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Ida takes aim at the U.S. Gulf Coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:17 PM GMT on November 08, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida burst into the Gulf of Mexico as a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds this afternoon, and is poised to deliver a solid blow to the U.S. Gulf Coast between Southeast Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle on Tuesday morning. Radar imagery out of Cancun reveals that Ida has retained its tight inner core this afternoon, with only limited rain bands affecting Mexico and western Cuba. Top winds at Cancun, Mexico today were only 15 mph, despite the fact that Ida passed just 60 miles east of the city. Infrared and visible satellite loops show little change in the intensity of Ida's heavy thunderstorms this afternoon, but the cloud pattern is beginning to become distorted due to strong upper-level winds from the southwest that are creating 20 - 25 knots of wind shear over the hurricane. Water vapor satellite imagery reveals a large area of dry air to the southwest of Ida, but this dry air has not yet intruded into Ida's core. The latest 5:30 pm EST vortex report from the Hurricane Hunters showed that the central pressure had risen 1 mb, to 977 mb, but that the surface winds were still near 100 mph. They noted that the eyewall was open to the east, a sign that Ida's inner core may be in trouble.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image from NASA's Terra spacecraft, taken at 1:35 pm EST 11/08/09. Image credit: NASA.

The intensity forecast for Ida
The high wind shear of 20 - 25 knots currently affecting Ida is forecast to persist at that level until Monday night. With the storm now beginning to show a distortion of the cloud pattern due to this shear, it would not be a surprise of the shear managed to inject some dry air into Ida's core Monday morning, significantly weakening the storm. Aiding this process will be cooler waters. Early Monday morning, Ida will be crossing over waters of 26°C, which is barely enough to support a hurricane. By Monday night, wind shear is expected to increase to 40 knots, which ordinarily would begin to tear the storm apart. This wind shear is due to an extratropical low pressure system over the western Gulf of Mexico, and this low will begin dumping cold, stable air into Ida Monday night through Tuesday. This will cause Ida to begin transitioning to an extratropical storm, and it is possible that during the transition Ida's winds will die down relatively slowly, despite the wind shear. The intensity forecast has a high amount of uncertainty, and I wouldn't be surprised at a landfall strength anywhere in the range of 45 mph - 80 mph. My personal best guess is a 50 - 60 mph tropical storm at landfall. Regardless of Ida's strength at landfall, the storm will be able to dump 4 - 8 inches of rain along the Gulf Coast, from New Orleans to Panama City. Isolated tornadoes will also be possible, primarily to the right side of Ida's track.


Figure 2. Maximum storm surge (depth of water above ground) for a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds moving north-northeast at 15 mph. Ida is expected to be moving at this speed and direction at landfall, but will probably be weaker, so surges will not be this high. Image credit: NOAA SLOSH model run for Mobile Bay, 2008 version. Heights are given relative to the NAVD88 datum.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Storm surge is the other major concern for Ida. With a strong high pressure system anchored over the U.S. today, the pressure difference between this high and Ida is creating a strong pressure gradient that will drive tides 3 - 5 feet above normal from New Orleans to the Florida Panhandle tonight. As Ida approaches on Monday, an additional rise in water will occur, and a large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time. With battering waves building Monday afternoon into Tuesday morning, a significant coastal erosion event is shaping up. A particular concern is the western end of Alabama's Dauphin Island, where storm surges from four hurricanes over the past fifteen years have caused heavy damage to the low-lying heavily developed island. If Ida makes a direct hit on Mobile Bay as a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds, a storm surge of up to six feet is possible there, assuming the storm hits at mean tide. The tidal range along the Gulf Coast varies by about 1.5 feet between low and high tide (Figure 3). High tide is near 2 am EST on Tuesday, but the official NHC forecast currently has the storm hitting between 6 am - 9 am, when the tide will be going out, so the storm may indeed be hitting at about mean tide.


Figure 3. The tide forecast for the Gulf Coast calls for high tide to occur around 2 am EST Tuesday morning. Ida is expected to hit later that morning, while the tide is going out.

I'll have an update Monday morning.

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501. ElConando 1:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


take a look at the models at 18Z

most of them take the storm back to the east and south


That would surprise my parents.
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502. IKE 1:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:


Doug and I are planning on using the following roads.

98, 90, 298


Be careful on highway 98. Not sure about 298 or where it's at.

