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World storm surge records
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:41 PM GMT on August 03, 2009 +4
There's still not much to talk about the tropical Atlantic today. The Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ), the band of intense thunderstorms that spans the tropical Atlantic between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands, has grown more active in the past few days, though. The two tropical waves in the ITCZ closest to the coast of Africa bear some scrutiny this week as they cross the Atlantic. However, none of the models are currently forecasting development of these waves, and there is plenty of wind shear and dry air that will interfere with potential development.

World storm surge records
In preparation for the release of a major new storm surge section of the web site, I've been researching storm surge records. The Bathurst Bay Cyclone, also known as Tropical Cyclone Mahina, which struck Bathurst Bay, Australia on March 5, 1899, is generally credited with the world record for storm surge. The cyclone's storm surge is variously listed at 13 - 14.6 meters (43 - 48 feet). The Category 5 cyclone was a monster--with sustained winds in excess of 175 mph and a central pressure between 880 and 914 mb. Mahina killed at least 307 people, mostly on pearling ships, and was the deadliest cyclone in Australian history. The eyewitness account of Mahina's record storm surge was provided by Constable J. M. Kenny, who journeyed to Barrow Point on Bathurst Bay to investigate a crime on the day of the storm. While camped on a ridge 40 feet above sea level and 1/2 mile inland, Kenny's camp was inundated by a storm wave, reaching waist-deep. On nearby Flinders Island, fish and dolphins were found on top of 15 meter (49 foot) cliffs. However, an analysis by Nott and Hayne (2000) found no evidence of storm-deposited debris higher than 3 - 5 meters above mean sea level in the region. They also cited two computer storm surge simulations of the cyclone that were unable to generate a surge higher than three meters. Indeed, Bathurst Bay is not ideally situated to receive high storm surges. The Great Barrier Reef lies just 20 - 40 km offshore, and the ocean bottom near the bay is not shallow, but steeply sloped. Both of these factors should conspire to keep storm surges well below the record 13 - 14.6 meters reported. The authors concluded that the actual surge from the Bathurst Bay Cyclone may have been 3 - 5 meters. The observed inundation at 13 meters elevation, plus the observation of dolphins deposited at 15 meters above sea level, could have been caused by high waves on top of the surge, they argue. Waves on top of the surge (called "wave run-up") can reach five times the wave height at the shore for steeply fronted coasts like at Bathurst Bay. Since waves in the Bathurst Bay Cyclone could easily have been 3 meters, 15 meters of wave run-up on top of the surge is quite feasible. Since wave run-up doesn't count as surge, the status of the 1899 Bathurst Bay Hurricane as the world-record holder for storm surge is questionable. However, the event is certainly the record holder for the high water mark set by a tropical cyclone's storm surge, an important category in its own right.


Figure 1. Satellite image of Bathurst Bay, Queensland Province, Australia. The record 43 - 48 foot storm surge wave occurred on Barrow Point, marked by an "x" on the map above. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 2. Track of the 1899 Bathurst Bay cyclone. Bathurst Bay is located at the point where the 914 mb pressure is listed. Image credit: Whittingham, 1958.

Australian storm surge records
The largest storm surges in Australia occur in Gulf of Carpentaria, due to the large expanse of shallow water there (the Gulf of Carpentaria is the large bay to the left of the zoomed-in map of Bathurst Bay shown above). According to an email I received from Australian hurricane scientist Jeffrey Callaghan, "From all reports the storm surge from the disastrous 5 March 1887 cyclone flooded almost all of Burketown (some 30km inland from the Gulf). A copy of a 1918 report to the Queensland Parliament from the Department of Harbours and Rivers Engineer refers to the sea rising to 5.5 metres above the highest spring tide level at the Albert River Heads. This level is about 8 metres (26.2 feet) above Australian Height Datum (AHD). The biggest measured surge in the Gulf of Carpenteria occurred on 30 March 1923, when a surge of 21.4 feet was recorded at a Groote Eylandt Mission".

So what is the world storm surge record if the Bathurst Bay cyclone does not qualify? Well, I haven't researched storms in the Indian Ocean or Pacific Typhoons yet, but it might be difficult to find any storm that beats Hurricane Katrina's 27.8 foot storm surge.

References:
Nott, J, N. Hayne, 2000: How high was the storm surge from Tropical Cyclone Mahina?", Australian Journal of Emergency Management, Autumn 2000.

