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Not only can the tunnels weaken a hurricane and restore summertime Northern Arctic Ice extent but they can also make many many Mega Watts to sell to the public to pay for the project and make a nice profit from them. It just depends on how much cooling you want from them while in cooling phase. A great advantage is the ability to REGULATE SST's over anytime period with them. Can also be used with OTEC technology.Importation of Fossil Fuels are are no longer needed and they can restore our climate back to what it was prior to the industrial revolution.The benefits from them are in YOUR favor!

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Yes, I have spoken with Patrick, and, yes, a scheme somewhat like the one he describes could weaken hurricanes threatening places like Miami that have strong western-margin currents just offshore. There are, however, numerous qualifications.

The scheme that we discussed involved an array of several rows devices across the Gulfstream. Each device would be a rectangular duct 140 m long and 10 by 14 m in cross section. Normally the devices would be moored horizontally at a depth of 100m with their long axes aligned with the current flow. They would be nearly neutrally buoyant. When a hurricane approached, ballast at the downstream end of the channel would be released, allowing the device to float up to a 45 deg angle. Cold water entering the upstream end would flow up to the surface and mix with the warmer water there. Since the mixture would be negatively buoyant, it would sink. But mixing due to several (3-10) lines of these devices could cool the surface waters of the Gulfstream by 1-2C, enough to weaken an Andrew-like hurricane from category 5 to category 3. A rough calculation indicates that a device every 100 m on each line of moorings (~1000 devices per ~100 km line) and 3-10 lines of moorings would be required. My guess is that it would cost $250K to fabricate and deploy a single device, but there might be economies of scale. One might also be able to optimize the size and spacing of the devices.

Let's say that careful calculation told us that 4 lines of 1000 devices each would do the trick. At $0.25M per device, the cost works out to 4*1000*($0.25M) = $1000M. The actual cost might range from a few hundred million to a small multiple of a (US = 1000M) billion. One would want to do a detailed simulation before defining the scope of the project, but the basic notion is conversion of some of the kinetic energy of the Gulfstream into gravitational potential energy of the mixed water column. Again, I've not done that detailed simulation, only back-of-the-envelope calculations.

Activation of the array would require accurate forecasting since it would take several days for the effect to make its way from south of the Dry Tortugas (optimum location for protecting the maximum amount of shoreline) to the landfall point.

South Florida gets hit by a category 4 or 5 hurricane at every few years, but the really damaging ones like Andrew tend to be once-a-generation events, or less frequent. The array would need to be deployed and maintained for a long time between activations that actually safeguard property, although false alarms would not be particularly costly. Annual maintenance could easily exceed 10% of initial deployment cost. Bear in mind that Key West to Jacksonville is the only stretch of US coastline where this strategy would work. The other vulnerable sites, Houston-Galveston and New Orleans, lack the necessary strong offshore currents. While Georgia and the Carolinas also experience many hurricane landfalls and have the Gulfstream offshore, most of these cyclones are already weakening because of vertical shear of the horizontal wind so that a second installation north of Jacksonville would be much less useful.

There has been a lot of talk about using wave and current energy to cool the ocean ahead of hurricanes. My general conclusion is that while these ideas might be made to work, the proponents underestimate the scope of the required effort, as well as the political will and recurring cost necessary to keep the project going in the long intervals between really damaging hurricanes. Skeptic that I am, I think that wiser land-use policy and more rigorous building standards are much more cost-effective and more politically feasible. A proof-of-concept that might entail deploying a half dozen devices has some appeal, but I think that there are more promising ways to spend disaster-prevention money.

Best regards,

Hugh Willoughby

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10. cyclonebuster 8:57 PM GMT on August 15, 2011 +1

Quoting LRandyB:


LOL You're persistent... I'll give you that!

I didn't think there was ever an argument over whether or not the idea would work. If you can cool the ocean surface, you'll weaken a storm. That's a known. And the method you suggest could certainly do that. But the problem is (and the gist of the information you posted says it) that it is not cost effective. The literally billions of dollars it would cost to deploy and millions if not billions of dollars it would take to maintain such an array is better spent in some other method such as better hurricane proof construction.



