themslves showing how well they can be rude and offensive. You have your own blogs which i am assured you will do very well at.
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13. SayNoToTea
2:38 PM GMT on August 07, 2012
Actually Pongo you are very right as it would appear what you are showing is a world wide view as compared to an American viewpoint. Country by country has a different view of right and left values compared to one another and many countries values left and right are further defined by militant or not. However, not as much here in America as shown in my posts from both reporters and even in our own governemnt reports.

I also agree that we do not have all the facts, however if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. However my point is not so much about the "duck", rather the pervasiveness of hate speech by the far right that are triggers for these events.
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11. unclemush
10:21 AM GMT on August 07, 2012
Don't forget the KKK!
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10. unclemush
10:21 AM GMT on August 07, 2012
Link Federal agency warns of radicals on right
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9. unclemush
10:16 AM GMT on August 07, 2012
Link Right-Wing Terrorism: Arson, Bombs, and Break-Ins at Women's Clinics Seek to Instill Fear
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8. unclemush
10:13 AM GMT on August 07, 2012
Link Terror From the Right
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6. SayNoToTea
9:45 PM GMT on August 06, 2012
Sikh temple shooting: A ‘lone wolf’ in Wisconsin
By Jonathan Capehart


The Department of Homeland Security warned us about the likes of Wade Michael Page, the alleged gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisc.

In an April 2009 report , entitled, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” DHS warned that “lone wolves . . . embracing violent right-wing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.” It went on to say that “white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy — separate from any formalized group — which hampers warning efforts.” And it noted that military expertise and knowledge made lone wolves especially dangerous.

DHS: Rightwing Extremism report

There was no warning for the Sikhs who gathered for a post-service meal just before 11:30 a.m. ET. Page allegedly walked inside and opened fire with a semi-automatic weapon. Four were killed inside the building. Two were killed outside the building. Three others were injured. Page was killed by police. According to the Pentagon, Page was in the Army from 1992 to 1998. The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Page as “a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band.” That band was called “End Apathy.”

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was skewered for releasing the 2009 report. But she was right to do so. Folks tried to make it a partisan issue, even though the report was requested by President George W. Bush. Authorship doesn’t matter as much as the information inside. And, sadly, the scary warnings have proven prescient.
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5. SayNoToTea
7:20 PM GMT on August 06, 2012
When I first started blogging here I mentioned how thetea party most outspoken were the older white male and even showed examples of how they were afraid that the days of the white male leadership were numbered. I said at the time how dangerously rascist that thinking was and here is a prime example of just that.


Here's The Sick Meaning Of The Tattoo On Temple Shooting Suspect Page's Arm
Jim Edwards | Aug. 6, 2012, 12:10 PM

Wade Michael Page's neo-Nazi tattoo.
In one of the photos of Sikh Temple shooting suspect Wade Michael Page you can see a large cross with the number "14" tattooed atop his bicep.

Lots of people have Celtic, tribal or religious tattoos these days.

But that's not what Page's tattoo is all about.

In this case, the Celtic cross — a square cross overlaying a circle — is the symbol of the neo-Nazi White Power movement and the official logo of Stormfront, the online community for political racists.

We know that's likely the true meaning of the Page's cross because he has the number 14 tattooed in the middle of it. According to the United Methodist Church's compilation of hate symbols, and the Anti-Defamation League, in fascist culture, "14" stands for 14 words in a quote from imprisoned white supremacist David Lane:

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."


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4. auburn (Mod)
5:33 PM GMT on August 06, 2012
I agree..
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3. SayNoToTea
5:14 PM GMT on August 06, 2012
If they had been "God fearing Christians" or white they would come out of the woodwork to talk about this. Howeveer, these are people who are disdained due to the color of their skin and clothing that does not comform to the norm and so in a very sad way they are feared and shunned as they are different.
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2. auburn (Mod)
4:45 PM GMT on August 06, 2012
whats sad is no one is talking about this ..even on Facebook..
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1. SayNoToTea
4:42 PM GMT on August 06, 2012
Sikh gunman washed out of Army
Comments 31 By John Bacon, USA TODAY Updated 43m ago The man who fatally shot six people at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin was identified today as Army veteran Wade Michael Page, 40, who washed out of the military in 1998 after a six-year hitch.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, says on its website that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band known as End Apathy.


FBI agents walk the perimeter of the Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis.CAPTIONBy M. Spencer Green, APHeidi Beirich, director of the center's intelligence project, tells the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that her group had been tracking Page since 2000, when he tried to purchase goods from the National Alliance, a well-known hate group.

Beirich says there was "no question" Page was an ardent follower and believer in the white supremacist movement. She said her center had evidence that he attended "hate events" around the country.

"He was involved in the scene," she said.

Page enlisted in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. CBS reports that Page served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations there.

The Associated Press reports that such specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for influencing foreign populations.

The New York Post reports that Page was a Hawk missile system repair specialist before moving on to psychological operations.

The details of his discharge were not immediately clear, although CNN says a military source cites "patterns of misconduct."

The Journal Sentinel reports that Page apparently worked as a truck driver with Granger, Iowa-based Barr-Nunn Transportation, from about April 2006 to August 2010 while living in Fayetteville, N.C.

An employee at the company told the newspaper that Page left "involuntarily"" but declined to elaborate.

The only criminal contact it had on Page was a charge of writing a worthless check in October 1997, the Journal Sentinel reports.

In Cudahy, Amber Young, 14, said she saw the suspect walking his black Labrador on several occasions and that Page had a 9/11 tattoo on his upper right arm.

The tattoo said, "9/11" and "had a bunch of descriptions and stuff," Young tells the paper.

Wade was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage. CBS, citing unnamed sources, says evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.

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