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A cautionary tale--the PETM
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:53 PM GMT on April 29, 2009 +5
One frequently hears comments like, "Earth has had many periods of warmth far exceeding the warmth of today's climate, so we should not be surprised if the current warming of the globe is a natural phenomena". This view is especially prevalent among geologists, who take a very long view of history and are among the most skeptical scientists regarding the reality of human-caused climate change. It is true that Earth's past has had many episodes of natural global warming that we can learn from. But the greatest natural global warming episode of the past 65 million years, the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) event of 55 million years ago, presents us with a cautionary tale of how massive releases of greenhouse gases--similar in scale to what humans are now producing--may cause extreme warming of the climate.

Earth's orbital variations--the most common form of natural global warming
The most common cause of natural global warming over time has been changes in Earth's orbit. Three oscillations in Earth's orbit with periods of 26,000, 41,000, and 100,000 years (called Milankovitch cycles) cause ice ages to be triggered when summer sunshine at 65°N reaches a minimum. The reduced sunlight over Canada, Siberia, and Scandinavia allows winter snowfall to persist through the summer, and thus accumulate and build Northern Hemisphere ice sheets. There isn't enough land in the Southern Hemisphere to allow large, land-based ice sheets to build there, so it is the growth and decay of Northern Hemisphere ice sheets that has controlled the timing of ice ages and warm inter-glacial periods over the past three million years. Earth's orbit is currently in a phase where the amount of sunlight falling at 65°N is changing very little. Thus, the primary mechanism for past natural global warming events is not to blame for the current warming. According to the "official" word on climate, the 2007 report of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the amount of sunlight falling at 65°N is expected to change little over the next 30,000 years, and "it is very unlikely that the Earth would naturally enter into another ice age for at least 30,000 years".

Pumping huge amounts of carbon into the atmosphere coincided with extreme climate warming during the PETM
Natural global warming has also occurred in the past due to changes in solar brightness, and natural emissions of natural carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (methane is the primary component of the natural gas we use to heat our homes, is a potent greenhouse gas 20 - 25 more effective at heating the Earth than than CO2, with a lifetime of about 9 years in the atmosphere before reacting with the OH radical to form CO2). I discussed one example of natural global warming in my previous post--volcanoes have emitted enough CO2 over time to account for a large portion of Earth's natural greenhouse effect. However, volcanoes only put about 1 - 3% as much CO2 per year into the atmosphere as human activities do. What, then, does Earth's past tell us about what might happen if we dump 100 times more carbon than volcanoes do into the atmosphere, over a period of a few centuries?

The end of Earth's Paleocene era, 55 million years ago, was a time of great warmth on planet Earth. Subtropical vegetation grew in Greenland and Patagonia, and crocodiles swam off the coast of Greenland. Sea surface temperatures at the North Pole were a toasty 64°F (18°C). Tropical palm forests in northern Wyoming played host to early primates. Despite the fact that the sun put out 0.5% less energy than today (equivalent to a global temperature that would be 0.5°C cooler), there was no polar ice cap or Greenland Ice Sheet. The higher temperatures of that era were probably due to high carbon dioxide levels of 560 - 600 ppm. This is far higher than the 280 ppm seen in the 1800s, and the 383 ppm as of 2009. The continents had a different configuration due to continental drift, and this may have kept the world warmer as well.


Figure 1. Global temperature change (right scale) as inferred from oxygen-18 isotope measurements (left scale) from fossil ocean microorganisms (Zachos et al., 2001). Oxygen-18 levels in these fossils are proportional to the temperatures of the era when the fossils were formed. The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (labeled PETM) shows a sharp upward spike in temperatures occurred. This spike is likely to be understated by a factor of 2 - 4 due to coarse sampling and averaging in this data set. For more detail, see the Wikipedia entry for the PETM.