Ah! But there is a HUGE and GIGANTIC power factor associated with them also! That will pay the bills and make them profitable also! You with me? I am going to need quite a few electricians about 4000 of them. LOL!


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175. cyclonebuster
9:51 PM GMT on August 21, 2014
Quoting 174. George1938:

if they ever were able to stop storms like honestly I would die inside and never be the same again


How about just weakening them 3 categories?
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174. George1938
8:42 PM GMT on August 21, 2014
if they ever were able to stop storms like honestly I would die inside and never be the same again
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173. cyclonebuster
7:04 PM GMT on August 14, 2014
CRISTOBAL EYE @ 16.5N 58W WNW @ 18MPH


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172. cyclonebuster
12:55 AM GMT on July 02, 2014
You can see cdo and eye moving WNW... CLICK LINK...


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171. cyclonebuster
7:00 PM GMT on June 30, 2014
Arthurs eye @ 79.0W 27.0N... Stationary..




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170. cyclonebuster
9:12 PM GMT on June 27, 2014
Arthur at 94W 28N....

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169. cyclonebuster
1:34 PM GMT on June 26, 2014
List of MIT Climate CoLab proposals on my profile page here :

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168. cyclonebuster
9:27 PM GMT on June 20, 2014
30N 80W ..Nice vorticity. Link

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167. cyclonebuster
8:12 PM GMT on January 23, 2014
Quoting 166. DaveFive:
Hello cyclonebuster,
I'm Dave from San Jose, CA. I have read both the links and the blog article. That is a very interesting display of the new graphic of the underground tunnel. Has this already been built and used? If so, how did it work out?



It has been tested once I have a video on youtube....Physically it works so it is a no brainer to go ahead and engineer this idea of mine...
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166. DaveFive
10:10 AM GMT on January 18, 2014
Hello cyclonebuster,
I'm Dave from San Jose, CA. I have read both the links and the blog article. That is a very interesting display of the new graphic of the underground tunnel. Has this already been built and used? If so, how did it work out?
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165. cyclonebuster
11:53 PM GMT on December 14, 2013
Ocean Tunnels

Ocean tunnels are proposed by Patrick McNulty as a way to combat global warming. Many of these tunnels, lined up across the Gulf Stream and the Kuroshio Current, could supply large quantities of clean energy to the North American East Coast and to East Asia.

Such tunnels can supply energy continuously, i.e. 24 hours a day, all year, making them suitable to supply base load energy as currently generated by coal-fired power plants and nuclear power plants.

Ocean tunnels thus hold the potential to supply huge amounts of clean energy and facilitate a rapid move to a sustainable economy, as part of the comprehensive and effective action needed to combat climate change. This is pictured in the image below under part 1.


Ocean Tunnels can be combined with Ocean thermal energy conversion (OTEC) methods that use the temperature difference between cooler deeper parts of the ocean and warmer surface waters to run a heat engine to produce energy. Once such a system is in place, it has access to both deeper parts of the ocean and to surface waters, while generating a lot of energy. Such a system can also be used to pull up sunken nutrients from the depth of the ocean and put them out at surface level to fertilize the waters there, while the colder water that is the output of OTEC will float down, taking along newly-grown plankton to the ocean depths before it can revert to CO2, as described in the earlier post Using the Oceans to Remove CO2 from the Atmosphere.

Additionally, tunnels also hold the potential to divert warm water elsewhere and to move colder water into places that could otherwise get too warm, i.e. part 2. (Heat management) of the above action plan, more specifically management of water temperature.

A comprehensive action plan will need to consider a wide range of action. A warming Arctic results in changes to the Jet Stream, in turn making that more extreme weather can be expected, as illustrated by the video below, by Paul Beckwith.


In July 2013, water off the coast of North America reached 'Record Warmest' temperatures and proceeded to travel to the Arctic Ocean, where it is still warming up the seabed, resulting in huge emissions of methane from the Arctic Ocean's seafloor.
NOAA: part of the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of North America reached record warmest temperatures in July 2013
Diversion of ocean currents could reduce warming of the waters in the Arctic. As the image below shows, warm water is carried by the Gulf Stream all the way into the Arctic Ocean.



Warming up of the waters in the Arctic is threatening to cause release of huge quantities of methane that is held in sediments under the seabed, as discussed in the post Quantifying Arctic Methane.


