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New African disturbance 96L likely to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:55 PM GMT on September 07, 2009 +1
A tropical wave (96L) that emerged off the coast of Africa yesterday has organized rather quickly, and will likely become a tropical depression by Tuesday night. Satellite imagery from the European satellite shows a well-organized circulation, but not enough heavy thunderstorm activity near the center of circulation to be considered a tropical depression. The storm is far enough south that the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer is not a major impediment to development. Wind shear is moderate, 10 - 15 knots, and ocean temperatures are 1 - 2°C above the threshold needed for tropical cyclone formation.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 96L, off the coast of Africa. The remains of disturbance 95L, which are under 30 - 40 knots of wind shear, can be seen at upper left.

The forecast for 96L
Most of the models develop 96L, and the chances are that this disturbance will become Tropical Storm Fred later this week. The system will initially move west-northwest, but by Thursday, a strong trough of low pressure passing to 96L's north will pull the storm to the northwest, and may be capable of fully recurving the storm to the northeast. However, most of the models foresee that 96L will not move far enough north for this to happen, and that the storm will have to wait for the next trough of low pressure. With the steering pattern for this year continuing to feature plenty of deep troughs of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast, the odds of 96L making it all the way across the Atlantic to threaten land areas appear low. Still, much that is unexpected can and does happen in the world of tropical meteorology, and 96L bears watching.

North Carolina low
An area of concentrated thunderstorms has developed off the North Carolina coast in association with the remains of an old cold front. This system is under about 20 - 30 knots of shear, and is not tropical. However, it will bring heavy rain to eastern North Carolina today and Tuesday, as the storm slides north-northeastward along the coast.

I'll have an update Tuesday.

Jeff Masters
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1102. Seastep 1:22 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting Twinkster:



this will be fred. where have you been


LOL!

And can't stop. TY.
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1103. TexasHurricane 1:22 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


I'm not too good at reading the models either. The GFS doesn't look too good. But I think it's the only one calling for development. So hopefully it won't be too bad.

If you move the cursor over 162 to 168hrs, look on the bottom right it shows the GFS thinking.
Link


Hi homeless,

I saw that link...very interesting. I wonder what the strength is that they are suggesting? I guess it is a wait and see situation just like all the others....
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1105. Samantha550 1:23 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


I'm not too good at reading the models either. The GFS doesn't look too good. But I think it's the only one calling for development. So hopefully it won't be too bad.

If you move the cursor over 162 to 168hrs, look on the bottom right it shows the GFS thinking.
Link


Fun times, atleast we are in the know. Lets just hope for a good rain event.
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1106. JRRP 1:23 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


back towards the SW, which I'm not putting confidence in. Ensembles are used to measure the likelihood of a forecast. I do think it will turn back west, but SW, I'm not a 100% convinced.


thanks
now i know what is that means
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1107. Seastep 1:24 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:
G'evening, all! Ya volvio este acere, mi gente, que hubo??? :)


If I could understand you, I might be able to answer.
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1110. serialteg 1:26 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


back towards the SW, which I'm not putting confidence in. Ensembles are used to measure the likelihood of a forecast. I do think it will turn back west, but SW, I'm not a 100% convinced.



that's a whole lotta ridging..
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1111. Seastep 1:26 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


My apologies, I had just said, what's good, all?


All's good.
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1112. Cavin Rawlins 1:29 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting serialteg:


that's a whole lotta ridging..


it could also be prolong ridging especially if the temporal difference between the 2 troughs is large
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1114. bwat 1:29 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Hey all, off subject a little, but will anyone forecast a rainfall amount for the area of low pressure located around zip code 27944? We've had a plenty of rain in the last few weeks, and this system looks to be a drencher! Any thoughts?
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1115. bwat 1:32 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Hey all, blog ate my first post. Anyone got any rainfall estimates for zip 27944? We've already had a plenty of rain and don't need any more.
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1116. Cavin Rawlins 1:32 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting bwat:
Hey all, off subject a little, but will anyone forecast a rainfall amount for the area of low pressure located around zip code 27944? We've had a plenty of rain in the last few weeks, and this system looks to be a drencher! Any thoughts?


Hertford, North Carolina?