Then, 55 million years ago, the fossil record shows that an extraordinary drop in the ratio of carbon-13 to carbon-12 occurred, indicating that a massive amount of "light" carbon with low levels of the carbon-13 isotope was emitted into the atmosphere in a very short amount of time--just 500 - 20,000 years. The most likely source of carbon-13 depleted carbon would have been methane from ocean sediments or land vegetation. If it was methane, about 1,000 - 2,000 gigatons of carbon would have had to be injected into the atmosphere, in order to account for the observed fossil deposits. For comparison, the total amount of carbon in today's atmosphere, primarily as CO2, is a factor of two or three less--about 810 gigatons. The fossil record shows that extreme climatic warming occurred nearly simultaneously with this massive release of carbon into the atmosphere. Global average temperatures rose 9°F (5°C) in a geological instant--1,000 - 10,000 years (Sluijs et al., 2007). Average sea surface temperatures at the North Pole reached 74°F (23°C). The warmth lasted 120,000 - 220,000 years before weathering of silicate rocks was able to remove the CO2 from the atmosphere and return the climate to its former state. This was the largest global warming event since the time of the dinosaurs, 65 million year ago (Moran et al., 2006). The resulting impact on Earth's climate was so severe that a new geological era was born--the Eocene. The warming event has been dubbed the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), since it occurred at the boundary of these two eras. Ocean circulation patterns changed radically during the first 5,000 years of the PETM (Nunes and Norris, 2006), and the deep oceans became 11°F (6°C) warmer, severely depleted in oxygen, and more acidic. A mass extinction of deep ocean microorganisms resulted, though the exact reasons remain unclear. The PETM did not cause mass extinctions on land of plants and animals, but a major turnover in mammalian life occurred at that time. Many of today's major mammalian orders emerged in the wake of the PETM. The new geological era it ushered in, the Eocene, is named for the Greek goddess of the dawn (Eos), since this was the dawn of the era of large mammals.

It is extremely difficult to explain the warmth of the PETM without assuming that the huge amount of "light" carbon pumped into the atmosphere created intense warming due to the greenhouse effect. The controversial question is, how did this carbon get into the atmosphere? Did PETM happen because of the greenhouse effect from all the carbon added to the atmosphere, or did the carbon get released into the atmosphere in response to climatic warming from another cause (and boosting the warming that was already occurring?) The mystery is a difficult one to unravel, since our vision of what happened so long ago is very fuzzy. A recent high-resolution study of ocean sediments laid down in New Jersey during the PETM (Sluijs et al., 2007) argued that about half of the PETM warming occurred 1,000 - 1,500 years before the 1,000 - 2,000 gigatons of "light" carbon got injected into the atmosphere. The authors theorize that global warming due to some other cause heated up the deep oceans enough to release methane stored in the form of methane hydrate, a form of methane 'ice' that forms in cold bottom water under great pressures and is widely distributed and plentiful in sediments on the outer edges of continental margins. The methane released was the huge pulse of "light" carbon seen in the fossil record, and this methane warmed the planet even further via the greenhouse effect. The authors argued that the warming that triggered the PETM could have been due to a variation in Earth's orbit, or due to a pulse of greenhouse gases that didn't happen to be enriched in light carbon. A wide variety of other theories abound. Dickens (2004) theorizes that a volcano in the North Atlantic erupted through a huge fossil fuel deposit in overlying ocean sediments, releasing massive amounts of the stored carbon into the atmosphere. Pancost et al. 2006 found evidence that the warming of the PETM significantly increased as carbon stored on land in wetlands was released in the form of methane. Huber (2008) argued that temperatures got so hot during the PETM that a huge die-off of tropical vegetation resulted, creating vast deserts and putting thousands of gigatons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, further increasing temperatures.


Figure 2. Photographs of methane hydrate as nodules, veins, and laminae in sediment. Intense warming of the deep oceans during the PETM may have released huge quantities of methane gas from ocean sediments with methane hydrates in them. Image credit: United States Geological Survey.

