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High wind shear ripping into 97L
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:49 PM GMT on July 20, 2009 +2
A strong tropical wave (97L) a few hundred miles east of Barbados in the Lesser Antilles Islands has grown less organized today as it tracks west at 15 - 20 mph. The wave is moving underneath an upper-level trough of low pressure, which is bringing 30 knots of wind shear to 97L. While there is a respectable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity associated with 97L, there is no longer any low-level spiral banding or rotation of the cloud pattern. This morning's QuikSCAT pass at 5:35 am EDT showed sustained winds of 35 mph a few hundred miles east of Barbados, but there was no surface circulation evident. The islands of Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia, and Martinique can expect heavy rain and wind gusts to 50 mph as 97L moves through the Lesser Antilles Islands this afternoon and tonight, but 97L will not become a tropical depression.

Wind shear along the path of 97L is forecast to remain in the high 25 - 35 knot range for at least the next three days. This should prevent further development of 97L, and I expect the disturbance will be gradually torn apart during the next few days. The National Hurricane Center gives 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours. None of the computer models are forecasting any tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Tuesday morning. As 97L moves through the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for the region.

Jeff Masters
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2101. SevereHurricane 2:40 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


Believe it or not, it was the first time I saw hail. I lived in Florida for seven years now, and never have seen hail.


Your not alone... I had my first hail storm in April when a very strong MCC crossed through my area. I got Quarter Sized hail for about 4 minutes. I believe VIL was around the 65-70 range when I got the hail.
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2102. futuremet 2:40 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
GFS ensemble. If it takes that track, there is little hope of tropical cyclogenesis in the Caribbean.
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2103. STORMMASTERG 2:41 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
I said 30kt shear over it,30 kt still there but lifting.
2104. chevycanes 2:42 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
97L is getting sheared to death.

not gonna develop anytime soon and prolly not at all.
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2105. futuremet 2:42 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting SevereHurricane:


Your not alone... I had my first hail storm in April when a very strong MCC crossed through my area. I got Quarter Sized hail for about 4 minutes. I believe VIL was around the 65-70 range when I got the hail.


Despite the fact that they make it seem common on TV, hail is actually rare. This the first time I have seen hail in my life, and have never experience winds like that in a typical thunderstorm.
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2108. Seastep 2:43 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
GFS ensemble.



What's with that initialization point?

Made me go whoa.
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2109. AllStar17 2:44 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting chevycanes:
97L is getting sheared to death.

not gonna develop anytime soon and prolly not at all.


Never seen you before, and I will never see you again...bye, bye!
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2110. BurnedAfterPosting 2:44 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
GFS ensemble. If it takes that track, there is little hope of tropical cyclogenesis in the Caribbean.


The GFS doesnt develop it in the Caribbean anyway, it develops it north of the Bahamas
2111. sporteguy03 2:44 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


I dont see that looking at the latest shear map, still getting hit with 30 knots


all the comments say it is being sheared to pieces but it is still maintaining convection that is interesting I thought no convection would be left by now. Looks like another day of shear talk.
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2112. reedzone 2:44 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
The Bahamas disturbance starting to have a large broad circulation, no wheres near closed lol.

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/browsh.html
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2113. futuremet 2:46 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:
FutureMet see below


Well, earlier today the 500mb vorticity maxima was displaced toward the northeast because of shear. Now it seems more located closer to the COC, indicating that lessening effects of shear.

Current 500mb vort max.



3hrs ago


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2115. KoritheMan 2:46 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:

you are numer 14 on my hitlist lol


Why do you continually ignore the ones who say that 97L is not going to undergo tropical cyclogenesis? O_O

Call me a fool if you will, but I agree with him in that 97L is not going to develop, at least in the short-term.
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2116. chevycanes 2:47 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:

you are numer 14 on my hitlist lol

good.

you try to develop every little blob that pops up. if people listened to you, we'd have about 5-6 TS's already.

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2117. AllStar17 2:47 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
GFS ensemble. If it takes that track, there is little hope of tropical cyclogenesis in the Caribbean.


Futuremet....we will just have to wait and see, I guess :)

This storm has already defied odds, and has been extremely hard to forecast.
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2118. sporteguy03 2:47 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
you are ignoring him for having a different opinion? ok I guess.
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2119. hahaguy 2:47 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


Believe it or not, it was the first time I saw hail. I lived in Florida for seven years now, and never have seen hail.

Wow, that was only the second time I've seen hail since I've lived here.
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2120. centex 2:47 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
The waning N convection is really feeling the shear. But the new S convection is out of range. Can't see at night but think it ejected another N outflow boundary. So it's still weak but fighting with S convection.
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2122. Miami 2:50 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Weather moving into Miami/Kendall area pretty nasty...
2123. chevycanes 2:51 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
shear is not letting up and its only getting stronger out in front of the system as it moves west. check out the latest shear tendency map.

shear is 30-40 kts over most of the Caribbean now.

