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Pakistan's Katrina; 94L could develop in Gulf of Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:23 PM GMT on August 10, 2010 +4
The monsoon season of 2010 continues to generate havoc in Asia, as lingering rains from the latest monsoon low continue to affect hard-hit Pakistan, China, and India. At least 702 are now reported dead and 1,042 are missing in China's Gansu province, due to torrential monsoon rains that triggered a deadly landslide and extreme flooding on Sunday. At least 137 died in floods and landslides in the neighboring Indian state of Kashmir over the weekend, with 500 people missing. Monsoon flooding and landslides have also killed at least 65 people in Afghanistan in the past two weeks. But no country has suffered more than Pakistan, where monsoon floods have destroyed huge portions of the nation's infrastructure and killed at least 1600 people. The number of people affected or needing assistance has been estimated to be as high as 13 million people--8% of the nation's population. The disaster is the worst natural disaster in Pakistan's history, and is rightfully being called "Pakistan's Katrina."


Figure 1. The heavy thunderstorms of a monsoon depression lie over northwestern Pakistan near Islamabad in this visible satellite image taken by NASA's MODIS instrument on July 29, 2010. Image credit: NASA.

Monsoons: a primer
In summer, the sun warms up land areas more strongly than ocean areas. This occurs because wind and ocean turbulence mix the ocean's absorbed heat into a "mixed layer" approximately 50 meters deep, whereas on land, the sun's heat penetrates at a slow rate to a limited depth. Furthermore, due to its molecular properties, water has the ability to absorb more heat than the solid materials that make up land. As a result of this summertime differential heating of land and ocean, a low pressure region featuring rising air develops over land areas. Moisture-laden ocean winds blow towards the low pressure region and are drawn upwards once over land. The rising air expands and cools, condensing its moisture into some of the heaviest rains on Earth--the monsoon. Monsoons operate via the same principle as the familiar summer afternoon sea breeze, but on a grand scale. Each summer, monsoons affect every continent on Earth except Antarctica, and are responsible for life-giving rains that sustain the lives of billions of people. In India, home for over 1.1 billion people, the monsoon provides 80% of the annual rainfall. However, monsoons have their dark side as well--hundreds of people in India and surrounding nations die in an average year in floods and landslides triggered by heavy monsoon rains. The most deadly flooding events usually come from monsoon depressions (also known as monsoon lows.) A monsoon depression is similar to (but larger than) a tropical depression. Both are spinning storms hundreds of kilometers in diameter with sustained winds of 50 - 55 kph (30 - 35 mph), nearly calm winds at their center, and generate very heavy rains. Each summer, approximately 6 - 7 monsoon depressions form over the Bay of Bengal and track westwards across India. Four monsoon depressions originated in the Bay of Bengal in the El Niño-weakened monsoon season of 2009. This year's first monsoon depression formed on July 24, crossed over India, and reached Pakistan on July 27. The rains increased in intensity over the next two days, peaking on July 29 and 30, when a low pressure system that moved across Pakistan from the west enhanced rainfall from the monsoon depression. Over the 3-day period July 28 - 30, torrential rains in excess of 8 inches (203 mm) fell in many regions of northwest Pakistan Rainfall amounts at two stations in the catchment basins of the Jhelum River and Indus River reached 19.49" (495 mm) for the month of July, and 7.56" (192 mm) fell in a single day, July 30, at Tarbela. A second monsoon depression arrived in Pakistan on August 3, and has brought additional heavy rains.

Are the this year's monsoon floods due to global warming?
No single weather event can be attributed to climate change, but a warming climate does load the dice in favor of heavier extreme precipitation events. This occurs because more water vapor can evaporate into a warmer atmosphere, increasing the chances of record heavy downpours. In a study published in Science in 2006, Goswami et al. found that the level of heavy rainfall activity in the monsoon over India had more than doubled in the 50 years since the 1950s, leading to an increased disaster potential from heavy flooding. Moderate and weak rain events decreased over the past 50 years, leaving the total amount of rain deposited by the monsoon roughly constant. The authors commented, "These findings are in tune with model projections and some observations that indicate an increase in heavy rain events and a decrease in weak events under global warming scenarios." We should expect to see an increased number of disastrous monsoon floods in coming decades if the climate continues to warm as expected. Since the population continues to increase at a rapid rate in the region, death tolls from monsoon flooding disasters are likely to climb dramatically in coming decades.

References
Goswami, et al., 2006, " Increasing Trend of Extreme Rain Events Over India in a Warming Environment", Science, 1 December 2006:Vol. 314. no. 5804, pp. 1442 - 1445 DOI: 10.1126/science.1132027

Dave's Landslide blog has some great discussions of the flooding and destruction wrought by the terrible monsoon rains this year in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, and China.