Computer climate models fail to reproduce the PETM
A big concern about the climate models that we are using to forecast climate for the coming century is that they do a poor job of reproducing the climate of the Eocene, and, in particular, the PETM. These models fail to reproduce the high temperatures observed in the polar regions relative to the tropics during the PETM. However, in the words of climate scientists Daniel Schrag and Richard Alley in a 2004 article in Nature, "It would be a grave mistake to take these lessons from ancient climates as a reason to disregard the projections from climate models." If the observations of the climate in this far-ago era are correct, the reason that the climate models fail to correctly simulate this past climate is because the climate is more sensitive to CO2 than believed. There is a missing "feedback" causing increased warming near the pole that the models are missing. Sluijs et al. (2006) theorize that the models may be missing how hurricanes transport heat to the poles, or how polar stratospheric clouds may act to trap heat over the poles. In short, the failure of the models to correctly simulate the PETM may mean that our current estimates of the amount of global warming likely over the coming century (1.1°C - 6.4°C) are far too low. The other possibility, mentioned by Huber (2008) is that the models are correct, but the temperatures inferred for the tropics from the fossil record are in error. This wouldn't be the first time that measurements were found to be in error and the models vindicated.

Comparison with today
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, humans have pumped about 500 gigatons of carbon into the atmosphere. There are about 5,000 gigatons in the planet's coal reserves, while oil and traditional natural gas deposits are hundreds of gigatons each (Rogner, 1997). Given that humans are now adding about 10 gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere each year (Global Carbon Project, 2007), we will surpass the 1,000 gigaton mark 50 years from now at current emission rates. This is at the lower end of the 1,000 - 2,000 gigatons of carbon that are estimated to have been added to the atmosphere during the PETM--the most extreme natural global warming event of the past 65 million years. Though our view of events so long ago is very fuzzy, the PETM should serve as a cautionary tale. We cannot rule out the possibility that continuation of our current rates of fossil fuel burning will lead to an extreme climatic warming event like the PETM. In particular, we need to keep a careful eye on the huge reservoirs of methane hydrate stored in marine sediments (500 - 10,000 gigatons of carbon) and stored in permafrost (7.5 - 400 gigatons). Continued warming of the planet could trigger substantial releases of these massive reservoirs of greenhouse gases, leading to a repeat of the PETM event. However, a 2008 study by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP, 2008) concludes that there is currently no evidence that a sudden catastrophic release of methane stored in ocean sediments or in permafrost will happen over the next century. It should take at least a century for global warming to penetrate the deep oceans and permafrost regions containing these significant reservoirs of methane hydrates. The study concludes, "Catastrophic release of methane to the atmosphere appears very unlikely in the near term (e.g., this century)...Although the prospect of a catastrophic release of methane to the atmosphere as a result of anthropogenic climate change over the next century appears very unlikely based on current knowledge, many of the processes involved are still poorly understood, and developing a better predictive capability requires further work. On a longer time scale, methane release from hydrate reservoir is likely to be a major influence in global warming over the next 1,000 to 100,000 years". So, the bottom line is: don't expect global warming to be able to cause huge releases of methane hydrates in the coming century, such as may have occurred during PETM. But it is wise to ponder that a release of greenhouse gases similar in magnitude to what we are doing now coincided with the most extreme global warming event of the last 65 million years. We should not be surprised if our human greenhouse gas emissions cause a similar massive climate perturbation over the next 1,000 years, leading the dawn of a new geological era--the Anthropocene.

For more information
The best resource I found while researching this was a December 2008 report from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP), titled, Abrupt Climate Change. Chapter 5, "Potential for Abrupt Changes in Atmospheric Methane" [1.3 Mb] was the relevant chapter.

References
Archer, D., 2007, "Methane hydrate stability and anthropogenic climate change", Biogeosciences, 4, 521544,.

Dickens, G.R., 2004, "Hydrocarbon-driven warming", Nature 42, 429, pp513-515, 3 June 2004.

Huber, M., 2008, "A Hotter Greenhouse?", Science 321, no. 5887, pp. 353-354, DOI: 10.1126/science.1161170

Moran, et al., 2006, "The Cenozoic palaeoenvironment of the Arctic Ocean", Nature 441, 601-605 (1 June 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature04800.