Quoting ElConando:
Ike: My cousins Chevette partially hydroplaned into a ditch, by I mean partially, I mean that he was so scared that he hydroplaned he ran off the road and into a ditch. He still claims that he should have been able to recover way before he would have gone off the road.


Scary feeling hydroplaning.
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503. Ossqss 1:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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504. MrstormX 1:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting jipmg:


TWC is a complete joke.. they aren't even on storm alert


Agreed March of the Penguins is so much more important then some decent weather news, hell they will probably even run storm stories as the thing landfalls.
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505. PcolaDan 1:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Escambia County Florida Schools closed Monday and Tuesday.

from WEARTV:
"BREAKING NEWS: Escambia County, Florida - Escambia County, Florida public schools (pre-K - 12th grade) will be closed Monday and Tuesday due to the approach of hurricane Ida. Escambia County, FL declared a state of emergency Sunday evening. They are asking for voluntary evacuations along coastal areas. Bridges will be shut down if winds sustain 45 mph or more."
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506. weathersp 1:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
Normally media is all over hurricanes but not this time round I fear people will be dreadfully unprepared and we all know what happens next.


Problem is going to be when people on the beach are going wake up tomorrow with water on their stoop.
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507. ElConando 1:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting divdog:
man that is really looking good. have we peaked or is there a little more in the tank


I think I little more but we shall see.
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508. Nolehead 1:53 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
486. DestinJeff 1:47 AM GMT on November 09, 2009
alan sealls: "that's a lot of shoulds"


exactly....they are all just thinking that it's going to go "poof" and that it will just disapear?? just don't get it....woulda shuda my butt....it's a freak storm noone knows what the heck it's going to do...hell the NHC had it what being only at 60 mph at this time?? expect the unexpected i think on this one....just hope it don't catch too many off guard.
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511. MrstormX 1:53 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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512. CyberStorm 1:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting ElConando:


That would surprise my parents.
by time it makes it south florida it will be a remnant cirrus cloud.this storm is tiny.hurricane force winds only extend 30 miles from the center.i doubt south florida or the west side near tampa will get anything more than 2 miles inland more than a 20 mph gust of wind with scattered drizzle.
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513. BenBIogger 1:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    

850-500mb mean steering
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515. mossyhead 1:54 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
Normally media is all over hurricanes but not this time round I fear people will be dreadfully unprepared and we all know what happens next.
Walmart is going to get a lot of business.
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516. MrstormX 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I find it funny how its almost the same windspeed as Ike at landfall in Texas.
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517. Patrap 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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518. IKE 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ida looks headed just like the GFS has been advertising.

Shear decreasing north of it, but running around 20-30 knots...

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519. ALCoastGambler 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting catastropheadjuster:
hey all I just got home from packing the boat shop up, i see it was for a good reason. I was reading some post and there saying maybe coming up mobile bay is that right? I know things can change but i was just wondering if it was right. I live in Satsuma,Al and have a boat repair shop in chickasaw,Ala right outside of Mobile.

sheri
Hello Sheri..Alan Down in Fowl River by Dauphin Island
520. divdog 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting BenBIogger:

850-500mb mean steering
still gettin tugged nnw right ???
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521. AussieStorm 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
Normally media is all over hurricanes but not this time round I fear people will be dreadfully unprepared and we all know what happens next.

Is there any reason why this hasn't become a major event on news there in the GOMEX states?
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522. Ameister12 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I think that Ida might be trying to clear an eye.
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523. kingzfan104 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
524. Jedkins01 1:55 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting weathergeek5:


He is on twitter and here is his latest tweet:

JimCantore
Following

* Follow
* Lists
*

Your lists:

1.

Heading to Florida with Abrams. No we aren't having an affair... remember she Wakes up with AL



Cantore, always been the best of TWC.

She probably does "wake up with Al"
She annoys the living crap out of me, along with "Al" himself, they would make a great pain in the butt couple haha
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525. NewToWeather 1:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Welcome,

I wasnt beening rude , but if you took Offense Im Sorry.

I am a Fellow South Floridan

and i do belive it will not affect us directly , i was just stateing my opinon which i have a right too as long as i dont offend anyone on the blog.

Okay enough acting like a Robot



It's okay...really...it's not a big deal I know people get stressed out when these hurricanes make a threat. I guess I chose the wrong state to move to.
526. 850Realtor 1:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:


Agree, happy to be living out by airport. Ivan tore up areas I never expected to get so much water so powerfully. Navy Point (Bayou Grande) especially. You can see on the map the surge came thru the pass, around the Navy Base, around the little peninsula and thru about 200 yard inlet. The area just north of A C Read golf course is what got wiped out. Storm surge is unpredictable and scary.