Donations urgently needed
The massive humanitarian crisis in Pakistan requires a huge response by the international community. Wunderblogger Dr. Ricky Rood, author of our Climate Change Blog, has a friend working in Pakistan who underscored the desperate situation there:

This is the worst natural disaster in the history of Pakistan in terms of number of people and area affected. Although not as many people have been killed as in the 2005 earthquake, we have already nearly 900,000 displaced persons thus far just in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Crops are destroyed; shops, hotels, and other business have simply been swept away in Swat, which had just this year been cleared of Taliban and was on the way to recovery; and districts closer to Peshawar and parts of Peshawar district are still, or perhaps again after yesterday/today, under water. After the immediate emergency response, it will be years of rebuilding to replace what has been lost and to start to develop again. I know you have the power to control the weather, so if you cold give us a week or two without more rain at least we could keep the helicopters flying and give people a chance to go to their homes, recover what might still be there, set up tents if we can get enough to them, and start to clean up."

She gave the following recommendations for charities that do work in the flood-ravaged zone, and are effective at getting aid to those who need it the most:

Doctors Without Borders

The International Red Cross

MERLIN medical relief charity

The mobile giving service mGive allows one to text the word "SWAT" to 50555. The text will result in a $10 donation to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) Pakistan Flood Relief Effort.

She mentioned that it is better to send money to the organizations doing the relief work than to try to organize shipments of goods.


Figure 2. Morning radar image of 94L from the Key West radar.

94L
A 1010 mb low pressure system (94L) near the Florida Keys is generating disorganized heavy thunderstorms over Florida and the adjacent waters, and could become a tropical or subtropical depression as early as Wednesday. Current Key West radar shows the rotation of the storm, but the thunderstorm activity has not yet organized into low-level spiral bands. A few areas in the Keys and extreme South Florida have seen 1 - 2 inches of rain thus far from 94L. Wind shear is currently a moderate 10 - 20 knots over 94L, and water temperatures are very warm, 30 - 31°C. Water vapor satellite imagery shows that 94L is forming beneath an upper-level low with plenty of dry air, and there is a substantial flow of dry, continental air wrapping into 94L. This dry air is retarding the development of 94L, and may force the storm to organize into a subtropical storm instead of a tropical storm. A subtropical storm typically has a large, cloud free center of circulation, with very heavy thunderstorm activity in a band removed at least 100 miles from the center. The difference between a subtropical storm and a tropical storm is not that important as far as the winds they can generate, but tropical storms generate more rain. There is no such thing as a subtropical hurricane. If a subtropical storm intensifies enough to have hurricane force winds, than it must have become fully tropical. It usually takes at least two days for a subtropical storm to make the transition to a tropical storm.

Forecast for 94L
The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that wind shear will stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the Gulf of Mexico this week. The storm's main problem will be dry air, and I don't expect 94L to undergo rapid development. Most of the models bring 94L ashore over Louisiana by Thursday, though the GFDL model predicts 94L could stall off the coast and not make landfall until Friday. If 94L does make landfall Thursday, it is unlikely to be a hurricane, due to all the dry air aloft in the Gulf. However, the GFDL model is predicting that the 1-day delay in landfall to Friday will allow 94L enough time to grow fully tropical and intensify into a Category 1 hurricane. I think this solution is unlikely. Storms that get their start underneath a cold, dry, upper-level low very rarely attain hurricane strength in three days. A 40 - 50 mph tropical or subtropical storm at landfall Thursday or Friday is a much more reasonable forecast.

93L
A tropical wave (Invest 93) in the middle Atlantic Ocean is close to tropical depression status. The disturbance has a well-defined surface circulation, but only a limited amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, thanks to dry air and wind shear of 10 - 20 knots affecting it due to a large upper-level low pressure system to the west. Wind shear is expected to stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days, which is low enough that 93L could become a tropical depression at any time during that period. NHC is giving 93L a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday morning. The GFS, GFDL, and HWRF models predict 93L will develop, and the GFDL forecasts that the storm will become a hurricane. A strong trough of low pressure moving across the central Atlantic is recurving 93L to the north, and the system should only be a concern to shipping interests. None of the reliable computer models are forecasting tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic over the next seven days, other than for 93L and 94L.

Moscow hits 99°F again today
Temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport hit 37°C (99°F) today, the 28th day in row that temperatures have exceeded 30°C (86°F) in Moscow. The average high temperature for August 10 is 21°C (69°F). Moscow's high temperature have averaged 15°C (27°F) above average for the first ten days of August--a truly extraordinary anomaly. Smog and smoke from wildfires continued to blanket the city today, with the Russian Meteorological Agency reporting that pollution due to carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, ozone, and hydrocarbons exceeding the safe limit by factors of 1.2 - 2.2. Air pollution levels peaked at 6.5 times the safe level on Saturday. As I reported in yesterday's post, the heat wave has likely killed at least 15,000 people in Russia so far. There is some slight relief in sight--the latest forecast for Moscow calls for high temperatures of 31 - 33°C (88 - 91°F) Wednesday though Sunday--still 20°F above normal, but better than the 27°F above normal so far this month.

