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Ida takes aim at the U.S. Gulf Coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:17 PM GMT on November 08, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida burst into the Gulf of Mexico as a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds this afternoon, and is poised to deliver a solid blow to the U.S. Gulf Coast between Southeast Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle on Tuesday morning. Radar imagery out of Cancun reveals that Ida has retained its tight inner core this afternoon, with only limited rain bands affecting Mexico and western Cuba. Top winds at Cancun, Mexico today were only 15 mph, despite the fact that Ida passed just 60 miles east of the city. Infrared and visible satellite loops show little change in the intensity of Ida's heavy thunderstorms this afternoon, but the cloud pattern is beginning to become distorted due to strong upper-level winds from the southwest that are creating 20 - 25 knots of wind shear over the hurricane. Water vapor satellite imagery reveals a large area of dry air to the southwest of Ida, but this dry air has not yet intruded into Ida's core. The latest 5:30 pm EST vortex report from the Hurricane Hunters showed that the central pressure had risen 1 mb, to 977 mb, but that the surface winds were still near 100 mph. They noted that the eyewall was open to the east, a sign that Ida's inner core may be in trouble.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image from NASA's Terra spacecraft, taken at 1:35 pm EST 11/08/09. Image credit: NASA.

The intensity forecast for Ida
The high wind shear of 20 - 25 knots currently affecting Ida is forecast to persist at that level until Monday night. With the storm now beginning to show a distortion of the cloud pattern due to this shear, it would not be a surprise of the shear managed to inject some dry air into Ida's core Monday morning, significantly weakening the storm. Aiding this process will be cooler waters. Early Monday morning, Ida will be crossing over waters of 26°C, which is barely enough to support a hurricane. By Monday night, wind shear is expected to increase to 40 knots, which ordinarily would begin to tear the storm apart. This wind shear is due to an extratropical low pressure system over the western Gulf of Mexico, and this low will begin dumping cold, stable air into Ida Monday night through Tuesday. This will cause Ida to begin transitioning to an extratropical storm, and it is possible that during the transition Ida's winds will die down relatively slowly, despite the wind shear. The intensity forecast has a high amount of uncertainty, and I wouldn't be surprised at a landfall strength anywhere in the range of 45 mph - 80 mph. My personal best guess is a 50 - 60 mph tropical storm at landfall. Regardless of Ida's strength at landfall, the storm will be able to dump 4 - 8 inches of rain along the Gulf Coast, from New Orleans to Panama City. Isolated tornadoes will also be possible, primarily to the right side of Ida's track.


Figure 2. Maximum storm surge (depth of water above ground) for a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds moving north-northeast at 15 mph. Ida is expected to be moving at this speed and direction at landfall, but will probably be weaker, so surges will not be this high. Image credit: NOAA SLOSH model run for Mobile Bay, 2008 version. Heights are given relative to the NAVD88 datum.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Storm surge is the other major concern for Ida. With a strong high pressure system anchored over the U.S. today, the pressure difference between this high and Ida is creating a strong pressure gradient that will drive tides 3 - 5 feet above normal from New Orleans to the Florida Panhandle tonight. As Ida approaches on Monday, an additional rise in water will occur, and a large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time. With battering waves building Monday afternoon into Tuesday morning, a significant coastal erosion event is shaping up. A particular concern is the western end of Alabama's Dauphin Island, where storm surges from four hurricanes over the past fifteen years have caused heavy damage to the low-lying heavily developed island. If Ida makes a direct hit on Mobile Bay as a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds, a storm surge of up to six feet is possible there, assuming the storm hits at mean tide. The tidal range along the Gulf Coast varies by about 1.5 feet between low and high tide (Figure 3). High tide is near 2 am EST on Tuesday, but the official NHC forecast currently has the storm hitting between 6 am - 9 am, when the tide will be going out, so the storm may indeed be hitting at about mean tide.


Figure 3. The tide forecast for the Gulf Coast calls for high tide to occur around 2 am EST Tuesday morning. Ida is expected to hit later that morning, while the tide is going out.

I'll have an update Monday morning.

