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High wind shear ripping into 97L
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:49 PM GMT on July 20, 2009 +2
A strong tropical wave (97L) a few hundred miles east of Barbados in the Lesser Antilles Islands has grown less organized today as it tracks west at 15 - 20 mph. The wave is moving underneath an upper-level trough of low pressure, which is bringing 30 knots of wind shear to 97L. While there is a respectable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity associated with 97L, there is no longer any low-level spiral banding or rotation of the cloud pattern. This morning's QuikSCAT pass at 5:35 am EDT showed sustained winds of 35 mph a few hundred miles east of Barbados, but there was no surface circulation evident. The islands of Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia, and Martinique can expect heavy rain and wind gusts to 50 mph as 97L moves through the Lesser Antilles Islands this afternoon and tonight, but 97L will not become a tropical depression.

Wind shear along the path of 97L is forecast to remain in the high 25 - 35 knot range for at least the next three days. This should prevent further development of 97L, and I expect the disturbance will be gradually torn apart during the next few days. The National Hurricane Center gives 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours. None of the computer models are forecasting any tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Tuesday morning. As 97L moves through the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for the region.

Jeff Masters
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1401. Cavin Rawlins 10:21 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
I had hopes for 97L but currently, the system remains disorganize due to shear. The system should not be discounted though but monitored over the next few days in the Caribbean incase conditions change.
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1402. Drakoen 10:21 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Maybe I should have extended my nap lol
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1403. reedzone 10:21 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Reed, here's the model support. around Friday



Exactly my point, 97L for the first time has model support, no reason to de-activate it.
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1404. hurricane23 10:22 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
According to the shear map, there is no ULL in the Bahamas, of course there's one in Bermuda, which is the reason for all the shear. The Bahamas disturbance is a tropical disturbance that needs to be monitored. Weather456 has had approval from dr. Masters, when he says it could be an INVEST, that's when I'd pay attention.


Dr masters approval your kidding right? Your point is? Iam about to finish my bachelor's degree from florida state university and i think iam pretty capable of analyzing whats out there.Everyone is entitled to there on perspective on things i'll give you that.The tropics basin wide are hostile and i continue to hold on development in august.
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1405. FloridaTigers 10:22 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Die already, 97L. Its the same story with this invest. Can we get some new blobs to develop?
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1406. Cavin Rawlins 10:22 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
456,thats a run from here,not a Forecast..Bud.


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1407. TerraNova 10:23 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Now would be good time for a QuickSCAT image...
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1408. futuremet 10:23 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:


No, not until it's completely gone, circulation is still in tact based on radar observations from earlier. No reason to downcast an invest when it has future potential which is completely the reason why I never let it go Saturday night when all of the people on here did. I kept saying it will regenerate and it did by Sunday morning. Shear will take it's toll but I doubt it will tear it apart by the way it's taking the shear today. It's a fighter.


This system is moving into an area of lower shear. As I said yesterday, the 20kts wind shear would inhibit development, but so much to destroy this system. The majority of the cloud streaming patterns is north of the COC. This system will start to consolidate tonight, and will further do so tomorrow.
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1409. Drakoen 10:23 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:


Dr masters approval your kidding right? Your point is? Iam about to finish my bachelor's degree from florida state university and i think iam pretty capable of analyzing whats out there.Everyone is entitled to there on perspective on things i'll give you that.The tropics basin wide are hostile and i continue to hold on development in august.


I'd take the Bachelors Degree lol
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1410. Dr3w 10:24 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
i think 97L should have an orange circle, the thing in back of 97L should have a yellow circle, the thing off the Carolinas should have a yellow circle and the thing east of florida should have a yellow circle, thoughts, post if you agree and disagree, thanks.


i agree with you on everything but the thing off of the Carolinas. It doesent look that impressive to me
1411. Cavin Rawlins 10:24 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:


Exactly my point, 97L for the first time has model support, no reason to de-activate it.


Thats not necessarily 97L, but some it's energy and inlfuence.
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1412. viman 10:25 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


We got a heavy shower this morning and the place return hot and humid for the remainder of the day. But number of rain days are increasing, which is agood sign.


