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New African disturbance 96L likely to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:55 PM GMT on September 07, 2009 +1
A tropical wave (96L) that emerged off the coast of Africa yesterday has organized rather quickly, and will likely become a tropical depression by Tuesday night. Satellite imagery from the European satellite shows a well-organized circulation, but not enough heavy thunderstorm activity near the center of circulation to be considered a tropical depression. The storm is far enough south that the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer is not a major impediment to development. Wind shear is moderate, 10 - 15 knots, and ocean temperatures are 1 - 2°C above the threshold needed for tropical cyclone formation.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 96L, off the coast of Africa. The remains of disturbance 95L, which are under 30 - 40 knots of wind shear, can be seen at upper left.

The forecast for 96L
Most of the models develop 96L, and the chances are that this disturbance will become Tropical Storm Fred later this week. The system will initially move west-northwest, but by Thursday, a strong trough of low pressure passing to 96L's north will pull the storm to the northwest, and may be capable of fully recurving the storm to the northeast. However, most of the models foresee that 96L will not move far enough north for this to happen, and that the storm will have to wait for the next trough of low pressure. With the steering pattern for this year continuing to feature plenty of deep troughs of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast, the odds of 96L making it all the way across the Atlantic to threaten land areas appear low. Still, much that is unexpected can and does happen in the world of tropical meteorology, and 96L bears watching.

North Carolina low
An area of concentrated thunderstorms has developed off the North Carolina coast in association with the remains of an old cold front. This system is under about 20 - 30 knots of shear, and is not tropical. However, it will bring heavy rain to eastern North Carolina today and Tuesday, as the storm slides north-northeastward along the coast.

I'll have an update Tuesday.

Jeff Masters
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51. Cavin Rawlins 3:15 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
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52. Dakster 3:15 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
WEather456 - I think the arguement is how can something "recurve" if it hasn't curved at least one time yet.

Kind of like, refinishing furniture - you gotta "restart" - which makes sense since it was already done once.
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53. Orcasystems 3:15 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    

AOI

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Updated with some of the graphics on the 850MB Relative Vorticity Overlay
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54. MiamiHurricanes09 3:15 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
10:30am Tropical Update.

is that a current image of 96L?
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55. Cavin Rawlins 3:16 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


IKE i believe you called for Erika to move well out to sea, well before Puerto Rico and the Islands......to the best of my memeory


the same time I was accuse of wanting it to go over the islands becuz of I wanted rain. I did wanted the rain, but that was not the basis of my forecast (a saw high building in) - the rain was just an added benefit.
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56. Stormchaser2007 3:16 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
is that a current image of 96L?


Yes.
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57. AllStar17 3:16 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
10:30am Tropical Update.



It appears 96L is gradually organizing, but is lacking some strong convection....as soon as it gets that, I would expect a Tropical Depression to be classified.
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58. BurnedAfterPosting 3:16 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


the same time I was accuse of wanting it to go over the islands becuz of I wanted rain. I did wanted the rain, but that was not the basis of my forecast (a saw high building in) - the rain was just an added benefit.


yup I remember that, and you were right lol
59. TampaSpin 3:17 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting laflastormtracker:


I'm with ya things sure are persisting down there...


100% NO CHANCE yet.....maybe in 3-4 days. There is nothing at any levels on Vorticity and Shear is 30-40kts......Nothing there but divergence.
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60. Stormchaser2007 3:18 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting AllStar17:


It appears 96L is gradually organizing, but is lacking some strong convection....as soon as it gets that, I would expect a Tropical Depression to be classified.


It should begin to develop some stronger convection later today or early tonight. I Tropical depression is likely by tomorrow.
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61. extreme236 3:18 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting AllStar17:


It appears 96L is gradually organizing, but is lacking some strong convection....as soon as it gets that, I would expect a Tropical Depression to be classified.


If you look at 15E over in the EPAC I'd say 96L is pretty close convectively to being a TD. If SAB was more inline with the TAFB we wouldve already had it.
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62. laflastormtracker 3:18 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
You all bicker like little children about systems that are half way around the world OR haven't even developed yet...
63. PcolaDan 3:19 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Dakster:
WEather456 - I think the arguement is how can something "recurve" if it hasn't curved at least one time yet.

Kind of like, refinishing furniture - you gotta "restart" - which makes sense since it was already done once.


So if you want to report someone, do you have to port them first?
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64. hurristat 3:19 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Is that little blob to the northwest of 96L the remnants of 95L?
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65. Tazmanian 3:19 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
96L dos not look has good has it was this time sunday we sould give it more time be for they make it a TD
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66. TampaSpin 3:20 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


the same time I was accuse of wanting it to go over the islands becuz of I wanted rain. I did wanted the rain, but that was not the basis of my forecast (a saw high building in) - the rain was just an added benefit.


Same as i did which is when IKE started his RECURVE or CURVE idea as usual.
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67. hurricane23 3:20 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
During the month of october in a normal season southeast florida would have to watch those stalled fronts in the gulf/caribbean but el nino's enfluence has pretty much shut down most of the caribbean this season.Great news if you asked me as the really took a beating last season with several major hurricane impacts on the cuban island.
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68. extreme236 3:20 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


100% NO CHANCE yet.....maybe in 3-4 days. There is nothing at any levels on Vorticity and Shear is 30-40kts......Nothing there but divergence.