Anonymous, 1899, The Outridge Report--The Pearling Disaster 1899: A Memorial", The Outridge Company, 1899

Whittingham, 1958, "The Bathurst Bay hurricane and associated storm surge", Australian Meteorological Magazine, No. 27, pp. 40-41. Scanned and put on-line courtesy of John McBride.

I'll have an update on Tuesday, when the latest CSU seasonal hurricane forecast comes out at 11am EDT.
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Jeff Masters
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901. cyclonekid 11:31 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Here's a question for you guys til the TWD or TWO comes out?

In which country located in the tropics is the effects of deforestation most evident? All right answers get plus 1, lol, sorry don't have any cash on me.


Haiti, I thought because didn't the whole side of the country (if that's what you want to call it) was deforestated. :)
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902. ALCoastGambler 11:31 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
ummmmmm no it isn't. it is oxygen, heat, and fuel....lol
903. IKE 11:31 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
"...THE ITCZ...

THE ITCZ AXIS IS CENTERED ALONG 14N15W 9N29W 11N42W 9N50W
12N61W. BROAD AREA OF MID LEVEL CYCLONIC ROTATION IS EMBEDDED
WITHIN THE ITCZ NEAR 9N29W WHERE A SURFACE TROUGH WILL BE
ANALYZED AT 04/0000 UTC.
SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS STRONG CONVECTION
IS WITHIN A 60 NM RADIUS OF 9N31W. SCATTERED MODERATE TO
ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION COVERS THE REMAINDER OF THE AREA FROM
6N-11N BETWEEN 27W-33W. CLUSTERS OF ISOLATED MODERATE CONVECTION
DOT THE AREA WITHIN 200 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE ENTIRE ITCZ."
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904. antonio28 11:31 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Will have the yellow circle on it on next TWO, it obvoius at this time! Question is can this system became Ana? and if it form where is going to go! I hope none of the two happends but it time folks...
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905. BurnedAfterPosting 11:31 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
According to the data that was placed into the 18Z GFS, The feature has vorticity and a broad surface circulation. But should be warned that most of this data will be analysed using sat imagery since there are few obs out there.

Observed




Interesting
906. BurnedAfterPosting 11:32 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting antonio28:
Will have the yellow circle on it on next TWO, it obvoius at this time! Question is can this system became Ana? and if it form where is going to go! I hope none of the two happends but it time folks...


Dont jump the gun just yet
907. HURRICANECAT5 11:32 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Wave at 30w looking very impressive tonight and it is not even Dmax yet. It is way too early to say this potential storm will be a fish.
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908. Cavin Rawlins 11:32 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
We have a surface trough per the TWD

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909. HurricaneSwirl 11:32 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
absolutely no mention on it on the 8PM TWO
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910. IKE 11:34 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
LMAO!

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT MON AUG 3 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER SCHAUER CLARK/BRENNAN
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911. cyclonekid 11:33 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Still no 850 mb vorticity...

Ok Question for me...WHAT THE HECK IS VORTICITY????
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912. Cavin Rawlins 11:35 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Not surprise at all, maybe when they add the surface trough at 0000 UTC they will mention it at 2am

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913. IKE 11:35 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting cyclonekid:
Ok Question for me...WHAT THE HECK IS VORTICITY????


Per wikipedia...."Vorticity is a concept used in fluid dynamics. In the simplest sense, vorticity is the tendency for elements of the fluid to "spin."".....

850 mb's is near the surface.
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914. HurricaneSwirl 11:35 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
LMAO!

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT MON AUG 3 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER SCHAUER CLARK/BRENNAN


thats exactly what i expected. unless the area is an invest or very close to an invest they wont give it even a <30 percent chance. very conservative this year but the wave isn't as good-looking as a lot are making it out to be
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915. KYhomeboy 11:36 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
lol. theres a shocker!
916. antonio28 11:36 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneSwirl:
absolutely no mention on it on the 8PM TWO


I am really stuned!
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917. BurnedAfterPosting 11:36 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting antonio28:


I am really stuned!


Im not
918. KoritheMan 11:36 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting cyclonekid:
Ok Question for me...WHAT THE HECK IS VORTICITY????


Rotating winds.
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919. DDR 11:37 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Good evening
456,What do the steering currents look like for this one?
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920. aquak9 11:37 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Ya'll are bound and determined to stare this poor thing into submission..
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921. Cavin Rawlins 11:37 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting cyclonekid:
Ok Question for me...WHAT THE HECK IS VORTICITY????


vorticity is basically the amount of spin that is in the atmopshere. Positive vort is counterclockwise flow, while negative vort is clockwise flow in the Northern Hemisphere.