Links to follow:

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452. Canekid98 1:39 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
do i here in Houston need to be concerened with Ida? i know she is moving nnw but could that high push it here?
453. CrazyDuke 1:39 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
105.. You know, It's going to be a strange season if we have only 3 'canes and all of them be major, right? Well, looking at that water vapor loop, it looks like IDA may start sucking on some dry air soon from her west. That should stop the strengthening.
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454. WaterWitch11 1:39 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:


Dude...I can't wait. Doug is going to help me punch the core.

What does that mean. Tune in to find out when we go-live!


will you post the link?
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456. BurnedAfterPosting 1:40 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting NewToWeather:
Hey what are the chances of this thing hitting South Florida. The east coast of Florida? Should I get my shutters together and on the windows or what?


Sorry to the few that were rude to you; a part of S Florida is still in the cone of error. I would still keep an eye on this situation just in case.
457. Portlight 1:40 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
we have posted a working planning document on our featured Blog outling some of our Ida plans if needed...y'all might find it interesting...
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458. ElConando 1:40 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I got a 50-60% of TS winds. goody...
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459. trey33 1:40 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

I believe the word you are searching for is twit.

That other word is reserved for the one whom says "Puddy Tat!"


ROTF!

So Pensacola is in the clear. Cantore never goes to where the storm actually makes landfall.
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460. Patrap 1:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Purple Tower Pops in the JSL newest Still Image

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461. NewToWeather 1:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Well I'm not too weather savvy thats why I am asking I am new to all of this and If I could understand what the NHC was saying I wouldnt have asked. :( If its to early to tell or if I am safe in south east florida then great!
462. kanc2001 1:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting seflagamma:
Oh My Goodness,

TWC is acutally having a update on the tropics right now.


they have totally disregarded the tropics lately.. they no longer have the Tropical Updates at 50 past the hour like they have for years.


If they have a "movie" or someting like that, they say "To hell with real weather!" we want viewers...????

but who would view them anymore once they quit doing weather???


wx channel is garbage now quit watching it
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463. mossyhead 1:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


I hydroplaned one day in a chevy chevette years ago between DFS and PDL on I-10. I wound up in the other lane. Fortunately there was no vehicle in the fast lane or I probably wouldn't be here today.
I bounced around the guard rails and then was caught between a semi and fast lanes guard rail and was drugged 50 feet and wound up in the median. jan. 1, 2006.
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464. atmoaggie 1:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
18Z GFDL...send Ida ashore between Mobile and P'cola.

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465. IKE 1:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Appears headed NNW at a slightly faster rate of speed. Approaching 24N.
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467. Patrap 1:42 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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468. BurnedAfterPosting 1:43 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Are you Serious!!!

It would have to take a NE ENE turn to make it S.FLA

its heading WNW.



1st off its moving NNW, not WNW
2nd many many models forecast a sharp turn to the east and southeast
469. IKE 1:43 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting mossyhead:
I bounced around the guard rails and then was caught between a semi and fast lanes guard rail and was drugged 50 feet and wound up in the median. jan. 1, 2006.


Good lord.

I don't take I-10 if it's raining. I'll go on highway 90.

I evacuated when Opal hit and took 90 to Sneads with no problems.
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470. reedzone 1:43 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
The most horrible part about this is that the media really downplayed this, people are caught off guard.
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472. mossyhead 1:44 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting kanc2001:


wx channel is garbage now quit watching it
I remeber severe storms were happening in the midwest at night and they kept their regular scheduled programs.
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473. pcolasky 1:44 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:
18Z GFDL...send Ida ashore between Mobile and P'cola.



I think most of us are prepared! Cat 1 or a strong TS
474. BenBIogger 1:44 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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476. ElConando 1:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ike: My cousins Chevette partially hydroplaned into a ditch, by I mean partially, I mean that he was so scared that he hydroplaned he ran off the road and into a ditch. He still claims that he should have been able to recover way before he would have gone off the road.
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477. mossyhead 1:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Good lord.

I don't take I-10 if it's raining. I'll go on highway 90.

I evacuated when Opal hit and took 90 to Sneads with no problems.
I lived in Navarre at that time and had to stay because of my job. Which was best considering everybody left late and jammed up the highways.
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479. pcolasky 1:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Actually, looking on Facebook...most are surprised! Storm, what storm?
480. WaterWitch11 1:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
The most horrible part about this is that the media really downplayed this, people are caught off guard.


just like Ike
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481. NewToWeather 1:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


Sorry to the few that were rude to you; a part of S Florida is still in the cone of error. I would still keep an eye on this situation just in case.