Um, where is 30-40kts cause all I see is 20kts down over this blob...there is an anticyclone south of it over Mexico. Not saying its developing or is a threat to, just saying it isn't 30-40kts.
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69. TampaSpin 3:21 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting hurristat:
Is that little blob to the northwest of 96L the remnants of 95L?


yep
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71. Dakster 3:21 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:


So if you want to report someone, do you have to port them first?


Hehe... since report is the entire word. You would be Re-Reporting them... Or as presslord would say. Reeeeeeeeeeported.
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72. serialteg 3:21 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting hurristat:
Is that little blob to the northwest of 96L the remnants of 95L?


llc got displaced, thats the thunderstorm activity that remains?
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73. MiamiHurricanes09 3:21 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Yes.
It should be moved back to orange, convection is lacking too much.
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74. Cavin Rawlins 3:22 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Dakster,

true but this is how I interpret it

recurve - become curved backward or downward

so a curve would be shifting wnw to nw

but then re-curve is to curve that track backwards that is nw to ne

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75. Bordonaro 3:22 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting laflastormtracker:
You all bicker like little children about systems that are half way around the world OR haven't even developed yet...

I have come to the conclusion most weather affecanidos come complete with attitudes also!!
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76. AllStar17 3:23 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
It should be moved back to orange, convection is lacking too much.


??????

It is fine at red.
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78. BurnedAfterPosting 3:24 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
move back to orange?

um why?
79. mac3821 3:24 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
tr. & intr.v. re·curved, re·curv·ing, re·curves
To curve (something) backward or downward or become curved backward or downward.


So for all intensive purposes..."recurve doesn't neccesarily mean "to curve again". Think of it in term or a "Recurve Bow".....Like a bow and arrow...it refers to the shape.
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80. extreme236 3:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
It should be moved back to orange, convection is lacking too much.


No, why would you move it to red? The other agency says its already a TD, just not SAB.
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81. Dakster 3:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Dakster,

true but this is how I interpret it

recurve - become curved backward or downward

so a curve would be shifting wnw to nw

but then re-curve is to curve that track backwards that is nw to ne



I never disagreed with you. It doesn't make logical sense, but it is the definition of recurve. (I think I said it is one of the idiosyncrasies of the English Language.)

I can think of another example between curve and recurve, but this is a family blog so I digress.
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82. TampaSpin 3:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


Um, where is 30-40kts cause all I see is 20kts down over this blob...there is an anticyclone south of it over Mexico. Not saying its developing or is a threat to, just saying it isn't 30-40kts.



Yellow and Orange is 30-40kts just to the North and 20-30kts in its area to be more accurate........still nothing even close to forming.......its just divergence now.....Maybe in 3-4 days!
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83. mikatnight 3:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
tap...tap...tap...Is this thing on? I tell ya, I get no respect. Just yesterday I looked outside my window to check on the weather...and I got arrested for mooning!
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84. serialteg 3:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Dakster,

true but this is how I interpret it

recurve - become curved backward or downward

so a curve would be shifting wnw to nw

but then re-curve is to curve that track backwards that is nw to ne



yeah you're right i got it ;)

to recurve is to curve. poetic
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85. IKE 3:26 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Bordonaro:

I have come to the conclusion most weather affecanidos come complete with attitudes also!!


They do on here. All I was doing was emphasizing Dr. Masters use of REcurve. Then I was accused of leaving off part of what he was saying.
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86. Stormchaser2007 3:26 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
It should be moved back to orange, convection is lacking too much.




That would be completely stupid if they did that. It needs to fire one good round of thunderstorms then as soon as that happens it would be classified.

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87. jeffs713 3:26 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting mikatnight:


Did you know that 83.7% of all ststistics are made up on the spot?

LOL. good one.
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89. MiamiHurricanes09 3:27 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:




That would be completely stupid if they did that. It needs to fire one good round of thunderstorms then as soon as that happens it would be classified.
LMAO, i love the smiley twitch.
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90. serialteg 3:28 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:




That would be completely stupid if they did that. It needs to fire one good round of thunderstorms then as soon as that happens it would be classified.


what is that icon, a face twitch? LOL
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92. TampaSpin 3:29 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Seems this blog has 45% downcasters 45% wishcasters and 5% that have no idea and 4% that think they have an idea and 1% that probably know to much and gets them in trouble with the other 99%!
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93. Cavin Rawlins 3:32 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
NVRM, the links not working
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94. BurnedAfterPosting 3:31 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Seems this blog has 45% downcasters 45% wishcasters and 5% that have no idea and 4% that think they have an idea and 1% that probably know to much and gets them in trouble with the other 99%!


did you know that 56.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

I would actually keep raise the percentage for your 3rd and 4th ones to close to 15% for each lol
95. HurricaneKyle 3:31 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Uhh.. 96L looks great. I don't know what some of you guys are seeing, its actually more organized than yesterday.
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96. TampaSpin 3:31 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
TROPICAL SYNOPSIS SPECIAL EDITION SEPTEMBER 07, 2009 ISSUED 2:20 A.M. EDT


Hey StormW.....good Labor Day my friend.
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97. hurricane23 3:32 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
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98. serialteg 3:32 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Guys, question

Are the clay-colored lines underneath the anticyclone that i've been hearing about over 96L?

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99. MiamiHurricanes09 3:32 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Strong anticyclone placed over 96L, can't wait till the canes play tonight, now back to the tropics.
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100. Dakster 3:32 PM GMT on September 07, 2009    
Quoting jeffs713:

LOL. good one.
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


did you know that 56.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot?


Did you know that until recently 50% of all people that got divorced were men.
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