Nunes, F. and R.D. Norris, 2006, "Abrupt reversal in ocean overturning during the Paleocene/Eocene warm period", Nature 439 (7072): 603. doi:10.1038/nature04386

Pancost, R.D., et al., 2006, "Increased terrestrial methane cycling at the Palaeocene-Eocene thermal maximum", Nature 449, 332-335 (20 September 2007) | doi:10.1038/nature06012

Rogner, H.-H, 1997, "An assessment of world hydrocarbon resources", Annu. Rev. Energy Environ., 22, 217-262.

Sluijs, A., et al., 2006, "Subtropical Arctic Ocean temperatures during the Palaeocene/Eocene thermal maximum", Nature 441, 610-613 (1 June 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature04668

U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP), 2008: Abrupt Climate Change. A report by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program and the Subcommittee on Global Change Research [Clark, P.U., A.J. Weaver (coordinating lead authors), E. Brook, E.R. Cook, T.L. Delworth, and K. Steffen (chapter lead authors)]. U.S. Geological Survey, Reston, VA, 459 pp.

Zachos, J. C., U. Rohl, S.A. Schellenberg, A. Sluijs, D.A. Hodell, D.C. Kelly, E. Thomas, M. Nicolo, I. Raffi, L.J. Lourens, H. McCarren, and D. Kroon, 2005, "Rapid Acidification of the Ocean During the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum", Science, 308, 1611-1615

Portlight.org relief walk in Destin, FL a big success
Over the weekend, the portlight.org disaster relief charity ran a highly successful relief walk in Destin, FL, to raise money for the disaster relief. The theme of this walk was to raise relief money not only for people, but for pets as well, with 25% of the money raised intended for taking care of pets injured or abandoned during disasters. As detailed in the portlight.org blog, the pet theme was a great way to raise money, and about $5000 was raised. The other relief walks this year raised $1500 in New Orleans and $542 in Kissimmee. Many more walks are planned this year, with the next one being this weekend (May 2) in Summerville, SC. Portlight also helped out with disaster relief operations for the South Carolina fires yesterday.



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151. Cavin Rawlins 1:56 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
I intend to have a blog about a new Hurricane Scale since the current one, IMO, does not effectively desribe hurricanes using a scale of 1 to 5. Hurricanes Gustav and Ike were cat 2 at landfall in the US but the energy of both storms were much higher. Large storms like those seen last year and in 2005 are able to maintain high levels of energy at the coast and inland so if we only found 100 mph wind does not mean the storm is confined to 100 mph damage.
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152. Skyepony (Mod) 1:56 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    


28 April 2009
Satellite images show that icebergs have begun to calve from the northern front of the Wilkins Ice Shelf – indicating that the huge shelf has become unstable. This follows the collapse three weeks ago of the ice bridge that had previously linked the Antarctic mainland to Charcot Island.

On 24 April, the satellite data showed that the first icebergs had started to break away from the fragile ice shelf. A very rough estimate suggests that, so far, about 700 sq km of ice has been lost from the Wilkins Ice Shelf.

In contrast to the ice bridge, which shattered very quickly, it is expected that the discharge of ice will continue for some weeks. The icebergs are calving as a result of fracture zones that have formed over the last 15 years and which turned Wilkins into a fragile and vulnerable ice shelf.



TerraSAR-X image over Wilkins Ice Shelf from 23 April
"The retreat of Wilkins Ice Shelf is the latest and the largest of its kind. Eight separate ice shelves along the Antarctic Peninsula have shown signs of retreat over the last few decades. There is little doubt that these changes are the result of atmospheric warming on the Antarctic Peninsula, which has been the most rapid in the Southern Hemisphere," explained David Vaughan from the British Antarctic Survey.
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153. melwerle 2:07 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Geez...three weeks ago I was complaining that we had so much rain, I couldn't do laundry cause our drainfield was so wet. Now today, I am turning on the water every night because my lawn is crunchy and there is nothing in site to come...

