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Tropical Storm Danny not impressive yet
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:19 PM GMT on August 26, 2009 +2
Tropical Storm Danny is here, born from an African tropical wave that developed a closed circulation and some respectable heavy thunderstorm activity this morning. Data between 2 - 3 pm EDT from the Hurricane Hunters indicates the Danny has a central pressure of 1009 mb, and top surface winds of about 45 mph. Satellite imagery shows that Danny's circulation has gotten stretched and pulled away from the heaviest thunderstorm activity on the storm's east side. It is possible that Danny's center will reform at a different location, closer to the heaviest thunderstorms, so the model forecasts probably have a higher degree of uncertainty than usual at present. Wind shear has dropped to the low range, 5 - 10 knots. The upper-level low Danny is moving underneath has plenty of dry air in it, and this dry air is intruding into Danny's west side, keeping and heavy thunderstorm activity from developing on that side.


Figure 1. Oceanic heat content for August 25, 2009. Regions where the Sea Surface Temperature is below 80°F, or where the shallow waters of the Continental Shelf lie, do not have enough heat content to be plotted, and are shown in white colors. The oceanic heat content along the track of Tropical Storm Danny is below the threshold of 90 kJ/cm^2 typically seen with cases of rapid intensification. The storm position at 8am EDT today is given by the hurricane symbol with the "0" inside it. Subsequent hurricane symbols show the official NHC forecast points from the 11 am EDT forecast today, for 8am Thursday (24 hours), 8am Friday (48 hours), 8am Saturday (72 hours), and 8am Sunday (72 hours). The cold waters stirred up by Hurricane Bill last week will not impact Tropical Storm Danny. Image credit: RSMAS, University of Miami.

The forecast for Danny
As Danny continues to plow through the upper low, the low will weaken, but will dump dry air into the storm through Thursday afternoon, slowing down development. By Thursday night, when Danny should be several hundred miles off the coast of northern Florida, the upper-level low may be weak enough and far enough away that Danny will find itself in a region with light upper level anticyclonic winds, which would favor more rapid development. Ocean heat content (Figure 1) is high enough to support a hurricane, until Danny gets to about New Jersey's latitude. Most of the intensity models, including the GFDL, HWRF, and SHIPS model, forecast that Danny will become a hurricane by Friday. However, this favorable environment will not last long, since a strong trough of low pressure will be approaching the U.S. East Coast on Friday. This trough will bring high wind shear of 20 - 30 knots by Friday night. This trough should be strong enough to turn Danny to the north, then northeast on Saturday. The models have come into better agreement keeping Danny offshore as it passes North Carolina, though the storm is certainly capable of giving the Outer Banks a direct hit. As Danny passes North Carolina, it should start heading north-northeast, with a landfall likely Saturday afternoon or evening somewhere between Massachusetts and Nova Scotia. At that time, Danny is likely to be a strong tropical storm or weak Category 1 hurricane, with winds in the 55 - 80 mph range. The latest runs of the GFDL and GFS model have Danny tracking directly over Martha's Vineyard, where President Obama is on vacation. It will be interesting to see if the president stays on the island for Danny.

For those of you wondering about specific probabilities of getting tropical storm force or hurricane force winds, consult the NHC Wind Probability Product.


Figure 2. Tropical wave newly emerged from the coast of Africa, with some potential for development.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A well-organized tropical wave has exited the coast of Africa, and lies a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verdes Islands. None of the models are gung-ho about developing this wave, but shear is low, 10 knots, and waters are warm enough to support development. The dry Saharan Air Layer is relatively limited in extent and intensity, so dry air may have only a small inhibiting effect on the wave. Expect some slow development of this wave as it moves westward over the next few days. NHC is giving this system a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Friday afternoon.

I'll have an update Thursday.

Jeff Masters
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201. Chicklit 9:01 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
I'm having trouble finding circulation in Danny.
Link
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202. NRAamy 9:01 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
198. ConchHondros 2:00 PM PDT on August 26, 2009
Man, I just get done with work and off goes Myspace, Facebook, Twitter and this blog...you would think it was Armageddon...Danny looks sad...


don't be too sad...you missed my moronic nonsense on here earlier...and many a blogger would gladly trade places with you on that one...
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204. hurricanehanna 9:02 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
Hi Hannah...yes, there is Danny's invisible west side, preventing me from driving thank GOD.

