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National Weather Service Twin Cities/Chanhassen Minnesota
416 PM CDT sun Oct 23 2016

Short term...(this evening through monday)
issued at 415 PM CDT sun Oct 23 2016

Cloudy, cool and breezy conditions were the norm today across
Minnesota and western Wisconsin in the wake of a cold front that
passed across the area this morning. The front was just entering
eastern Minnesota around sunrise, but strong northwest flow has
pushed the front into southern Wisconsin and Illinois this
afternoon. As the front and weak surface low exited the area, high
pressure has continued to build across the northern plains this
afternoon. The high pressure will slide overhead late tonight,
which should make for a very chilly Monday morning - as we expect
the wind to become light and the clouds to eventually clear late
this evening or tonight. This is especially true in west central
and central Minnesota where winds should drop off late this evening. It
looks like widespread low to mid 30s are likely outside the core
Twin Cities Metro with even mid to upper 20s possible in low
lying areas. Even though heights build slowly tomorrow, a cool day
is expected after a chilly start. There is little temperature
advection and weak boundary layer flow to promote mixing tomorrow
afternoon. There may also be a cirrus deck overhead. There is
pretty good model guidance consensus of low to mid 50s for highs

Long term...(monday night through sunday)
issued at 415 PM CDT sun Oct 23 2016

Biggest weather feature for the week ahead continues to be the
rainmaker for Tuesday afternoon into Wednesday morning. Beyond
Thursday, confidence in the forecast is very low, with the European model (ecmwf) and
GFS about 180 degrees out of phase when it comes to placement of
surface features this weekend.

Our storm for Tuesday is currently moving on to the central
California coast as it is rounding the base of a deep low off the
Washington coast. This wave is pretty well forecast by the models to
strengthen as it is going across Iowa Tuesday night. This system
will have two phases. During the day Tuesday, isentropically forced
precip will break out from west central Minnesota toward northeast Iowa,
with a more dynamically forced heavy burst of rain expected Tuesday
night into Wednesday morning down along the Minnesota/Iowa border into
central WI as the main upper wave moves through.

One trend we have seen with the models is for a little less quantitative precipitation forecast
overall, with the 3.5" total amounts we had been seeing with the
NCEP models now down closer to 2.75", with the European model (ecmwf) showing a half
inch lower trend in quantitative precipitation forecast as well. This makes sense given how quickly
the most intense forcing and associated high precip rates come
through. In addition, the European model (ecmwf) shifted south some, with it's
heaviest rain down in northeast Iowa into southwest WI. Fortunately,
this is an all rain event as we should see a pretty good gradient in
amounts across the Metro from south to north. The 23.12 gefs quantitative precipitation forecast
plumes show the gradient peril well at msp, with amounts ranging
from 0.1" to almost 2", the spread is an indication of the gradient
being nearby.

Based on 12z guidance, a couple of changes were made to the forecast
for this system. One, we continue to reduce pops in WI Tuesday
afternoon, with dry air from a surface high north of Lake Superior
looking to put a pretty hard stop over central and eastern Minnesota to the
isentropic rainfall Tuesday afternoon. Quantitative precipitation forecast was not changed much with
the blended forecast used being a pretty good split between the
ECMWF/GFS. Biggest change with quantitative precipitation forecast was a reduction in amounts with
rainfall during the day Tuesday as initial dry airmass looks to take
a bite out of the isentropic precip.

Behind this system, an upper ridge will build across the plains,
being downstream of the ridge, we will dry out for Thursday, but
once again, cold air behind this system is non existent, so we will
continue to run near to above normal for highs on Thursday.

After Thursday, models diverge significantly and confidence with the
forecast from Friday into the weekend is very low. The differences
Stem with the handling of a couple of troughs out in the Pacific.
The first will come ashore in the pac northwest Thursday, with a stronger
wave following into California Friday. The European model (ecmwf) deamplifies the
first wave pretty quick and has the second wave coming through here
over the weekend. The GFS plays up the first wave more, which delays
wave two locally to after the weekend. The differences they create
are kind of staggering, with the GFS bringing a warm sector in on
Friday with highs possibly pushing into the 70s. As the GFS brings a
front through, the European model (ecmwf) has a cool and dry surface high working
across Minnesota. The discrepancies continue into the weekend, with the
European model (ecmwf) showing wave two spreading rainfall across the area Saturday
night, with the GFS keeping US dry through the weekend. Given the
spread in the guidance, stuck with with blended guidance for Friday
through the weekend, though this is likely to change, possibly quite
a bit as we work through the week.


Aviation...(for the 18z tafs through 18z Monday afternoon)
issued at 116 PM CDT sun Oct 23 2016

The stratus clouds that started in northern Minnesota this morning
have made steady progress to the south this afternoon and have
brought MVFR ceilings to most of the taf sites. The clouds will
hang tough this afternoon as they are being reinforced by cool air
moving across the area. Late this afternoon or early this evening,
we expect a slow thinning of these clouds and some of the
airports under cloud cover now will see the ceilings scatter out.
That being said, we're getting to time of year where this happens
quite slowly.


We think this 2500-3000kft ceilings will be in place for the
remainder of the afternoon and possible early evening. There are
a few thin spots in central Minnesota and this layer where the clouds are
is forecast to slowly dry out with time, but it can happen quite
slowly this time of year.

/Outlook for kmsp/
Mon night...VFR. Winds becoming east-southeast at 5kt.
Tue...becoming MVFR with -ra. Chc IFR late. Wind southeast at 10g20kt.
Wed...MVFR/IFR with -ra early. Wind east-northeast at 5-10kt.
Thu...VFR. Wind west 5-10kt.


Mpx watches/warnings/advisories...


Short term...clf
long term...mpg

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