Is there any middle ground?
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154. Skyepony (Mod) 2:07 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
On the dark side of the Earth, space is riddled with giant plasma tornadoes that power shimmering auroras, new observations reveal.

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155. moonlightcowboy 2:10 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
I intend to have a blog about a new Hurricane Scale since the current one, IMO, does not effectively desribe hurricanes using a scale of 1 to 5. Hurricanes Gustav and Ike were cat 2 at landfall in the US but the energy of both storms were much higher. Large storms like those seen last year and in 2005 are able to maintain high levels of energy at the coast and inland so if we only found 100 mph wind does not mean the storm is confined to 100 mph damage.

I look forward to this topic. Thanks. Cotillion has done some work on the subject, too. The scale desperately needs to be revamped - IKE proved that unquestionably.
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156. stillwaiting 2:10 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
start watching the SW GOM area starting begining of next week,seems like the conditions in area will be primed for a week westerly surface flow to begining to develop and with the tail end of a front stalling in the area,I believe this will be the area where our first invest forms this season,sheer is already low and getting lower in the BOC area as well..
question 456:was that the first T-wave of the 09 season yesterday that came off africa???
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157. CaneWarning 2:11 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Mexico is shutting down. Here is the breaking news on CNN:

All nonessential Mexican government offices and businesses ordered to close from May 1-5, Mexico's health secretary says.
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158. Patrap 2:11 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
159. hahaguy 2:12 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:

I look forward to this topic. Thanks. Cotillion has done some work on the subject, too. The scale desperately needs to be revamped - IKE proved that unquestionably.


Ya I agree, Ike showed that the current scale is pretty much useless. Well one should determine the strength not just by wind speed.
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160. Patrap 2:13 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
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161. GeoffreyWPB 2:13 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
My thought on the blog over the past few weeks..

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162. Skyepony (Mod) 2:15 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Two of the most important climate change gases increased last year, according to a preliminary analysis for NOAA’s annual greenhouse gas index, which tracks data from 60 sites around the world.


Researchers measured an additional 16.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) — a byproduct of fossil fuel burning — and 12.2 million tons of methane in the atmosphere at the end of December 2008. This increase is despite the global economic downturn, with its decrease in a wide range of activities that depend on fossil fuel use.

“Only by reducing our dependence on fossil fuels and increasing energy production from renewable resources will we start to see improvements and begin to lessen the effects of climate change,” said scientist Pieter Tans of NOAA’s Earth System Research Laboratory in Boulder, Colo. “At NOAA we have monitored carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouses gases for decades and will continue to do so to help assess the situation and advise decision makers.”

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163. Patrap 2:18 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Cooperative Institute for Meteorological Satellite Studies
Space Science and Engineering Center / University of Wisconsin-Madison



Tropical Cyclones ...A Satellite Perspective
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164. Ossqss 2:18 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
As the Borg say, resistance is futile.

Be prepared for any eventuality. You can ignore or discount what has been presented, but it does not change it.

Folks, they are warning the world of a problem. I hear them, do you ?

The current situation is not what has prompted the concern. It is what is ahead that creates the concern for all governments.

I hope they are wrong, but the only organization that consults every country on this planet has told you to wake up and get ready for trouble.

I can say no more. Be smart and safe.




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165. Patrap 2:19 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Steering Layer 700-850mb - West Atlantic -



Latest Available
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166. moonlightcowboy 2:25 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
161. GR8 tune!
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167. Patrap 2:26 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
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168. Cavin Rawlins 2:29 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting stillwaiting:
start watching the SW GOM area starting begining of next week,seems like the conditions in area will be primed for a week westerly surface flow to begining to develop and with the tail end of a front stalling in the area,I believe this will be the area where our first invest forms this season,sheer is already low and getting lower in the BOC area as well..
question 456:was that the first T-wave of the 09 season yesterday that came off africa???


Possibly yes but was not able to confirm it. When I saw the cloud pattern this morning was sure because it had such a nice inverted V pattern and Quikscat had shown some reflection at the surface. But the cloud pattern has since then become indistinctive and masked within the ITCZ. I will continue to monitor the area becuz these tend to reappear further west.