I hear ya...hate driving in that mess. We have a mess coming down across S. LA. Yuck!
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205. UWalkTheMall 9:02 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Buhdog:
Cape Coral Funnel cloud? I live there..working 10 miles away...


where did you find this...i see nothing on nws


Seen it with my own eye's. Just reported on radio at Pine Island & Burnt Store.
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206. BahaHurican 9:02 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
yon,

They did comment that there was some debate about TS vs STS before they named it.
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207. 900MB 9:03 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Looks like NHC does have the COC plotted correctly, I don't think it jumped north. Rainbow shows it best:
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208. hurricanehanna 9:03 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting JLPR:
yeah now people are talking about the Cape Verde wave =P

but yep looking good and its d-min there
if it has a good d-max we might get 94L

You spotted it this AM - good call.
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209. ConchHondros 9:04 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting NRAamy:
198. ConchHondros 2:00 PM PDT on August 26, 2009
Man, I just get done with work and off goes Myspace, Facebook, Twitter and this blog...you would think it was Armageddon...Danny looks sad...


don't be too sad...you missed my moronic nonsense on here earlier...and many a blogger would gladly trade places with you on that one...


You mean the old pic thing with the measurements??? I lurked on that...
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210. EastCarolina 9:05 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting willdunc79:
JMHO I think the NHC are right on with Danny like they were with Bill. I feel like NC is going to stay out of the cone but Danny could either hit/brush the VA coast and ride the coastline up to the NE. I feel like NC and SC are safe from Danny like they were from Bill.


How could it hit VA but not NC?
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211. JLPR 9:05 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting hurricanehanna:

You spotted it this AM - good call.


nope I spotted it yesterday xD
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212. RyanFSU 9:05 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
18Z NAM just finished:

Landfall.

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213. yonzabam 9:05 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
I'm having trouble finding circulation in Danny.
Link


It's clear enough on the visible loop. Perhaps you're looking at the mass of cloud? Danny is the near naked swirl just to the west of that.
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214. atmoaggie 9:06 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
someone was paying attention when the monsoon storms didn't dissipate over "wet" land as much as the dry land...and our own experiences with Fay, Humberto, Allison.

Tropical storms endure over wet land, fizzle over dry

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - If it has already rained, it's going to continue to pour, according to a Purdue University study of how ocean-origin storms behave when they come ashore.

More than 30 years of monsoon data from India showed that ground moisture where the storms make landfall is a major indicator of what the storm will do from there. If the ground is wet, the storm is likely to sustain, while dry conditions should calm the storm.

"Once a storm comes overland, it was unclear whether it would stall, accelerate or fizzle out," said Dev Niyogi, Indiana state climatologist and associate professor of agronomy and earth and atmospheric sciences. "We found that whether a storm becomes more intense or causes heavy rains could depend on the land conditions - something we'd not considered. Thus far we've looked at these storms based mainly on ocean conditions or upper atmosphere."

Niyogi said tropical storms gain their strength from warm ocean water evaporation.

"The same phenomenon - the evaporation from the ocean that sustains the storms - could be the same phenomenon that sustains that storm over land with moisture in the soil," he said. "The storm will have more moisture and energy available over wet soil than dry."


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/pu-tse082609.php

It goes on to cover using ground moisture in modeling TCs and the expected effect. Wonder how they quantify the "ground" moisture in the Everglades, the Atchafalaya, and the like. (Very little "ground" to be had)
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216. palmbaywhoo 9:06 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
i dont blame ya chicklit, it has been nasty here lately. not much down here now but we no how quickly that can change
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217. SeniorPoppy 9:08 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:


Im assuming you mean how in the world I came up with THAT

But anyway it is simple, the high will be building by next week and according to the models we should not be seeing any troughs by the time the CV wave is by the CONUS. So it will be a primary due west track with the occasional WNW
wobble.

