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Tropical wave 92L weakens but could bring heavy rains to Haiti
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:23 PM GMT on June 20, 2010 +3
The tropical wave (92L) that brought heavy rains of 2 - 5 inches to Puerto Rico on Saturday is continuing westward at 10 - 15 mph, but has grown very disorganized. The National Hurricane Center is no longer interested enough in this wave to classify it as an "invest" worthy of generating computer forecasts for. Today through Monday, 92L will encounter 20 - 40 knots of wind shear as it plows though a region of strong upper-level winds associated with the subtropical jet stream. The disturbance will also encounter the mountainous terrain of Hispaniola and Cuba. If there is anything left of 92L after crossing these mountains, it may have the opportunity to develop beginning on Tuesday, when it will enter a region of wind shear less than 20 knots near central Cuba. None of our reliable computer forecast models is calling for 92L to develop once it reaches this region of lower wind shear. I give 92L a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Saturday. The storm could bring heavy rains of up to four inches to Haiti today and Monday. Rain of four inches are probably the lower threshold for life-threatening floods to occur in the Haiti earthquake zone, and this disturbance poses the most serious flooding threat Haiti has seen since the earthquake.


Figure 1. Radar estimated rainfall over Puerto Rico from Invest 92L.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS and ECMWF models call for a possible tropical depression to form in the central or western Caribbean next weekend, 6 - 8 days from now.

Wind and ocean current forecast for the BP oil disaster
Southeast to east winds less than 10 knots will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico Monday through Thursday, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. The resulting weak ocean currents should cause little motion of the oil slick, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. The long range outlook calls for a continued summertime weather pattern of weak winds over the Gulf of Mexico during the coming two weeks.


Figure 2. Visible satellite image from NASA's MODIS instrument of the Deepwater Horizon oil slick from Saturday, June 19, 2010.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's interactive mapping tool allows one to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

Happy Father's Day, all you fathers out there, and I'll have an update on Monday.

Jeff Masters
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1152. CaneWarning 1:27 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Where is eddye? Doesn't he normally show up when models show something coming to FL?
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1153. louisianaboy444 1:27 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I think the one that got shaded is the one forecasted to hit Florida, and the one forecasted to go into the GOM is a trough over Venezuela as far as I have seen.


Yea i seen you saying that but i've heard both sides contradicting that...Who knows i will just wait till we have a concrete system thats why i hate models lol
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1155. MiamiHurricanes09 1:28 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Yeah...I can totally understand your point...and it's not wrong, per se...based on the model info. But as a meteorologist, I don't buy any track right away based on what the models are showing, until we actually get an initialization of a closed low at the surface.
I understand 100%.
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1156. tropicfreak 1:28 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting Baltimorebirds:
Remember taz jfv would want a storm to hit him.


Could be stormTOP or Stormkat(or so called, debbykat)
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1157. homelesswanderer 1:29 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I think the one that got shaded is the one forecasted to hit Florida, and the one forecasted to go into the GOM is a trough over Venezuela as far as I have seen.


But I think the one they circled is over Venezuela or at least influencing the weather there.


NOTHER TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA IS
PRODUCING WIDESPREAD CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS OVER MUCH OF THE
WINDWARD ISLANDS AND NORTHEASTERN VENEZUELA...AND ADJACENT WATERS
OF THE CARIBBEAN SEA AND SOUTHWESTERN ATLANTIC. THIS SYSTEM WILL
PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS ACROSS THE WINDWARD
ISLANDS AND NORTHERN VENEZUELA DURING THE NEXT DAY OR SO AS THE
WAVE MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS
ARE ONLY MARGINALLY CONDUCIVE FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE DEVELOPMENT...
AND THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
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1158. Stormchaser2007 1:29 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
It'll be interesting to see what the 00z GFS shows.

It should pick up on it eventually.
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1159. NOLAmike 1:29 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Don't know...but that image I posted of the ECMWF shows it missing Florida. Little bit of a lesson from experience...I've learned to try and forecast track and landfall by seeing for one, where and if we actually get development...a good initialization if you will. I don't go by model guidance as far as track...TD10 a few years back was a good lesson for me. Models had it coming north in the GOMEX toward FL. Panhandle, and curving it hard left, to skirt the coast all the way to around LA.

Steering layers maps indicated it would continue north, making landfall over the Panhandle...go inland somewhat, then turn. Guess what happened?


