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Tropical Depression Four arrives
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:23 PM GMT on August 02, 2010 +2
Tropical Depression Four has made its debut over the mid-Atlantic Ocean, about 1300 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands. TD 4 is a small storm with very limited heavy thunderstorm activity, and is not very impressive at present. Wind shear is a low 5 - 10 knots, sea surface temperatures are at record highs, and the dust and dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) are far enough to the north of TD 4 to allow further development, though. The main negative for development appears to be the storm's small size, which makes it vulnerable to modest increases in wind shear or dry air entrainment. Satellite imagery shows that TD 4 is gradually developing low-level spiral bands, but the intensity and areal extent of heavy thunderstorms has not increased over the past few hours. Upper-level outflow is not apparent yet.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of TD 4.

Forecast for TD 4
The latest 12Z (8am EDT) models are fairly unified taking TD 4 to the west-northwest at 15 - 20 mph for the next three days. This would bring squalls from the storm's outer rainbands to the northern Lesser Antilles Islands, such as Antigua and Barbuda, by Wednesday afternoon. The center of TD 4 should pass to the northeast of the islands. A more southerly track through Puerto Rico, as predicted by the Canadian model, cannot be ruled out, though. As TD 4 makes its closest approach to the Lesser Antilles on Wednesday night, the storm will begin to encounter strong upper-level westerly winds associated with the counter-clockwise flow of air around an upper-level low pressure system centered between Bermuda and Puerto Rico. The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that these winds will cause wind shear to rise to the moderate level, 10 - 20 knots, by Tuesday night, and to the high level, 20 - 30 knots, by Wednesday. There is a great deal of dry air associated with the upper level low that should cause problems for TD 4, as well. The high wind shear and dry air should greatly weaken and may destroy TD 4 late this week. NHC is giving TD 4 a 20% chance of attaining hurricane status by 8am EDT on Thursday. I think the storm will probably become Tropical Storm Colin tonight, and peak in strength on Wednesday as a 55 - 65 mph tropical storm. I agree that a 20% chance of it reaching hurricane strength is a reasonable forecast.

A trough of low pressure is expected to move off the U.S. East Coast on Friday, and this trough may be strong enough to recurve TD 4 far enough to the northwest that the storm will threaten Bermuda. The GFDL model predicts TD 4 could pass very near to Bermuda on Saturday. It is uncertain at this time if the trough will be strong enough to recurve TD 4 all the way out to sea early next week, or leave the storm behind to potentially move westward again into the U.S. East Coast. The amount of wind shear that might be present early next week is also highly uncertain.

Next update
I'll have an update Tuesday morning by 8:30 EDT.

Jeff Masters
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1351. sailingallover 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:
This makes you wonder where the center is really at.


That would put the center to the north of the convection now...
Ok fess up how did you get an hour old ASCAT?? I can never get ones less than about 6-8 usually 10 hours old

On another note..ANITA last year..same scenario and forcast to go north of us on about the same track..ended up dying to our south...
Bill behind it suddenly develops from a robust wave and goes North of us..kind of Deja vue like..

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1352. CybrTeddy 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting thelmores:


How much money you got there Brainiac? 04L will almost certainly be a named storm!

And for those thinking that 04 is an open wave...... what the hades are you looking at? LOL


I suspect the COC has moved to the deep convection looking at ASCAT. Thinks we might have Colin by 5 am.
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1353. FloridaTigers 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
I've been gone all day since 2:00. Are the models showing the trof being strong enough? Lets hope the NHC's current track will be right in the long run.
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1354. jeffs713 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:


Either that or the center opened to the south because of the fast forward speed.

With the vort as stacked as it is, I doubt it opened up. More than likely, it is just a partial ASCAT pass.
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1355. Patrap 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
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1356. SouthDadeFish 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:


Either that or the center opened to the south because of the fast forward speed.
Yes, I just have a hard time believing that. Very possible though.
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1357. MiamiHurricanes09 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Here's my long, long range forecast track:

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1358. thelmores 1:33 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting jasoncoolman2010xx:
its going to open up as a tropical wave soon/


Jason....... give it a rest! LOL
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1360. MrstormX 1:34 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Go along the bottom area of the track of this hybrid map and then expect a sudden hard curve around Friday... this is the track that I for see now.