Widespread moderate to heavy rain showers will allow an additional 3 to 4 inches of rainfall
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1119. Ameister12 1:33 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting iceman55:

Oh my!
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1122. TexasHurricane 1:34 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting iceman55:
wow gfs


what? something new?
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1124. bwat 1:35 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


Hertford, North Carolina?

Widespread moderate to heavy rain showers will allow an additional 3 to 4 inches of rainfall
Yep, I hope we don't get all that. We are trying to get our corn and milo picked but if this rain does not let up we won't be able to get in the fields.
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1128. serialteg 1:37 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting bwat:
Yep, I hope we don't get all that. We are trying to get our corn and milo picked but if this rain does not let up we won't be able to get in the fields.


your who and what?
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1129. Cavin Rawlins 1:38 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Think he meant this - W GOM

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1130. TexasHurricane 1:39 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
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1131. Ameister12 1:39 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting iceman55:
Ameister12 :)

iceman55 :)
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1132. bwat 1:39 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting serialteg:


your who and what?
Just a guy who wants to get in the field and earn his keep.
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1133. tornadodude 1:40 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
good evening everyone!!
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1135. Ameister12 1:41 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
I gotta read and go to bed. It a shame I can't stay up 'till 11pm.

Oh well, goodnight everyone!
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1137. Cavin Rawlins 1:41 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting tornadodude:
good evening everyone!!


evening
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1139. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:43 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 08 SEP 2009 Time : 004500 UTC
Lat : 12:34:41 N Lon : 25:17:48 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
2.5 /1005.0mb/ 35.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
2.5 2.7 3.0

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +0.0mb

Center Temp : -50.2C Cloud Region Temp : -46.5C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : 0.2T/hour
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

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1140. CosmicEvents 1:44 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting bwat:
Just a guy who wants to get in the field and earn his keep.

Welcome.
And good luck with the rain.
Hope you can get the corn and milo? off the trees.
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1141. homelesswanderer 1:44 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting btwntx08:
hey homelesswanderer look what our local discussion said
AFDBRO

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BROWNSVILLE TX
738 PM CDT MON SEP 7 2009

.DISCUSSION...AFTERNOON AND EVENING CONVECTION NEARLY ENDED OVER
DEEP SOUTH TEXAS AT THIS TIME. GFS MODEL GUIDANCE CONTINUING TO
SUGGEST THAT SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL
PREVAIL THROUGH THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS WITH SURFACE TROUGHINESS...
VERY DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE...AND LIGHT SURFACE WINDS IN PLACE.
MOST INTERESTING ASPECT OF GFS GUIDANCE IS DEVELOPMENT OF WEAK
TROPICAL SYSTEM ALONG THE LOWER TEXAS COAST LATE IN THE COMING
WEEKEND
. WAY TOO EARLY TO SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT THIS WILL INDEED
OCCUR
. IN THE MEANTIME...TROPICAL DOWNPOURS WILL AID IN LESSENING
THE GRIP THE EXTREME TO EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT CURRENTLY HAS ON THE
RIO GRANDE VALLEY.


Yep. That's what the models were showing the last few days. Development in your area and riding up the coast. Looks to be a nasty weekend for us all.
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1142. tornadodude 1:45 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
does an 11 oclock advisory come out?
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1145. cchsweatherman 1:46 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Just noticed in checking the models that the NAM shows a weak tropical cyclone developing near Cuba and rides it up SE Florida by mid-week. Don't really believe this solution since its just the NAM depicting this, but its something to keep in mind in the coming days.
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1146. tornadodude 1:47 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting iceman55:
some one just told me we find out at 11pm


yeah, it is looking really good right now
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1147. CosmicEvents 1:47 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:
Just noticed in checking the models that the NAM shows a weak tropical cyclone developing near Cuba and rides it up SE Florida by mid-week. Don't really believe this solution since its just the NAM depicting this, but its something to keep in mind in the coming days.

The NAM could be picking up on that spin at 24-69.
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1150. bwat 1:48 AM GMT on September 08, 2009    
Quoting CosmicEvents:

Welcome.
And good luck with the rain.
Hope you can get the corn and milo? off the trees.
Search milo grain....might take some of the confusion out.
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