None of the features so far has been clear cut but with the next MJO expected soon, I'll be watching closely.
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169. stillwaiting 2:41 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
thanks 456!!!,the classic inverted v shape...it does seem extremely early for a strong T-wave though,anything formidable that is,whats the earliest that a African wave has formed into a TC and hit the continental US????.....
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170. Cavin Rawlins 2:48 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting stillwaiting:
thanks 456!!!,the classic inverted v shape...it does seem extremely early for a strong T-wave though,anything formidable that is,whats the earliest that a African wave has formed into a TC and hit the continental US????.....


I believe Hurricane Bertha in 1996. A cape-verde hurricane that formed on July 5 1996 and made landfall in the US. If 2008's Hurricane Bertha followed-suit, it would of held the record.
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171. RTLSNK (Mod) 2:52 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
And now ladies and gentlemen, direct from the CDC.gov in Atlanta, Georgia(they requested that I give them credit for the photo), the latest killer that seems to be roaming the earth at will. Photo is available on their home page with medical descriptions and information.
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172. HadesGodWyvern 3:00 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert (2300z 29APR)
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An area of convection (96W) located at 13.5N 117.2E or 230 NM west-southwest of Manila, Philippines. Recent animated enhanced infrared satellite imagery and a 1109z Quikscat pass shows a low level circulation center that has consolidated and has begun to intensify. It is currently showing the 15-20 knot winds around the low level circulation center and increased convection developing over the low level circulation center. Sea surface temperatures are also favorable for continued development. Upper level analysis indicates that the low level circulation center is in a low vertical wind shear environment with an upper level anticyclone located over the low level circulation center. Poleward outflow is also being enhanced by the anticyclone, creating a good outflow channel.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 17-22 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1006 MB. Due to increased organization of the low level circulation center and persistent deep convection near the low level circulation center, the potential for this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is UPGRADED TO GOOD.
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173. Ossqss 3:05 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
171, Wow, pig, bird and human virus all in one. Remember that all viruses, fundamentally come from Birds, check it, and you will see. Host's just entertain them, temporarily. This is exemplified with our current problem. L8R
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174. TampaSpin 3:06 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Good evening everyone! Looks like the Swine is now POSSIBLY in Tampa. Was just told from a DR. friend that 2 individual have now been quarintined in Tampa. This has not been confirmed.
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175. CaneWarning 3:07 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Good evening everyone! Looks like the Swine is now POSSIBLY in Tampa. Was just told from a DR. friend that 2 individual have now been quarintined in Tampa. This has not been confirmed.


What hospital?
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176. TampaSpin 3:09 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


What hospital?


Don't know was not told that!
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177. bluenosedave 3:09 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Hey, all. I haven't been in here for about 6 months, but, you know, it getting to that time of the year. Thanks, Geoff, for the Carly Simon. Made my day!
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178. TampaSpin 3:19 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
As Ossqss had been so wisely saying, it won't hurt to be prepared just like a hurricane that would put you up for 7 days. That was a wise choice of words.
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179. Chicklit 3:45 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
After being about 15 miles further inland for the past 20 years, I can now hear the ocean from my windows...and wondering what hurricane season will bring this year. Do we know yet whether we will have El Nino, La Nina or neutral conditions?
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180. TampaSpin 3:49 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Here's the latest Graphic.
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181. TampaSpin 3:51 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
WHO just raised the conditon of Swine FLU to level 5.....OUCH!
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182. TampaSpin 3:54 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Current level of influenza pandemic alert raised from phase 4 to 5
29 April 2009
-- Based on assessment of all available information and following several expert consultations, Dr Margaret Chan, WHO's Director-General raised the current level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 4 to 5. She stated that all countries should immediately activate their pandemic preparedness plans. At this stage, effective and essential measures include heightened surveillance, early detection and treatment of cases, and infection control in all health facilities.
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183. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:54 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
that was done early this afternoon tampa been at level 5 since 2 pm edt
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184. KoritheMan 3:56 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
After being about 15 miles further inland for the past 20 years, I can now hear the ocean from my windows...and wondering what hurricane season will bring this year. Do we know yet whether we will have El Nino, La Nina or neutral conditions?