Well that is definitely good news. I went to The Baths, Virgin Gorda, BVI yesterday with my wife to celebrate my b-day and at first the weather was really windy, and the seas were really kicking, but by afternoon some really intense t-storms came in, making the ferry ride home quite adventurous. We picked up a few inches in the cisten, which is good, but I would really like to see water coming out of the overflow pipes, if you know what I mean.
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1413. eddye 10:26 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
everyone look behind 9 l that one has a better chance of developing
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1414. 7544 10:26 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
july 20 watching 3 waves . now
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1415. K8eCane 10:26 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


I'd take the Bachelors Degree lol



I on the other hand would not. I find Weather456s forecasts to be extremely informative and accurate
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1416. cchsweatherman 10:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Adrian - Just was wondering if you could explain why you have stated that "there's nothing down there" with Invest 97L when surface observations throughout the day both in Barbados and St. Lucia indicate that there's a surface circulation.

Believe me, I have great respect for you and your knowledge, but given the decent low-level vorticity and surface observations, I would have to respectfully disagree with your conclusion.
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1417. futuremet 10:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting eddye:
everyone look behind 9 l that one has a better chance of developing


He is actually making a good point for once
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1418. aquak9 10:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Docmasters did give 456 props a while back, said to follow his blog while he was away, something like that.

Not to take ANY credit away from a BS degree.

But some of the older folks here do have a helluva lotta life experience to support their opinions.
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1419. eddye 10:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
97L
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1420. BurnedAfterPosting 10:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting K8eCane:



I on the other hand would not. I find Weather456s forecasts to be extremely informative and accurate


and 456 has a much better attitude and treats people a lot better
1421. TerraNova 10:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
All four stations on St. Lucia that are on WU are showing S so SE winds, which would support that circ on radar.
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1422. SLU 10:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
There is no way it is west of St. Lucia. That would mean it traveled almost 140 miles since it's 18z fix. I have the center at 13.4N 60.4W.


The center is west of St. Lucia. I witnessed 1st hand what happened as the center passed by.
The winds veered from NE to South @ 15mph and the rotation in the clouds also changed as the center passed. Even the radar shows the rotation just SW of Martinique and west of St. Lucia. No way it could still be to east.

Link
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1423. reedzone 10:29 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:


Dr masters approval your kidding right? Your point is? Iam about to finish my bachelor's degree from florida state university and i think iam pretty capable of analyzing whats out there.Everyone is entitled to there on perspective on things i'll give you that.The tropics basin wide are hostile and i continue to hold on development in august.


Everyone is capable of analyzing the weather. I have been tracking storms since 1999, when I was in the 6th grade. Conditions are not favorable for a TD, I know this. I am NOT a wishcaster, I back up my stuff with details from the pattern and sometimes models, not all the time. I still hold on to my guns that 97L eventually this week will form into a TD at best. It's doing ok in high wind shear, still blowing convection near the LLC, though it's getting sheared to the east.. but still, no reason to de-activate it, absolutely no reason, especially when it FINALLY has model support. :)
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1424. K8eCane 10:29 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


and 456 has a much better attitude and treats people a lot better


exactly
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1426. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:30 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    


INV/97L/XX
MARK
13.6N/60.6W
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1427. BurnedAfterPosting 10:30 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:
Ahhhhhhh! Yea the spin in the bahamas will spin up later this evening and have a pressure drop of 90mb in 2hrs. 97 will also develope a surface circulation in the next 20 minutes in the face of very hostile upper conditions with digging trof in the gulf which only futher increase the south westerly shear down there.


Its these kinds of posts that make people not respect your opinion regardless of your credentials
1428. Drakoen 10:30 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting SLU:


The center is west of St. Lucia. I witnessed 1st hand what happened as the center passed by.
The winds veered from NE to South @ 15mph and the rotation in the clouds also changed as the center passed. Even the radar shows the rotation just SW of Martinique and west of St. Lucia. No way it could still be to east.