References

- Climate change: Solutions to a big problem
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/05/climate-c hange-solutions-to-a-big-problem.html

- Arctic Methane Release and Rapid Temperature Rise are interlinked
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/11/arctic-me thane-release-and-rapid-temperature-rise-are-inter linked.html

- Causes of high methane levels over Arctic Ocean
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/10/causes-of -high-methane-levels-over-arctic-ocean.html

- Quantifying Arctic Methane
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/11/quantifyi ng-arctic-methane.html

Posted by Sam Carana at 12/13/2013 07:08:00 PM Labels: arctic, Gulf Stream, methane, ocean, Patrick McNulty, Paul Beckwith, tunnels




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164. cyclonebuster
10:33 PM GMT on November 18, 2013
What's with Dr. Ricky Roods blog?????
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163. cyclonebuster
5:14 AM GMT on October 03, 2013
How will the Government shutdown effect Government response to Karen if it forms and hits?
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162. cyclonebuster
8:20 PM GMT on August 19, 2013
Watching 85W 25N in GOM ...
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161. cyclonebuster
5:57 PM GMT on August 19, 2013
Watching 84W 25N in GOM ...
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150. cyclonebuster
2:00 PM GMT on August 15, 2013
WATCHING 86W & 20N NNW AT 7
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149. cyclonebuster
3:35 AM GMT on August 15, 2013
WATCHING 84W & 19N NW AT 5
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148. cyclonebuster
9:13 PM GMT on August 14, 2013
000
ABNT20 KNHC 141731
TWOAT

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT WED AUG 14 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA IS
MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST AT 10 TO 15 MPH. CLOUDINESS AND
SHOWERS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LOW CONTINUE TO SHOW SIGNS OF
ORGANIZATION...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM BEFORE THE
DISTURBANCE REACHES THE YUCATAN PENINSULA ON THURSDAY. AFTER
THAT...THIS WEATHER SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO MOVE OVER THE GULF OF
MEXICO...WHERE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS WILL LIKELY BE A LITTLE LESS
FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS...AND A HIGH CHANCE...70 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT A
TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMS...HEAVY RAINS AND GUSTY WINDS ARE FORECAST
TO SPREAD OVER THE YUCATAN PENINSULA AND BELIZE DURING THE NEXT DAY
OR TWO...AND INTERESTS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS
OF THIS DISTURBANCE.

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147. cyclonebuster
8:37 PM GMT on August 14, 2013
WATCHING 83.5W & 18N WNW AT 10
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146. cyclonebuster
7:41 PM GMT on August 14, 2013
WATCHING 83W & 18N WNW AT 10
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145. cyclonebuster
5:43 PM GMT on August 14, 2013
ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT WED AUG 14 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

1. THE BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA IS
MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST AT 10 TO 15 MPH. CLOUDINESS AND
SHOWERS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LOW CONTINUE TO SHOW SIGNS OF
ORGANIZATION...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM BEFORE THE
DISTURBANCE REACHES THE YUCATAN PENINSULA ON THURSDAY. AFTER
THAT...THIS WEATHER SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO MOVE OVER THE GULF OF
MEXICO...WHERE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS WILL LIKELY BE A LITTLE LESS
FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS...AND A HIGH CHANCE...70 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT A
TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMS...HEAVY RAINS AND GUSTY WINDS ARE FORECAST
TO SPREAD OVER THE YUCATAN PENINSULA AND BELIZE DURING THE NEXT DAY
OR TWO...AND INTERESTS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS
OF THIS DISTURBANCE.

2. CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS ASSOCIATED WITH A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED
A COUPLE OF HUNDRED MILES SOUTHEAST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS
REMAIN WELL ORGANIZED...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM LATER
TODAY OR ON THURSDAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...70
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
AFTER THAT...THE LOW WILL BE MOVING INTO A LESS FAVORABLE
ENVIRONMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...80
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.
REGARDLESS OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT...THIS SYSTEM WILL LIKELY
BRING SHOWERS AND GUSTY WINDS TO THE SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS
LATER TODAY AND THURSDAY AS IT MOVES WESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH.
INTERESTS IN THESE ISLANDS SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS
SYSTEM.