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922. HurricaneSwirl 11:37 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
ok everybody its time to pack up and move to taiwan, over in the wpac they average 27 storms a season lol
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923. cyclonekid 11:37 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Per wikipedia...."Vorticity is a concept used in fluid dynamics. In the simplest sense, vorticity is the tendency for elements of the fluid to "spin."".....

850 mb's is near the surface.
Thanks
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924. FloridaTigers 11:38 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
The NHC is TOO conservative. Not even a mention?
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925. KYhomeboy 11:38 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Interesting to note that this system is lower than 10 degrees. Ivan made it through the caribbean from around 9. Any weakness in the ridge might have to be significant to pick this thing up and make it a fish storm
926. BurnedAfterPosting 11:39 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting FloridaTigers:
The NHC is TOO conservative. Not even a mention?


It doesnt deserve one yet, patience
927. Patrap 11:39 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
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929. Cavin Rawlins 11:41 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting DDR:
Good evening
456,What do the steering currents look like for this one?



it seems it will go wnw, that high is sprawling. And since we don't know if it will develop, shallow to mid-level steering will likely control this system until development occurs.

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930. Walshy 11:40 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting cyclonekid:


Haiti, I thought because didn't the whole side of the country (if that's what you want to call it) was deforestated. :)



Me too.
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931. cyclonekid 11:40 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Rotating winds.
Quoting Weather456:


vorticity is basically the amount of spin that is in the atmopshere. Positive vort is counterclockwise flow, while negative vort is clockwise flow in the Northern Hemisphere.

thank you guys
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932. BurnedAfterPosting 11:40 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
We were the 1st to predict a slow start to the hurricane season. We now have identified factors which will lead to a quiet Gulf in Sept. with no Gulf hurricanes. Storms that do form will turn out to sea. Watch for a possible mid-Sept. hurricane on the Atlantic seabord. Early fall weather will reduce any Oct. storms. The doom and gloom crowd will have a dose of tranquil weather.


LOL you sound so full of it really

Who is we anyway?
934. Cavin Rawlins 11:41 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Eeventually it will, been persisting very well,

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935. cyclonekid 11:42 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
7E and future 8E
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936. VAbeachhurricanes 11:43 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting cyclonekid:
thank you guys


yep its basically the spin, around a vertical axis. We need it in order to confirm a low and how strong/weak it is.
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937. aquak9 11:43 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
We were the 1st to predict a slow start to the hurricane season. We now have identified factors which will lead to a quiet Gulf in Sept. with no Gulf hurricanes. Storms that do form will turn out to sea. Watch for a possible mid-Sept. hurricane on the Atlantic seabord. Early fall weather will reduce any Oct. storms. The doom and gloom crowd will have a dose of tranquil weather.


Is that the "royal" we? Err...maybe ya might wanna let the NHC in on this...
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938. Patrap 11:43 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Where in NOLA is Kerry?,..

Im Uptown...eating a Grape Snowball,

...Urrrrrrp
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939. sebastianflorida 11:43 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Looks like the ITZ is starting to show signs of life. Pulled this off of some NCEP discussion.

'LONG RANGE OUTLOOK: THE CLIMATE FORECAST SYSTEM (CFS) AND THE
EMPIRICAL WAVE PROPAGATION (EWP) MODELS SHOW MJO OVER THE DOMAIN
GRADUALLY BECOMING FAVORABLE...WITH BOTH SHOWING CONDITIONS
IMPROVING FOR TROPICAL STORM FORMATION OVER THE TROPICAL
ATLANTIC/EASTERN CARIBBEAN DURING THE SECOND WEEK IN AUGUST.
THEY...HOWEVER...DIFFER ON HOW LONG CONDITIONS ARE TO REMAIN
FAVORABLE...WITH THE EWP SHOWING FAVORABLE CONDITIONS FOR UP TO
THREE WEEKS...WHILE THE CFS TAPERS OFF AFTER TWO. WE ARE DUE FOR A
LONG STRETCH...SO WE ARE LEANING IN FAVOR OF WHAT THE EWP
SUGGESTS.'

