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Gulf of Mexico storm not likely to become a depression; storm kills 11 in Haiti
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:38 PM GMT on May 22, 2009 +6
The large extratropical storm that has been pounding Florida and the Bahamas this week with heavy rain and high surf extended its reach yesterday, killing at least 11 people in Haiti. According to Reuters, most of the victims were killed while crossing rivers or when their flimsy homes collapsed. Approximately six inches of rain fell on Haiti's southwest peninsula in the 24 hours ending at 8pm EDT. Hundreds of homes were flooded and dozens destroyed in the flooding, which left 40% of the southern city of Cayes underwater. The impoverished Caribbean country is still struggling to recover from the massive flooding that killed over 800 people during the hurricane season of 2008. In March, UN chief Ban Ki-moon and Bill Clinton--who was this week appointed UN special envoy to the island--toured Haiti together and urged the international community to continue to aid the country. Participants at a Washington international donors conference in April agreed to donate $324 million to help Haiti rebuild.

The worst of the rain and flooding is over for Florida, which has seen rainfall amounts this week as high as 23.75 inches at the Flagler County Fairgrounds. Another 1 - 2 inches are expected in Northeast Florida today from the storm, along with beach erosion, 6 - 8 foot waves, and tides 1 - 2 feet above normal. The bad weather in Northeast Florida should subside substantially on Saturday.


Figure 1. Long range radar out of New Orleans.

The storm responsible for the heavy rains is now headed north-northwest, and should make landfall Saturday near the Louisiana/Mississippi border. The storm has developed a warm core at low levels, and NHC designated it Invest 90L late this morning. Latest visible satellite loops show a modest amount of heavy thunderstorm activity on the east side of the storm's circulation, but development is being hindered by dry air, and wind shear of 20 knots. Long range radar out of New Orleans (Figure 1) shows little organization or banding of the radar echoes. With only 24 hours to go until the system moves inland, it does not have enough time to develop into a depression. Since there will be strong winds from the west creating wind shear over the storm, plus dry air to the storm's west, most of the heavy rain should be confined to the east of the storm's center, along a stretch of coast from New Orleans to Pensacola. Rainfall totals of 2 - 4 inches can be expected.


Figure 2. Latest satellite image of the Gulf of Mexico storm.

I'll have an update Saturday.

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51. stillwaiting 2:26 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
everyone wave good bye to the carib. blob,It'll be gone in 12hrs....
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52. Orcasystems 2:26 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Blog Update

AOI #1

AOI #2



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53. 0741 2:26 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
i donot see noaa map showing low in carribbean area like other map i hope that was not add on by that wu member
54. stillwaiting 2:27 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
0741:orca would never do that,I can assure you!!!
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55. Patrap 2:28 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    

Latest WV Image,GOM
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56. samiam1234 2:29 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
what direction is this thing going.. it looks like with its current location and if it tracks WNW...it might hit the TX/Loisiana border rather then LA/Miss.. can galveston see any rain from this?? any chance
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57. K8eCane 2:29 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
i see the gom thingy now....its blowin up
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58. Ossqss 2:29 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting stillwaiting:
everyone wave good bye to the carib. blob,It'll be gone in 12hrs....



I hope you pick a strong limb to stand on :)

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59. 0741 2:30 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
why i say that because their been maps done here by some member we all come here to get imformation
60. DaytonaBeachWatcher 2:30 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
...TROPICAL WAVES...
A TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 77W TO THE SOUTH OF 13N MOVING WEST
NEAR 15 KT. THIS WAVE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A MAXIMUM IN DEEP LAYER
MOISTURE BASED ON TOTAL PRECIPITABLE WATER PRODUCT FROM CIMSS.
COMPUTER MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT THE WAVE COINCIDES WITH
AN AREA OF LOW LEVEL CYCLONIC CIRCULATION...WHICH IS ALSO
ASSOCIATED WITH A 1007 MB SURFACE LOW ALONG THE TROPICAL WAVE
IN NORTHERN COLOMBIA NEAR 8N. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS MOST
PROBABLY ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ITCZ IS IN COLOMBIA FROM
7N TO 10N BETWEEN 74W AND 77W.


NHC says right in their discussion that it is a 1007mb surface low. I wouldnt doubt THEM.
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61. K8eCane 2:31 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
thanks daytona beach
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62. Patrap 2:32 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
63. beell 2:32 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
I think the biggest hindrance to development of the gulf system was dry air on the west side of the system. It was obvious at the upper levels on water vapor driving south from off the continent and wrapping in to the upper low.

In hindsight lol, at the surface and low levels. Dry continental air in the wake of a fairly strong May cold front surpressed convection on the west side of the low complex. Did some checking and surface temp/dewpoint spreads were 20F, 30F, and close to 40F along the west central gulf coast. Dry low level source air may have had more to do with the failure to sustain convection on the west side-more of a factor than the shear? Maybe.