FIVE-DAY FORMATION PROBABILITIES ARE EXPERIMENTAL IN 2013. COMMENTS
ON THE EXPERIMENTAL FORECASTS CAN BE PROVIDED AT...

HTTP://WWW.NWS.NOAA.GOV/SURVEY/NWS-SURVEY.PHP?COD E=ETWO

FORECASTER AVILA/BRENNAN

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144. cyclonebuster
2:04 PM GMT on August 14, 2013
ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT WED AUG 14 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

1. SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE COULD BE
FORMING BETWEEN THE NORTHEASTERN TIP OF HONDURAS AND THE CAYMAN
ISLANDS WHERE THE SHOWER ACTIVITY HAS BECOME CONCENTRATED DURING THE
PAST SEVERAL HOURS. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE FAVORABLE FOR ADDITIONAL
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS DISTURBANCE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS...AS
IT MOVES NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH TOWARD THE YUCATAN PENINSULA
AND SOUTHERN GULF OF MEXICO. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...50
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS...AND A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS. INTERESTS IN THE YUCATAN PENINSULA
AND THE SOUTHERN GULF OF MEXICO SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS
DISTURBANCE.

2. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM
LOCATED A FEW HUNDRED MILES SOUTHEAST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS
CONTINUE TO SHOW SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION. ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS
ARE CONDUCIVE FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS...AND THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF BECOMING
A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. AFTER THAT TIME...THE
LOW WILL BE MOVING TOWARD A LESS FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT...WHICH
COULD LIMIT DEVELOPMENT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.
INTERESTS IN THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF
THIS SYSTEM.

FIVE-DAY FORMATION PROBABILITIES ARE EXPERIMENTAL IN 2013. COMMENTS
ON THE EXPERIMENTAL FORECASTS CAN BE PROVIDED AT...

HTTP://WWW.NWS.NOAA.GOV/SURVEY/NWS-SURVEY.PHP?COD E=ETWO

FORECASTER AVILA


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143. cyclonebuster
1:50 PM GMT on August 14, 2013
Afterburners on..

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142. cyclonebuster
1:37 PM GMT on August 14, 2013
WATCHING 83W & 17.5N WNW AT 10
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140. cyclonebuster
10:05 PM GMT on August 13, 2013
WATCHING 79W & 17.5N WNW AT 5.. Right down there about where Camille started...

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139. cyclonebuster
8:54 PM GMT on August 13, 2013
WATCHING 81W & 17N WNW AT 15..
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137. cyclonebuster
3:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2013
Quoting 136. yoboi:



not much going on there........


It has moved more Westward today now watching 79W & 17N
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136. yoboi
11:01 PM GMT on August 12, 2013
Quoting 135. cyclonebuster:
WATCHING 74W & 15N & 30W & 9N



not much going on there........
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135. cyclonebuster
9:51 PM GMT on August 12, 2013
WATCHING 74W & 15N & 30W & 9N
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131. cyclonebuster
1:28 PM GMT on August 08, 2013
LOL! Yesterday it had a 0% chance over a 5 day period but today it has a 10% chance...


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130. cyclonebuster
7:18 AM GMT on August 08, 2013
Quoting 129. yoboi:



Please explain what you are seeing that they are missing..........


Look at these coordinates..

66w&13n and 53w&13n both w@15... Low level circulations with intense thunderstorms firing near the center off and on.... I call them low level vorticities that need to be watched very carefully...
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129. yoboi
1:37 AM GMT on August 08, 2013
Quoting 128. cyclonebuster:


Two of them..



Please explain what you are seeing that they are missing..........
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128. cyclonebuster
1:31 AM GMT on August 08, 2013
Quoting 127. yoboi:



You think the NHC is blowing a forecast???????


Two of them..
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127. yoboi
1:25 AM GMT on August 07, 2013
Quoting 126. cyclonebuster:


They are blind...



You think the NHC is blowing a forecast???????
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126. cyclonebuster
1:24 AM GMT on August 07, 2013
Quoting 125. yoboi:




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NO ERIN...............


They are blind...
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125. yoboi
1:16 AM GMT on August 07, 2013
Quoting 124. cyclonebuster:


erin@49w14nfernand@60w@14n bothwnw@15




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NO ERIN...............
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