Could be our next invest brewing around 9N 32 W.
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940. sebastianflorida 11:44 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Looks like the ITZ is starting to show signs of life. Pulled this off of some NCEP discussion.

'LONG RANGE OUTLOOK: THE CLIMATE FORECAST SYSTEM (CFS) AND THE
EMPIRICAL WAVE PROPAGATION (EWP) MODELS SHOW MJO OVER THE DOMAIN
GRADUALLY BECOMING FAVORABLE...WITH BOTH SHOWING CONDITIONS
IMPROVING FOR TROPICAL STORM FORMATION OVER THE TROPICAL
ATLANTIC/EASTERN CARIBBEAN DURING THE SECOND WEEK IN AUGUST.
THEY...HOWEVER...DIFFER ON HOW LONG CONDITIONS ARE TO REMAIN
FAVORABLE...WITH THE EWP SHOWING FAVORABLE CONDITIONS FOR UP TO
THREE WEEKS...WHILE THE CFS TAPERS OFF AFTER TWO. WE ARE DUE FOR A
LONG STRETCH...SO WE ARE LEANING IN FAVOR OF WHAT THE EWP
SUGGESTS.'

Could be our next invest brewing around 9N 32 W.
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941. Claudette1234 11:44 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
invest 99E red circle.

1. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH AN AREA OF DISTURBED
WEATHER LOCATED ABOUT 1150 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTHERN TIP OF
BAJA CALIFORNIA HAVE CONTINUED TO BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED...AND A
TROPICAL DEPRESSION MAY BE FORMING. IF CURRENT TRENDS CONTINUE...
ADVISORIES MAY BE INITIATED LATER THIS EVENING AS THE SYSTEM MOVES
WESTWARD OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH. THERE IS A HIGH
CHANCE...GREATER THAN 50 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
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943. KoritheMan 11:44 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting FloridaTigers:
The NHC is TOO conservative. Not even a mention?


No, they aren't. If I had a job as a forecaster there, I wouldn't have mentioned it either. I explained yesterday on AIM that 1988's Isaac developed from a vigorous perturbation in the ITCZ, developing the moment it detached, true, but that appears to have been an exception. Many disturbances within the ITCZ derive most, if not all, of their energy from the ITCZ. But if they are located within a stable environment like the one currently in the EATL, then they begin to struggle to organize until reaching a more moist airmass.

NHC probably did not mention it, because its low-level vorticity is minimal, and it is still confined to the ITCZ, being sustained only by it.
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944. KoritheMan 11:46 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
We were the 1st to predict a slow start to the hurricane season. We now have identified factors which will lead to a quiet Gulf in Sept. with no Gulf hurricanes. Storms that do form will turn out to sea. Watch for a possible mid-Sept. hurricane on the Atlantic seabord. Early fall weather will reduce any Oct. storms. The doom and gloom crowd will have a dose of tranquil weather.


No offense, but no one can predict long-range with even any remote degree of accuracy.

And besides, you aren't a met...

And I daresay this is mere wishcasting on your part after Gustav and Ike last year, and you just happened to have been right so far on an uneducated guess motivated by hope.
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945. Seflhurricane 11:46 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Eeventually it will, been persisting very well,

i still find it hard to believe that the NHC did not even mention it on the 8PM outlook, it does have the potential for development last time they waited for model consensus for a mention on the last invest
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946. DDR 11:46 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:



it seems it will go wnw, that high is sprawling. And since we don't know if it will develop, shallow to mid-level steering will likely control this system until development occurs.


Thanks,these areas of low pressure are common this time of year for us,they pass and dump excessive amounts of rainfall.
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947. PGIFL 11:46 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
W - 456
Deforestation is most rampant in Haiti.
948. HaboobsRsweet 11:47 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Give it a rest. They are not going to do anything until it is close enough to fly in. that is the reason 90L was never a TD...they couldnt fly into it so they didnt have concrete data to call it something. Yellow circle is at least 24 hours away.
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949. IKE 11:47 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
Quoting StormW:


Per wikipedia...."Vorticity is a concept used in fluid dynamics. In the simplest sense, vorticity is the tendency for elements of the fluid to "spin."".....

850 mb's is near the surface.

850 mb = 5,000 ft.


I see that....5,000 feet above sea level.
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950. Claudette1234 11:47 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
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951. Drakoen 11:48 PM GMT on August 03, 2009    
There is no reason for the the NHC to mention the ITCZ induced convection at this time. When and if it develops a surface low they may become more interested.
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