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2124. hunkerdown 2:51 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting sporteguy03:


all the comments say it is being sheared to pieces but it is still maintaining convection that is interesting I thought no convection would be left by now. Looks like another day of shear talk.


It can still fire convection while being heavily sheared.
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2125. SevereHurricane 2:51 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


Despite the fact that they make it seem common on TV, hail is actually rare. This the first time I have seen hail in my life, and have never experience winds like that in a typical thunderstorm.


It is rare, especially in Southern Florida.

How strong did the wind's get? 50 Knots?
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2127. futuremet 2:52 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting SevereHurricane:


It is rare, especially in Southern Florida.

How strong did the wind's get? 50 Knots?


Yes, the winds were sustained 40MPH for 10 minutes with higher gusts.
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2128. reedzone 2:53 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting chevycanes:
shear is not letting up and its only getting stronger out in front of the system as it moves west. check out the latest shear tendency map.

shear is 30-40 kts over most of the Caribbean now.
*To add to that, yes, shear is strengthening in the Carribean by 97L is forecast to move north in a few days do to a trough stuck on the East Coast.



Wrongoo.. Shear is slightly moving north. Currently shear is 20-25 knots over 97L. It seems to be doing a great job staying together. Don't write off a storm that quick buddy.

*To add to that, YES shear is increasing in the Carribean, but 97L is forecasted to move north into the Bahamas in a few days into lower wind shear. If it could outstand shear today, I give it at least a low chance shear won't rip it apart.
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2129. Orcasystems 2:53 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    


Its trying to stay south of the 30 line
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2130. AllStar17 2:53 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:


Wrongoo.. Shear is slightly moving north. Currently shear is 20-25 knots over 97L. It seems to be doing a great job staying together. on't write off a storm that quick buddy.


Just put him on ignore, reedzone.
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2132. Greyelf 2:54 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Why do you continually ignore the ones who say that 97L is not going to undergo tropical cyclogenesis?

Quoting sporteguy03:
you are ignoring him for having a different opinion? ok I guess.


I doubt he'll even remember any of what he's posted tomorrow. He's got to be BUI.
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2135. BurnedAfterPosting 2:56 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting spinzone:
I see we have the usual amatuer cage match going on in here tonight!



actually it has been pretty civil the last few hours
2136. SevereHurricane 2:56 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:


Wrongoo.. Shear is slightly moving north. Currently shear is 20-25 knots over 97L. It seems to be doing a great job staying together. on't write off a storm that quick buddy.


I agree,
I'm not writing 97L off until it's over land. That thing has been through hell and back. 25 Knot's of shear is a normal day for this Tropical Wave.
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2137. AllStar17 2:56 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:
allstar
i gave him the can instanly lol


I can tell he is a troll right away
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2139. MZV 2:56 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Those of us who were on here in 2005 remember watching shallow systems slide under the shear and develop. Small hybrid circulations can do things the models don't grasp very well.

Heck, even Dolly last year took a long time to form.
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2140. SevereHurricane 2:57 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


Yes, the winds were sustained 40MPH for 10 minutes with higher gusts.


Ohh Fun...

You didn't take any video? lol
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2141. STORMMASTERG 2:57 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
my local nws, says,the nam forcast model is having convective feedbck issues,so its being ignored as a solution.
2142. Greyelf 2:57 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Not if BUI means Blogging Under the Influence.
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2143. reedzone 2:58 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
He didn't bust the season, why ignore him?
All he said was that 97L might not form at all, which is always possible.
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2144. BurnedAfterPosting 2:58 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting Greyelf:
Not if BUI means Blogging While Intoxicated.


um that would be BWI lol
2145. BurnedAfterPosting 2:59 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
oh and I love your avatar GreyElf lol
2148. AllStar17 3:00 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
He didn't bust the season, why ignore him?
All he said was that 97L might not form at all, which is always possible.


He will probably bust the season next, so just got rid of him early. Plus, he did not give any facts or anything, he just wrote off 97L
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2149. hunkerdown 3:01 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Quoting STORMMASTERG:
my local nws, says,the nam forcast model is having convective feedbck issues,so its being ignored as a solution.
It should be ignored, regardless.
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2150. cchsweatherman 3:02 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Even if nothing develops, it will have a pretty significant impact on the islands, the Bahamas, and South Florida as current forecasts show very heavy rainfall overspreading the region as these tropical waves come across. According to the latest NWS Miami discussion, South Florida could possibly see between 3 to 5 inches rainfall over the next 48 hours. So it would seem localized flooding could become a real concern over the next few days, especially for Hispanola and Cuba.
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2151. WxLogic 3:01 AM GMT on July 21, 2009    
Before departing for the night... here's a cookie:

IR Channel 2 Loop

Look closely and speed it up if the need be and you'll notice a low level circulation corresponding to the 850MB VORT MAX moving away (West) from the convection as the convection starts to decay. Geographically speaking... West of Martinique.

Let's see what will happen tomorrow AM after DMAX peaks out.
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