Hurricane Katrina?
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1161. MiamiHurricanes09 1:30 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting louisianaboy444:


Yea i seen you saying that but i've heard both sides contradicting that...Who knows i will just wait till we have a concrete system thats why i hate models lol
Lol. Well me and StormW have 2 different standpoints. StormW wants to wait until there is a closed low at the surface while I am just following current models. Neither of us 2 are wrong, just 2 different standpoints. Oh, and what models are showing hitting Florida right now is what just got shaded.
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1162. viman 1:30 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


No he isn't. He's been here for a couple years trollin'


I went trolling the other day, caught 2 barracudas, 2 bonitos, 1 kingfish (24lbs - nice one) and 1 blackfin tuna. :)
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1163. louisianaboy444 1:30 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I understand 100%.


Yeah i was under the impression that the AOI in which yall speak of heading to Florida on the CMC was the same one the ECMWF had heading into the Central gulf but now i can see they're going to be two different systems per the models
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1164. MiamiHurricanes09 1:30 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


In fact, I have no problem with your discussions, you make some pretty astute observations, and valid points.
Thank you. Still learning.
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1166. MiamiHurricanes09 1:31 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting louisianaboy444:


Yeah i was under the impression that the AOI in which yall speak of heading to Florida on the CMC was the same one the ECMWF had heading into the Central gulf but now i can see they're going to be two different systems per the models
Exactly.
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1167. viman 1:32 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

AH! the sounds of an overflowing cistern is better than Music.


It sure is, as sweet as a tenor pan playing a lullaby... lol
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1168. Stormchaser2007 1:32 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
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1170. Greyelf 1:33 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Tampa has state of the art hurricane deflectors. Don't worry!


Cool. You guys there make sure and keep that thing turned on and I'll pay the bill.
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1171. tropicfreak 1:34 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting Baltimorebirds:
Oh yeah forgot about that witch debbykat.I'll never forgive her for the message she sent me.


What did she say?
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1172. pottery 1:34 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting viman:


I went trolling the other day, caught 2 barracudas, 2 bonitos, 1 kingfish (24lbs - nice one) and 1 blackfin tuna. :)

sounds good to me!
Nice King!
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1174. Tazmanian 1:34 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting tropicfreak:


What did she say?




i would keep that in WU E Mail
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1175. xcool 1:34 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    


BEST .
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1176. pottery 1:35 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting viman:


It sure is, as sweet as a tenor pan playing a lullaby... lol

:} :}
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1177. HadesGodWyvern 1:36 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
7544 SSD has a flash loop of the tropics

LINK
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1178. Relix 1:36 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Hey! New yellow! =O
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1179. louisianaboy444 1:36 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Actually , i havent been trolling , i took a long hypothetical mental break from the blog and decided to purse my education. I AM NOT A TROLL.IVE NEVER TROLLED. I HAVE GROWN UP. and i do need glasses, my main provocative comment was stating "Chill its only june". yet you consider my credibility as if i had walked into a bank with a mask. everyone has a right for a second chance , and i belive i have grown up so i deserve it.If i had trolled i would have been permd banned. im sorry for my statement but i do not deserve such public outcry, i was simply stateting my false opinon. but the NHC currently gives no area in the atlantic a chance of development.

Thank you


I've grown up eh? Tried that statement with my ex-girlfriend...it doesnt work :)
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1180. tropicfreak 1:36 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting xcool:


BEST .


WOW THAT IS SOME LOW SHEAR!! whatevers out there will not have an issue with it. Upper level winds though have been pestering the invests from developing
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1181. CaneWarning 1:37 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting louisianaboy444:


I've grown up eh? Tried that statement with my ex-girlfriend...it doesnt work :)

LOL
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1182. CybrTeddy 1:37 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Actually , i havent been trolling , i took a long hypothetical mental break from the blog and decided to purse my education. I AM NOT A TROLL.IVE NEVER TROLLED. I HAVE GROWN UP. and i do need glasses, my main provocative comment was stating "Chill its only june". yet you consider my credibility as if i had walked into a bank with a mask. everyone has a right for a second chance , and i belive i have grown up so i deserve it.If i had trolled i would have been permd banned. im sorry for my statement but i do not deserve such public outcry, i was simply stateting my false opinon. but the NHC currently gives no area in the atlantic a chance of development.