Link


If the center is west of there then 97L just committed suicide. Also it's very easy for those winds to just be locally influenced since it's an island.
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1429. viman 10:31 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


and 456 has a much better attitude and treats people a lot better


I agree
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1430. Drakoen 10:31 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Adrian is constantly burned down for his conservative opinions. It is natural for him to respond in such a manner. You don't have to like it. I doubt Adrian cares about personality judgments.
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1431. 7544 10:31 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
keeping one eye on the bahammas wave and invest 97l looks like so fla will get alot of wet pockets from these two and possibly the one behind 97l stay tuned
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1432. hurricane23 10:33 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:


Everyone is capable of analyzing the weather. I have been tracking storms since 1999, when I was in the 6th grade. Conditions are not favorable for a TD, I know this. I am NOT a wishcaster, I back up my stuff with details from the pattern and sometimes models, not all the time. I still hold on to my guns that 97L eventually this week will form into a TD at best. It's doing ok in high wind shear, still blowing convection near the LLC, though it's getting sheared to the east.. but still, no reason to de-activate it, absolutely no reason, especially when it FINALLY has model support. :)


Its doing ok? I cant even make out the mid level circulation it once had.
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1434. aquak9 10:32 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Nothing like a dose of downright stiff sarcasm to get the respect of fellow bloggers there, 23.
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1435. yashminkr 10:32 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Earlier today Trinidad had some thunder showers but for now there is no kind of cloud cover to talk about. Thanks for the update :)
1436. GeoffreyWPB 10:32 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


He is actually making a good point for once


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1437. BurnedAfterPosting 10:32 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Adrian is constantly burned down for his conservative opinions. It is natural for him to respond in such a manner. You don't have to like it. I doubt Adrian cares about personality judgments.


maybe if he didnt come in and act like he is better than everyone, people wouldnt react that way to him
1438. TerraNova 10:33 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Adrian is constantly burned down for his conservative opinions. It is natural for him to respond in such a manner. You don't have to like it. I doubt Adrian cares about personality judgments.


I second that.
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1439. K8eCane 10:34 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
23
your posts are like everyone elses on here
just posts
i for one take em with a grain of salt
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1440. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:34 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    


new convective refire detected nw of previous
area as of 626 pm edt
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1441. reedzone 10:34 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:
Ahhhhhhh! Yea the spin in the bahamas will spin up later this evening and have a pressure drop of 90mb in 2hrs. 97 will also develope a surface circulation in the next 20 minutes in the face of very hostile upper conditions with digging trof in the gulf which only futher increase the south westerly shear down there.


Your just being ridiculous now.. I dunno why so many experts have attitudes! I'm not predicting a hurricane for gosh sake. We can agree to dissagree. I don't care if you dissagree, we are ALL subject to our opinions. But PLEASE respect me and what I do and I'll respect you in what you do! I'm a Christian, I don't fight like most do on here.
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1442. 7544 10:35 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
lloks like 97l is getting dressed again looks like it put on a new outfit much better then the last ones
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1443. IKE 10:35 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Wave near 40W has got plenty of arguments written all over it.....

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1444. moonlightcowboy 10:35 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Geeesh, yeah, it's a mess alight. I'm getting cross-eyed looking at that radar - it looks as if there's a coc over St. Vincent, then another west of St. Lucia...and both are void of convection over the tops.
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1445. BurnedAfterPosting 10:35 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


new convective refire detected nw of previous
area as of 626 pm edt


lol you are making me laugh with the reports, like you are on radar detail or a robot

not being sarcastic, I think the posts are awesome lol
1447. Drakoen 10:35 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Wave near 40W has got plenty of arguments written all over it.....




lol
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1448. BurnedAfterPosting 10:36 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Wave near 40W has got plenty of arguments written all over it.....



wave looks decent, very far south in the ITCZ, shear is around 20 knots in that area
1450. moonlightcowboy 10:36 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


new convective refire detected nw of previous
area as of 626 pm edt

Keep, is there an animation with that link, please? Thanks.
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