Again this is all speculation due to the fact that it has not even developed yet. But as of right now if it does indeed develop I dont see a trough or anything like that pushing it out to sea. It's something to watch come next week!


Let me rephrase that... the doomcasters will be out in full force.
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219. bingcrosby 9:10 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
I've heard a few mets say this could go "hybrid" as it rides up the east coast. What does that exactly mean?
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220. atmoaggie 9:11 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Thx, Ryan. does this say 982 mb for the center?

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221. tiggeriffic 9:11 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Watching Danny closely...and wondering also how it is possible to have a VA hit and no NC hit...
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222. willdunc79 9:11 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Also the fishcasters are here!
Danny will brush the coast and up to NE coast at the most.
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223. JLPR 9:13 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
I'm having trouble finding circulation in Danny.
Link


you can also see this floater
Link

It shows the center a little to the west of a new area of convection
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225. tiggeriffic 9:14 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Also still trying to figure out the forecast track with not much verticle stacking on Danny yet, takes the verticle stacking to be steered by a trough...
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226. atmoaggie 9:16 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Case in point: The mixing ratio at 850 mb is a little pitiful for a tropical system, and the negative vertical motions (downward) at 500 mb and 700 mb near the center is why:

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228. UWalkTheMall 9:17 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    


Water spout located at Fort Myers Beach around 4:30pm today.
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229. 7544 9:17 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
1o day gfsx guees what wave this is going over fla cant be the africa one right lol ''



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230. cajunmoma 9:17 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting barryweather:


I'll take a stab at it. During a positive NAO storms tend to veer out to sea due to troughs that extend into the atlantic and the orientation of the jet stream. During a negative NAO a ridge(High Pressure: colorfully refered to as the Ridge of Doom by some bloggers) sets up closer to home that allows storms to come into the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. That is my very limited understanding as toi what it means for us in the GOM and it is actually a much more complex phenomenon best described here: http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/data/teledoc/nao.shtml and maybe here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_oscillation


Thanks for answering. I agree it is very complex, and still somewhat mind boggling if you will. Thanks for the sites too, I will definately read up on it!!
231. SeniorPoppy 9:17 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
Also still trying to figure out the forecast track with not much verticle stacking on Danny yet, takes the verticle stacking to be steered by a trough...


Well if the storm went magically due west, JFV(WeatherStudent)(Drakoen...jk) would be driving the bus.
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232. Bordonaro 9:18 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
This 2009 Huuricane season is going to be a quiet year, compared to the last several years, compliments of El Nino, upper level wind shear increases almost always during an El Nino cycle. We've seen that up until around 8-10. As for TS Danny, everybody needs to remember that this little disorganized storm is sitting over 82-86F ocean water, has been producing 40-60MPH winds out of the NE quadrent for 24 hrs, even before there was a low level closed circulation. I am an avid weather watcher, no expert by any means, but don't be suprised if Danny becomes a Cat 1 hurricane early/mid Friday, with peak winds of 75-90MPH, taking a similar track that Hurricane Bill took! Feel kinda bad for people in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, 2 strong tropical storms moving across the same area only 1 week apart!! Mark my words, that Tropical Wave off of Africa will become a major hurricane! Peace.
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233. JLPR 9:20 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:


Are you calling me a doomcaster? I lost my house in Andrew,got beat up in Francis, lost roof in wilma and still is not 100% fixed. So remember that the next time you call me a doomcaster or something like that. I NEVER want people to experience hurricanes, and loose everything they have.


ignore him
if you say it is going to the sea you are a fishcaster
is you day it is going west you are a westcaster
if you say it could hit someone you are a doomcaster

bahh such an immature thing =\
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234. Cavin Rawlins 9:19 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    