Exactly! That is where I live! Tore up from the floor up...
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527. ElConando 1:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Fla EOC is at lvl 2 atm.
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528. rareaire 1:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
are we still talking subtropical at this point?
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529. aquak9 1:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:
Escambia County Florida Schools closed Monday and Tuesday.

from WEARTV:
"BREAKING NEWS: Escambia County, Florida - Escambia County, Florida public schools (pre-K - 12th grade) will be closed Monday and Tuesday due to the approach of hurricane Ida. Escambia County, FL declared a state of emergency Sunday evening. They are asking for voluntary evacuations along coastal areas. Bridges will be shut down if winds sustain 45 mph or more."


goodness, at least they came to their senses, even if it IS almost 8pm their time.

Good thinking. Thanks for the post, doug.
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530. EastCoastMove 1:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
What time do the new model runs come out? It seems/has been a long time (1:00 Eastern) since the last runs...
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532. divdog 1:57 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Ida looks headed just like the GFS has been advertising.

Shear decreasing north of it, but running around 20-30 knots...

does that mean it might maintain cat2 strenth for 24 hours or so??
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533. CyberStorm 1:57 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Ameister12:
I think that Ida might be trying to clear an eye.
lol where?that yellow spot 50 miles east of the center?
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534. augfan 1:58 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:



Sigh. the point is i just dont see how it can go to S.FLA if it doesnt make the turn soon.

Show me some evidence to ur case and then ill go back to lurking

It hits and bounces. Or is caught up in the cold front going south. Or crosses the state and then loops south.

IMHO, nobody knows yet.
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535. BenBIogger 1:58 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting divdog:
still gettin tugged nnw right ???


Yup, Should continue NNW for the next 2-3 hours than due north again.
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536. ElConando 1:58 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting AussieStorm:

Is there any reason why this hasn't become a major event on news there in the GOMEX states?


I saw CNN report on it for about 5 mins when I went to subway. Once it hits cat 3 (if it does) it will likely be on the news.
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537. Nolehead 1:58 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
thanks doug .....any word on Baldwin County schools being closed??
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538. louisianaboy444 1:58 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
OOh man the University of Louisiana at Monroe's Weather Research lab will be a madhouse this week!
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539. Patrap 1:58 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
00z Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



00Z Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)


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540. weathersp 1:59 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting MrstormX:
I find it funny how its almost the same windspeed as Ike at landfall in Texas.


Its not funny it's scary as Hel! For most folks on the gulf coast they had 3+ days to get ready... This is just creeping up on people, and as we get towards bed-time, people are going to wae up with a High Cat 1 or Low CAT 2 150 miles of the coast. Thats scary.
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541. MrstormX 1:59 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting AussieStorm:

Is there any reason why this hasn't become a major event on news there in the GOMEX states?


It's the time of year people are being semi-ignorant to the fact that a cyclone can still impact them. You have people like Glenn Beck who just last week declared Hurricane season is over, and you have giddy idiots like TWC who make the situation almost laughable.

I do however applaud many of the local news outlets for trying to get the word out, but lets face it in todays society not that many watch the local news hence there may be some confusion in the coming day.
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542. xcool 1:59 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
ida 100% mad woof ruff
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544. Patrap 1:59 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ida Peaks next 24 then spreads out and goes XTRA

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547. Patrap 2:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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548. aquak9 2:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting AussieStorm:

Is there any reason why this hasn't become a major event on news there in the GOMEX states?


it's football season...and this IS the south...
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549. IKE 2:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting AussieStorm:

Is there any reason why this hasn't become a major event on news there in the GOMEX states?


Local TV stations are scrolling info now and breaking in with live information almost every hour.
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550. BurnedAfterPosting 2:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
Wow after seeing the models.. it appears S.FLA will eventually be affected by IDA


that is what I meant when I said look at the models lol

we will just have to see how it all plays out
551. MrstormX 2:02 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting weathersp:


Its not funny it's scary as Hel! For most folks on the gulf coast they had 3+ days to get ready... This is just creeping up on people, and as we get towards bed-time, people are going to wae up with a High Cat 1 or Low CAT 2 150 miles of the coast. Thats scary.


Not what I meant, what I mean is that Ike is such a better looking storm yet somehow Ida is almost the same strength as him.
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