Its Okay! I guess rude people don't have patience for new people. Im new to looking at weather stuff and I wasn't sure.
482. CyberStorm 1:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Are you Serious!!!

It would have to take a NE ENE turn to make it S.FLA

its heading WNW.

him and charltte been here all day screaming its going to west side of florida.were in a 48 hour forecast.nhc is almost always on within 2 to 3 daysthey think a wobble is movement and think the trouf is already interacting with the storm.lol
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483. JUSTCOASTING 1:47 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Thanks Storm and OZ......
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484. Drakoen 1:47 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Impressive:



I think she could be a minimal Category 3 hurricane.
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487. BurnedAfterPosting 1:47 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:



Sigh. the point is i just dont see how it can go to S.FLA if it doesnt make the turn soon.

Show me some evidence to ur case and then ill go back to lurking


take a look at the models at 18Z

most of them take the storm back to the east and south
488. iluvjess 1:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:
18Z GFDL...send Ida ashore between Mobile and P'cola.



Right over my house.
489. louisianaboy444 1:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I dont see South Florida but i can see Mobile area i dont think it will be as far South as South Fla or as far West as Southeastern Louisiana but remember if the system becomes extratropical it really doesnt matter where the center would make landfall as weather will be spread out in outter rainbands well east of the center
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490. Jedkins01 1:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
I believe the turn is coming early from everything i have looked at.....Just My Opinion!


Yeah ive beeb calling for a more easterly track the whole time, and ive been right so far...

The chances of a landfall here in the tampa bay area, thankfully seem pretty lame, however im pretty darn sure its gonna be further east then the NHC path/model consensus.

Its already missing the track to the right, even if it continued to move in the same direction(NNW with easterly jogs) its gonna end up, at FURTHEST west, Pensacola. But we know its not gonna continue on the exact same path, and that is must turn sharply east at some point.

That being said, theres some pretty darn surety its gonna make landfall east of pensacola. Ive been saying all along, central panhandle, thats my continued expectation of highest probability. That would be my center of my cone lol

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491. MrstormX 1:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Normally media is all over hurricanes but not this time round I fear people will be dreadfully unprepared and we all know what happens next.
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492. jipmg 1:49 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
Normally media is all over hurricanes but not this time round I fear people will be dreadfully unprepared and we all know what happens next.


TWC is a complete joke.. they aren't even on storm alert
493. alaina1085 1:50 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
I dont see South Florida but i can see Mobile area i dont think it will be as far South as South Fla or as far West as Southeastern Louisiana but remember if the system becomes extratropical it really doesnt matter where the center would make landfall as weather will be spread out in outter rainbands well east of the center


They still expecting it to go extratropical?
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494. Patrap 1:50 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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495. aquak9 1:50 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting NewToWeather:


Its Okay! I guess rude people don't have patience for new people. Im new to looking at weather stuff and I wasn't sure.


rough time to be a new poster here, for sure. Everyone's nerves are shot, and some of us have done nothing but look at maps, graphs, charts and sat pics for the past 16 hours or more. Since Tuesday.

We are exhausted, getting testy, and it ain't NEARLY over yet. SO just be gentle with us and we'll try to be gentle with you.

And by the way...welcome to WU.
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496. catastropheadjuster 1:50 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
hey all I just got home from packing the boat shop up, i see it was for a good reason. I was reading some post and there saying maybe coming up mobile bay is that right? I know things can change but i was just wondering if it was right. I live in Satsuma,Al and have a boat repair shop in chickasaw,Ala right outside of Mobile.

sheri
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497. CyberStorm 1:50 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Impressive:



I think she could be a minimal Category 3 hurricane.
its passing over the gulf stream loop current right now
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498. tramp96 1:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Good lord.

I don't take I-10 if it's raining. I'll go on highway 90.

I evacuated when Opal hit and took 90 to Sneads with no problems.


Is it st. law in fl. to have game fences along the major hwys.?
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500. divdog 1:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Impressive:



I think she could be a minimal Category 3 hurricane.
man that is really looking good. have we peaked or is there a little more in the tank
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501. ElConando 1:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


take a look at the models at 18Z

most of them take the storm back to the east and south


That would surprise my parents.
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