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235. JLPR 9:20 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Bordonaro:
This 2009 Huuricane season is going to be a quiet year, compared to the last several years, compliments of El Nino, upper level wind shear increases almost always during an El Nino cycle. We've seen that up until around 8-10. As for TS Daniel, everybody needs to remember that this little disorganized storm is sitting over 82-86F ocean water, has been producing 40-60MPH winds out of the NE quadrent for 24+hrs, even before there was a low level closed circulation. I am an avid weather watcher, no expert by any means, but don't be suprised if Daniel becomes a Cat 1 hurricane early/mid Friday, with peak winds of 75-90MPH, taking a similar track that Hurricane Bill took! Feel kinda bad for people in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, 2 strong tropical storms moving across the same area only 1 week apart!! Mark my words, that Tropical Wave off of Africa will become a major hurricane! Peace.


lol one thing
what storm is named Daniel? xD
its Danny lol
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236. SeniorPoppy 9:20 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:


Are you calling me a doomcaster? I lost my house in Andrew,got beat up in Francis, lost roof in wilma and still is not 100% fixed. So remember that the next time you call me a doomcaster or something like that. I NEVER want people to experience hurricanes, and loose everything they have.


I was not referring to you. Just making a general comment about others that will come on the blog.
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237. atmoaggie 9:21 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting JLPR:


ignore him
if you say it is going to the sea you are a fishcaster
is you day it is going west you are a westcaster
if you say it could hit someone you are a doomcaster

bahh such an immature thing =\

I am just a plain ole caster, myself.

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238. mkmand 9:21 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Ok I gonna predict a minimum Cat. 1 Hurricane making landfall just south of Boston, Mass. early Sunday morning.

75 mph Hurricane at landfall
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239. willdunc79 9:21 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Ok I have to go back & rephrase and say that ALL the NC mets(I'm watching) are in agreement that the High Pressure off the coast will move to the right and open a pathway for Danny to move up to the NE and Danny will be far enough out and won't have any impacts for VA and south. Thats my final answer(I'm sticking with it!)
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240. tiggeriffic 9:22 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
SeniorPoppy...

didn't say it would track due west at any point...just don't see it taking a bill track is all...bill was bigger, badder and bolder than danny...lots of verticle stacking on bill that danny doesn't have
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241. JLPR 9:22 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

I am just a plain ole caster, myself.



as long as there isn't anything in front of the word caster we are alright xD
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242. SeniorPoppy 9:24 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
SeniorPoppy...

didn't say it would track due west at any point...just don't see it taking a bill track is all...bill was bigger, badder and bolder than danny...lots of verticle stacking on bill that danny doesn't have


I was just making a joke. You are correct about the verticle stacking.
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243. Bordonaro 9:27 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Sorry, for the record, I was wrong, it is TS Danny, not Daniel!! Thanks for catching my boo-boo :)
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244. mobilegirl81 9:27 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
The negative NAO is going to change the entire dynamics of the steering pattern for September. Look out gulf and florida.
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245. mobilegirl81 9:28 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
The negative NAO is going to change the entire dynamics of the steering pattern for September. Look out gulf and florida.

...and our friends on the islands.
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246. surfmom 9:28 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
In for a fast peek - thanks for the pics Weather 456

UWALKTHEMALL#228 - yikes..good I didn't see that picture before I picked my kid up from the dive boats. I fretted all day till the boat came in. I Trust the Captain and he did a great job... said it was weird weather out there. Storming seems to just sit 20-5 miles off shore. they spearfished just inside the line, keeping a very careful/watchful eye. Kid brought home a FEAST!
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247. JLPR 9:30 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
wave starting to be visible in this floater



we now have half of it here xD
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248. fishinfool33825 9:31 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Any thoughts as to the low spinning in the southeast gulf that channel 8 weatherwoman Jennifer Leah mentioned on the five o'clock news? It sure is pumping moisture over the peninsula... think it will drive out the dry air ahead of TS Danny? Anyone? That trough stretches all the way over to the Pacific.
249. NRAamy 9:31 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
bill was bigger, badder and bolder than danny

is he related to Kanye West?
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250. Cavin Rawlins 9:32 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
TD force winds along outerbanks



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251. audioslave8 9:32 PM GMT on August 26, 2009    
Looks like NC will be spared again. Could still be a threat to New England and Canada. Odds are starting to look like the US EC will dodge another bullet. The LLC looks to be relocating further E= track shifts east.

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