Model consensus seems to be neutral, with the probability of a warm-sided one.
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185. Tazmanian 4:00 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
. KoritheMan IM me thanks
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186. TampaSpin 4:03 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Sorry just logged on and didn't see any post! Sorry for the timeliness.....LOL
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187. moonlightcowboy 4:05 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
After being about 15 miles further inland for the past 20 years, I can now hear the ocean from my windows...and wondering what hurricane season will bring this year. Do we know yet whether we will have El Nino, La Nina or neutral conditions?

Chicklet, good to see you! Glad you're enjoying the digs! Hopefully, no "strong" breezes will be coming your way. ;)
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188. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:07 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
its all good tampa
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189. TampaSpin 4:08 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
its all good tampa


By the way your blog looks very nice!
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190. moonlightcowboy 4:09 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
LOL, I hope you two read the line in Tropical Lagniappe! ;)
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191. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:10 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
thanks it is self updating only thing to add is floaters of dev. storm systems as they show up they will be manually updated once season starts
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192. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:12 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
ya i did mlc thanks but now i got to make sure its maintain and it will be right till nov 30 09
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193. TampaSpin 4:14 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:
LOL, I hope you two read the line in Tropical Lagniappe! ;)


Yep i seen that....Heck of a job MLC...that took alot of work.
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194. moonlightcowboy 4:15 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Do you fellas drink coffee in these late, or often, early hours? LOL
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195. TampaSpin 4:17 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
thanks it is self updating only thing to add is floaters of dev. storm systems as they show up they will be manually updated once season starts


Keeper parts of what you have done will not self update....i went down that path with some of those sites and what they appear to do will go blank and needed updated in 3-4 days....Been down that road....LOL
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196. TampaSpin 4:18 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:
Do you fellas drink coffee in these late, or often, early hours? LOL


As a matter of fact i just made a pot and already sucked down 2 cups and going the another....no joking.....LOL
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197. moonlightcowboy 4:21 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Well, I just know the past couple of years, one could generally count on you two in the late hours to be around checking on and updating things. I get chronic insomnia sometimes, especially during cane season, so appreciate the good company. Y'all do a great job. Thanks.
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198. victoriahurricane 4:23 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Does anyone have any links to maps for tracking cases regarding Swine Flu? I can't seem to find any.
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199. SomeRandomTexan 4:24 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
MIMIC movie of Hurricane Ike at landfall over Texas


brings back so many memories... Ike started ramping up right before landfall... this actually turned out to be good since it tightened the storm a little and the surge lessened.. even though it was catastrophic here where i live Mets said it would have been worse if it wasnt for the ramp up. Nice post PAT
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200. moonlightcowboy 4:26 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Quoting victoriahurricane:
Does anyone have any links to maps for tracking cases regarding Swine Flu? I can't seem to find any.

GetReal's blog has some good links for maps, etc.
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201. HadesGodWyvern 4:49 AM GMT on April 30, 2009    
Philippines Atmospheric Geophysical Astronomical Services and Administration

Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #1
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The Low Pressure Area West of Mindoro has developed into a Tropical Depression and was named "CRISING".

At 11:00 AM PhST, Tropical Depression Crising located at 12.8°N 117.2°E or 380 kms west of San Jose, Occidental Mindoro has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots. The depression is reported as quasi-stationary.

Meanwhile a Low Pressure Area was estimated in the vicinity of Albay (13.8°N, 123.0°E).

These two weather disturbances are expected to bring occasional rains over Southern Luzon and Visayas becoming frequent rains over Bicol Region, Quezon, Mindoro, Marinduque, Masbate and Samar provinces which may trigger flashfloods and landslides.

The public and the disaster coordinating councils concerned are advised to take appropriate actions and watch for the next bulletin to be issued at 11 P.M. today.

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third depression in the WPAC...
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