The long easterly fetch of moisture on the N side of the system-from the eastern gulf/Atlantic will finally wrap into the area today and help moisten things up. And the west side should respond.
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64. StormSurgeon 2:34 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting Michfan:


I am so going to use that acronym this season now.


Be my guest.........but I have a feeling StormW won't be adding it to his list of Meteorology terms. Back to the weather. I wish something would come along and push this Gulf low inland a little east of Mobile. I hate my Memorial Day weekend is giong to be a complete washout. Pat, could you get everyone in NOLA to turn on their fans and aim them east......that might help.
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65. Patrap 2:35 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
I'll need a Lot of extension cords I think.
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66. jcpoulard 2:36 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
The BLOB south of haiti/DR is heading S/SE and I think It' will over the Noth Venezuela by the end of the day.

But the second posibility is this BLOB stay in the central caribean and wait the shear relax ..... It will be a big touble over there.
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67. IKE 2:36 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
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68. 0741 2:37 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
is that move south of haiti ? noaa map donot show low with it. weather office in san juan have it going nne i see that say west
69. Bailey1777 2:39 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
GOM low seems to be heading due north now and picking up speed. It may not even make it west of the Florida panhandle, but looks to be gaining convection as it interacts with the land. It was a nice test runs to get us in the tropical spirit. Next...........?
70. TheCaneWhisperer 2:40 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Nothing like a little preseason forecasting nightmare to work out all the bugs of the off season. Everyone should be in tip top shape after this one, lol.
71. Orcasystems 2:40 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting stillwaiting:
0741:orca would never do that,I can assure you!!!


Alright.. I went and got a coffee... did he just ask if I doctored a map/weather chart?
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72. Seastep 2:41 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting stillwaiting:
the latest surface from the NHC,I don't know who does the surface analysis over there at unisystems,but I have to put more faith in th NHC,this is from 5am:


It should be there on the 12Z map. They mentioned it in their discussion.

A TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 77W TO THE SOUTH OF 13N MOVING WEST
NEAR 15 KT. THIS WAVE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A MAXIMUM IN DEEP LAYER
MOISTURE BASED ON TOTAL PRECIPITABLE WATER PRODUCT FROM CIMSS.
COMPUTER MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT THE WAVE COINCIDES WITH
AN AREA OF LOW LEVEL CYCLONIC CIRCULATION...WHICH IS ALSO
ASSOCIATED WITH A 1007 MB SURFACE LOW ALONG THE TROPICAL WAVE
IN NORTHERN COLOMBIA NEAR 8N. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS MOST
PROBABLY ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ITCZ IS IN COLOMBIA FROM
7N TO 10N BETWEEN 74W AND 77W.
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73. TampaSpin 2:41 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:
...TROPICAL WAVES...
A TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 77W TO THE SOUTH OF 13N MOVING WEST
NEAR 15 KT. THIS WAVE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A MAXIMUM IN DEEP LAYER
MOISTURE BASED ON TOTAL PRECIPITABLE WATER PRODUCT FROM CIMSS.
COMPUTER MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT THE WAVE COINCIDES WITH
AN AREA OF LOW LEVEL CYCLONIC CIRCULATION...WHICH IS ALSO
ASSOCIATED WITH A 1007 MB SURFACE LOW ALONG THE TROPICAL WAVE
IN NORTHERN COLOMBIA NEAR 8N. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS MOST
PROBABLY ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ITCZ IS IN COLOMBIA FROM
7N TO 10N BETWEEN 74W AND 77W.


NHC says right in their discussion that it is a 1007mb surface low. I wouldnt doubt THEM.


Gotta disagree about the surface Low....just checked Quikscat...Maybe something over land...LOL



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74. Patrap 2:41 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
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75. 0741 2:42 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
ok when that come out can someone post it ty
76. K8eCane 2:43 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
i definitely believe my eyes so we shall see
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77. Seastep 2:43 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Gotta disagree about the surface Low....just checked Quikscat...Maybe something over land...LOL





Just realized, the one they mention is in Columbia... farther S.
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78. Patrap 2:43 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
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79. Skyepony (Mod) 2:44 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Greetings from vacation. Good to still be alive in the when the 1st storm will be named. Looks like conditions for brewing, glad it's not Aug or Sept. Maybe an interesting season. Wild blob going the wrong way ese below hispanolia. I think it will eventually be lifted NE out of the caribbean & maybe sheared up.
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80. 0741 2:44 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
ok some say their low in area in carribbean other say their none ok what up
81. cchsweatherman 2:45 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:
...TROPICAL WAVES...
A TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 77W TO THE SOUTH OF 13N MOVING WEST
NEAR 15 KT. THIS WAVE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A MAXIMUM IN DEEP LAYER
MOISTURE BASED ON TOTAL PRECIPITABLE WATER PRODUCT FROM CIMSS.
COMPUTER MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT THE WAVE COINCIDES WITH
AN AREA OF LOW LEVEL CYCLONIC CIRCULATION...WHICH IS ALSO
ASSOCIATED WITH A 1007 MB SURFACE LOW ALONG THE TROPICAL WAVE
IN NORTHERN COLOMBIA NEAR 8N. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS MOST
PROBABLY ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ITCZ IS IN COLOMBIA FROM
7N TO 10N BETWEEN 74W AND 77W.