Thank you


Your not a troll, far from and I can vouch for this, but you do need to look at the NHC page. 0% for 92L, 10% for AOI off Virgin Islands going into the Caribbean. The reason they mentioned this was because several models are developing this into a tropical cyclone by Friday, most of the reliable ones.

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1183. Hurricanes101 1:37 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Actually , i havent been trolling , i took a long hypothetical mental break from the blog and decided to purse my education. I AM NOT A TROLL.IVE NEVER TROLLED. I HAVE GROWN UP. and i do need glasses, my main provocative comment was stating "Chill its only june". yet you consider my credibility as if i had walked into a bank with a mask. everyone has a right for a second chance , and i belive i have grown up so i deserve it.If i had trolled i would have been permd banned. im sorry for my statement but i do not deserve such public outcry, i was simply stateting my false opinon. but the NHC currently gives no area in the atlantic a chance of development.

Thank you


they give 2 areas a chance to develop and model consensus shows development this week in the Western Caribbean
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1185. viman 1:37 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

sounds good to me!
Nice King!


Nicer in de pot, steam down with a butta sauce, and some okra fungi on de side... :)
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1186. xcool 1:37 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
tropicfreak YEAH LOW WIND SHEAR.
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1188. Tazmanian 1:38 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Actually , i havent been trolling , i took a long hypothetical mental break from the blog and decided to purse my education. I AM NOT A TROLL.IVE NEVER TROLLED. I HAVE GROWN UP. and i do need glasses, my main provocative comment was stating "Chill its only june". yet you consider my credibility as if i had walked into a bank with a mask. everyone has a right for a second chance , and i belive i have grown up so i deserve it.If i had trolled i would have been permd banned. im sorry for my statement but i do not deserve such public outcry, i was simply stateting my false opinon. but the NHC currently gives no area in the atlantic a chance of development.

Thank you



whats that one word am looking for oh yes downcaster
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1189. pottery 1:38 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


Actually , i havent been trolling , i took a long hypothetical mental break from the blog and decided to purse my education. I AM NOT A TROLL.IVE NEVER TROLLED. I HAVE GROWN UP. and i do need glasses, my main provocative comment was stating "Chill its only june". yet you consider my credibility as if i had walked into a bank with a mask. everyone has a right for a second chance , and i belive i have grown up so i deserve it.If i had trolled i would have been permd banned. im sorry for my statement but i do not deserve such public outcry, i was simply stateting my false opinon. but the NHC currently gives no area in the atlantic a chance of development.

Thank you

OK, that's good!
But there are currently 2 areas in the Atlantic basin, which are listed as areas with potential.
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1190. CaneWarning 1:38 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting Baltimorebirds:
She called me dumb,and arrogant becuase she said I knew nothing.She was being all cocky.I'm still in learning stage.Their were some other things included in that message.


Did she get banned?
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1191. 7544 1:38 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting HadesGodWyvern:
7544 SSD has a flash loop of the tropics

LINK



thank you very very much hades
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1193. tropicfreak 1:39 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting Baltimorebirds:
She called me dumb,and arrogant becuase she said I knew nothing.She was being all cocky.I'm still in learning stage.Their were some other things included in that message.


Well she also said that StormW was afraid of competition from a woman.
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1194. xcool 1:39 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
I'M Watching Southern Caribbean & 60W

Pay attention ECWMF AT 2.00AM
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1195. Tazmanian 1:39 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
i no a downcaster when i see one



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1196. CybrTeddy 1:39 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Sammy, I remember you from '07 afterwords. Don't play the drama right now, we got JFV for that. Taz, cool off Sammy. He's not a downcaster, he's stating his opinion.
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1197. CaneWarning 1:39 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


No one remebers me from 2004, 2005, or 2006...

Not even you taz....

God this sucks..


I remember you from those years. You were a troll back then. Maybe you have changed. I dunno.
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1198. CyclonicVoyage 1:39 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Nice wave rolling off Africa ATM. Shear is very low but, dry air in the region. May not cause too many problems though as it is out ahead of the wave a good distance. Vorticity is good.

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1199. tropicfreak 1:39 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Did she get banned?


yes
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1200. HadesGodWyvern 1:40 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
you're welcome.
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1201. pottery 1:41 AM GMT on June 21, 2010    
Quoting viman:


Nicer in de pot, steam down with a butta sauce, and some okra fungi on de side... :)

You makin me dribble, Man!
heheheh
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