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1361. weatherguy03 1:35 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting aquak9:


even if it falls apart, will there still be enough energy to generate some good waves at the NE Fla beaches?


Lets hope so!! Just depends what we have as it moves just North of the Islands. I have a large sharks teeth collection as well:-)
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1362. OneDrop 1:35 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting aquak9:


even if it falls apart, will there still be enough energy to generate some good waves at the NE Fla beaches?

Now you're talking.
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1363. Patrap 1:35 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
A reasoned scenario for sure....X
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1364. JLPR2 1:35 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:

That would put the center to the north of the convection now...
Ok fess up how did you get an hour old ASCAT?? I can never get ones less than about 6-8 usually 10 hours old

On another note..ANITA last year..same scenario and forcast to go north of us on about the same track..ended up dying to our south...
Bill behind it suddenly develops from a robust wave and goes North of us..kind of Deja vue like..



Well if Anita passed by you you must live somewhere in the South Atlantic LOL! XD
The A 2009 North Atlantic storm was Ana and here you go: Link it only shows the ascending pass but it updates quicker than the other one.
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1365. sailingallover 1:35 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting wjdow:
Quoting alfabob:


Wouldn't be the first time NHC has totally missed on their prediction. Vorticity has just exploded in the area, from 850-500 it's stacked..



Any 'hate the nhc at any cost.casters' out there? it seems to me the nhc has done well this year so far, and all of last year. i don't remember the years before that. if nhc happens to miss this storm's direction a week before possible landfall, people on this blog could be a little more forgiving.

We also have a new GFS...lets see what happens in the morning..
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1366. Goldenblack 1:35 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
alright Pat....who has been at work on Photoshop?!! LOL

Quoting Patrap:
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1367. tkeith 1:36 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting thelmores:


Jason....... give it a rest! LOL
even a broke clock is right twice a day thelmores...give him time :)
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1368. spathy 1:36 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:




My Track

White path - Center line
Gray path - Model General path and its possible.

Any comments?

JMO
I would put more curve in your cone.
Your cone starts off with o4 heading WNW.
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1369. Twinkster 1:36 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Here's my long, long range forecast track:



still don't think it will curve like that miami. I just don't see a strong enough trough. If i were to make a track which I won't. It would be identical to cmc
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1370. JLPR2 1:36 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting SouthDadeFish:
Yes, I just have a hard time believing that. Very possible though.


We need quickscat, half of a system just isn't good enough, quickscat almost always got the entire system -.-
I miss that satellite!
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1371. Patrap 1:36 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting Goldenblack:
alright Pat....who has been at work on Photoshop?!! LOL



Twas a Quint,Jaws Google un.
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1372. SouthDadeFish 1:37 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
We should also be monitoring the forward speed of TD 4. If it goes slower than forecast it will have a better chance of missing the trough and having a weak ridge build in to the north of it. The faster it goes, a better chance of turning away.
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1373. cloudy0day 1:37 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting aquak9:
I would LOVE to have something crawl up, offa the NE FLa coast. Good waves and swells equals good fossil hunting and lots more of these.

I take a culander to Ellington Beach to get those, it's lots fun. Sometimes get manatee bones too.
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1374. CosmicEvents 1:37 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting weatherguy03:


This will curve NW and North eventually. We will be moving towards a NAO negative solution over the weekend, this promotes a East Coast trough. Now I believe it will be farther West then the NHC is saying before it curves North bringing it closer to the East Coast. I would be alittle farther South and West then the current NHC cone, getting closer to the Bahamas then starting the curve NW and North.
Thank you very much weatherguy.
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1376. MiamiHurricanes09 1:37 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting Twinkster:


still don't think it will curve like that miami. I just don't see a strong enough trough. If i were to make a track which I won't. It would be identical to cmc
I'm seriously beyond uncertain as to where this may end up beyond 60W. That track at this point is my bast guess.
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1377. gordydunnot 1:37 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
It's a big one captain but we can handle it,we just need another 55 gallon drum. I'm done good night all.
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1378. aquak9 1:38 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Lately, 03, the finds have been getting bigger. A good offshore storm will bring these up everywhere; it's between 10,000 and a 100,000 years old.