NHC says right in their discussion that it is a 1007mb surface low. I wouldnt doubt THEM.


Don't mean any disrespect to anyone, but don't you all read the entire discussion and comprehend it. It specifically states that the 1007mb low is IN NORTHERN COLOMBIA. There is no low anywhere in the Caribbean at this time.
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82. Seastep 2:46 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting 0741:
ok some say their low in area in carribbean other say their none ok what up


Really doesn't matter much. Very inhospitable environment for tropical development.
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83. HadesGodWyvern 2:46 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
India Meteorological Department

Chief Meteorologist Forecast Outlook (0900z 22MAY)
==================================================
The low pressure area over east central & adjoining west central Bay of Bengal persists. Current meteorological analysis and numerical weather prediction models indicate the system is likely to concentrate into a depression during next 36 hours.

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84. Seastep 2:46 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:


Don't mean any disrespect to anyone, but don't you all read the entire discussion and comprehend it. It specifically states that the 1007mb low is IN NORTHERN COLOMBIA. There is no low anywhere in the Caribbean at this time.


No problem CCHS... caught myself. See 77. :)
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85. K8eCane 2:47 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
blah blah blah...i still watch and learn
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86. emagirl 2:49 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
i see we have an invest 90...
87. quakeman55 2:50 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


Be my guest.........but I have a feeling StormW won't be adding it to his list of Meteorology terms. Back to the weather. I wish something would come along and push this Gulf low inland a little east of Mobile. I hate my Memorial Day weekend is giong to be a complete washout. Pat, could you get everyone in NOLA to turn on their fans and aim them east......that might help.

You'd have a LOT of people in Destin (including the thousands of vacationers coming in) mad at you for that...don't forget about us now!
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88. Patrap 2:50 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
There are NO Atlantic invests..Sorry.
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89. TampaSpin 2:52 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:


Don't mean any disrespect to anyone, but don't you all read the entire discussion and comprehend it. It specifically states that the 1007mb low is IN NORTHERN COLOMBIA. There is no low anywhere in the Caribbean at this time.


Take a chill......CCHS....its all good! "COMPREHEND" is that a word allowed to be used on this blog........LOL
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90. captainhunter 2:52 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
NHC has invest 90. Our Caribbean bolb.
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91. emagirl 2:52 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
there is an invest listed on the home page...maybe i mis read
92. Michfan 2:53 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
The blob in the carribean is mainly due to upper level difluence which is probably why the NHC doesnt have it designated as anything at all. Too much shear and nothing to show that there is an LLC associated with it.
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93. quakeman55 2:53 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Anyone else having trouble accessing the SSD site? It's not letting me get to it for some reason...
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95. captainhunter 2:54 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Nope. I'm wrong. Wunderground main only on the blob.
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96. taco2me61 2:55 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


Be my guest.........but I have a feeling StormW won't be adding it to his list of Meteorology terms. Back to the weather. I wish something would come along and push this Gulf low inland a little east of Mobile. I hate my Memorial Day weekend is giong to be a complete washout. Pat, could you get everyone in NOLA to turn on their fans and aim them east......that might help.


Good Morning StormSurgeon

I have 2 100' cords if you need them....

Taco :0)
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97. Patrap 2:55 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
The Lil ol Lady in Boca Hasnt updated the wu-Tropical Page since the 18th.

She has Guests I believe.

I'll send her a wu-mail.
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98. toasterbell 2:55 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
emagirl is right. It's back on the WU page...
*disappears back to lurkdom*

Time Lat Lon Wind(mph) Pressure Storm type
-------------------------------------------------------------
12 GMT 05/22/09 26.6N 87.3W 25 1006 Invest
12 GMT 05/22/09 26.6N 87.3W 25 1006 Invest
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99. Seastep 2:55 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting quakeman55:
Anyone else having trouble accessing the SSD site? It's not letting me get to it for some reason...


I'm not, but they seem to be rearranging some things, like moving discussion to the right iso under TWO.
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100. cchsweatherman 2:56 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Take a chill......CCHS....its all good! "COMPREHEND" is that a word allowed to be used on this blog........LOL


Sorry about that. Don't normally act like that. Guess I'm just cranky today since I didn't get much sleep last night.
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101. TampaSpin 2:56 PM GMT on May 22, 2009    
Quoting Michfan:
The blob in the carribean is mainly due to upper level difluence which is probably why the NHC doesnt have it designated as anything at all. Too much shear and nothing to show that there is an LLC associated with it.


Sorry but, i don't see a LLC.....its all in the UL.....look at post 73 NOTHING
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