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1379. Goldenblack 1:38 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
tkeith....the clock may not be broken....it may be a coo coo (I mean it repeats over and over and over)

Quoting tkeith:
even a broke clock is right twice a day thelmores...give him time :)
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1380. CaneAddict 1:38 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting jeffs713:

they are picking up on a longwave trof that will be on the east coast in 3-5 days, giving the storm somewhere to go.


I know what they are picking up on, I think the models are being a little aggressive as far as the northward pull.
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1381. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:39 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
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1383. K8eCane 1:39 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
All of this speculation is riveting...RedBull, ashtray to my left, cigarette and mouse to my right and nobody better make me spray a mouth full of red bull on my monitor!
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1384. MiamiHurricanes09 1:39 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I'm seriously beyond uncertain as to where this may end up beyond 60W. That track at this point is my bast guess.
I changed it up at the end with the arrows.

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1385. SouthDadeFish 1:39 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:


We need quickscat, half of a system just isn't good enough, quickscat almost always got the entire system -.-
I miss that satellite!
Heck yeah me too. I see too many banding clouds for it to have become an open circulation. I guess we'll have to wait till morning to find out for sure. The NHC may hint at something at 11.
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1386. tkeith 1:39 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting Goldenblack:
tkeith....the clock may not be broken....it may be a coo coo (I mean it repeats over and over and over)

I think you may be onto sumthin :)
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1387. Goldenblack 1:39 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Especially considering this is August, not late September/Early October.....not "trough" season yet.....or am I wrong?
Quoting CaneAddict:


I know what they are picking up on, I think the models are being a little aggressive as far as the northward pull.
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1389. breald 1:40 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting aquak9:
Lately, 03, the finds have been getting bigger. A good offshore storm will bring these up everywhere; it's between 10,000 and a 100,000 years old.



what do you do with all the sharks teeth you collect?
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1390. NJ2S 1:40 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
how do u uplpad images
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1391. Seastep 1:40 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
1329. xcool

No.
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1392. will45 1:40 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
even a broke clock is right twice a day thelmores...give him time :)


he could be a military clock tho
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1393. Twinkster 1:40 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting SouthDadeFish:
Heck yeah me too. I see too many banding clouds for it to have become an open circulation. I guess we'll have to wait till morning to find out for sure. The NHC may hint at something at 11.


it is definitely not an open circulation. ASCAT hints that center is under big burst of convection
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1394. Seastep 1:41 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


I suspect the COC has moved to the deep convection looking at ASCAT. Thinks we might have Colin by 5 am.


I agree.
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1395. CosmicEvents 1:41 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting aquak9:
Lately, 03, the finds have been getting bigger. A good offshore storm will bring these up everywhere; it's between 10,000 and a 100,000 years old.

There's silver and GOLD shipwreck coins that also get beached at times with the right conditions. Happy hunting. Here's a good site with specific places to look in NE Florida. Link
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1396. tkeith 1:41 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting will45:


he could be a military clock tho
hmm...good point :)
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1397. TOMSEFLA 1:42 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Here's my long, long range forecast track:

? intensity??
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1398. SouthDadeFish 1:42 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Don't think its opened. Link
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1399. aquak9 1:42 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting breald:


what do you do with all the sharks teeth you collect?

they sit in brandy snifters, spaghetti jars, you name it. Got thousands.
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1400. ho77yw00d 1:42 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Quoting aquak9:
Lately, 03, the finds have been getting bigger. A good offshore storm will bring these up everywhere; it's between 10,000 and a 100,000 years old.



wow thats really cool
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1401. gordydunnot 1:42 AM GMT on August 03, 2010    
Hey keeper what way did she go George what why did she go.
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