"Hurricane Haven" airing again this afternoon
Tune into another airing of my live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", at 4pm EDT today. Listeners will be able to call in and ask questions. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question in the comments area on my blog during the show. You can also email the questions to me today before the show: jmasters@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line. Some topics I'll cover today on the show:

1) Invest 94 and 93
2) A look ahead at the coming two weeks
3) Status of La Niña

Today's show will be about 30 minutes, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

Jeff Masters
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2301. uncwhurricane85 12:52 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
excuse me, get it together TD 5, another bonnie? for pete's sake!
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2302. StormChaser81 12:53 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting GetReal:
This is looking more, and more like a Jose Cuervo Platinum evening on the blog....

Look at the bright side of all those gloom and doom computer model runs... Over 85% probably never come to fruition...


Pass the margarita mix please.....


It's a Alize Cognac evening for me. sturred not shaken.
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2303. Patrap 12:53 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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2304. hurricanehanna 12:53 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting dacoonass:
Evening fellow Louisianaians

well howdy. Who's ya Momma and where ya from?
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2305. angiest 12:53 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
TD-5 Floater - Rainbow Color Infrared Loop



The ULL above keeping it in check is quickly moving west tonight.

May bring some weather along the N Gulf Coast as well.

Then TD-5 will be off to the NW with Lil Impedance.


Maybe the ULL is why we are forecast for a 40% chance of rain on Thursday.
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2306. Couillon 12:54 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Joanie38:
Hello everyone from SWLA...I see we have a TD5 now...I am wondering if SWLA is in the clear for this thing...just a question...long time lurker here..:)
Stick around,new models will be posted.
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2307. MiamiHurricanes09 12:54 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
AL, 05, 2010081100, , BEST, 0, 260N, 840W, 30, 1007, LO,
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2308. clwstmchasr 12:54 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Interesting that the NHC did not label TD5 subtropical. I wonder if Dr. M. agrees with them?
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2309. ShenValleyFlyFish 12:54 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting weatherwart:
What? BN9 just showed this old dude picking up a snapping turtle! That thing was 2ft across. He found it in the road and was putting it back in the swamp. Crazy fool.
Waste of a good stew.
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2310. Joanie38 12:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting hurricanehanna:

well howdy. Who's ya Momma and where ya from?


Hello Hanna!!!
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2311. earthlydragonfly 12:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
HWRF takes TD 4 toward the SE US coast at the end of the loop.

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/extreme/hwrf/invest94l.2010081018/invest94l.2010081018_anim.html


When looking at those models.... What is up with the Anal button before all the hours... When I hit the butt on nothing happens
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2312. NewBdoBdo 12:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Good evening all..I see we are drinking margarita's and eating beigent's. Will be watching this one closely. Pat thanks to your comments in the past... I am prepared.
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2313. alaina1085 12:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting hurricanehanna:

well howdy. Who's ya Momma and where ya from?

ROFLMAO
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2314. scott39 12:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
TD-5 Floater - Rainbow Color Infrared Loop



The ULL above keeping it in check is quickly moving west tonight.

May bring some weather along the N Gulf Coast as well.

Then TD-5 will be off to the NW with Lil Impedance.
Thank goodness the ULL is there for now!
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2315. Patrap 12:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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2316. Joanie38 12:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Couillon:
Stick around,new models will be posted.


Hi Couillon :) When are the new models coming out???
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2317. pottery 12:56 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
post 2303
great image Pat.
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2318. MiamiHurricanes09 12:56 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting clwstmchasr:
Interesting that the NHC did not label TD5 subtropical. I wonder if Dr. M. agrees with them?
It isn't labeled that way because it isn't...I don't even this it was subtropical today.

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2319. Patrap 12:56 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
The ULL is weakening and moving out much faster than the Storm is Down Se of it.
Thats the forecast scenario and the hedge on intensity.
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2320. hurricanehanna 12:56 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Joanie38:


Hello Hanna!!!


Hey Joanie! supplies ready?
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2321. thelmores 12:57 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting clwstmchasr:
Interesting that the NHC did not label TD5 subtropical. I wonder if Dr. M. agrees with them?


seems kinda irrelevant doesn't it?
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2322. pottery 12:57 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
Waste of a good stew.

:):)
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2323. GetReal 12:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
NHC picked up the speed...here midday Thursday. Not going to have time to get to anything higher than a weak TS.



IMO tonight will be the game maker, or breaker for TD5... If it takes full advantage of dmax tonight, and the LLC becomes surrounded in heavy convection, it is possible, or likely that it could become a Cat 1 hurricane before making landfall on Friday morning... If it has an under performing dmax tonight, I will not expect much more than a weak TS at landfall...
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2325. AllStar17 12:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    

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2326. scott39 12:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Patrap, How many miles on water, before landfall, do you think TD5 will have without interference from the ULL?
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2327. clwstmchasr 12:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
It isn't labeled that way because it isn't...I don't even this it was subtropical today.

Exactly my point. Yet Dr. M in his blog and on his radio show said that this was a subtropical system.
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2328. MiamiHurricanes09 12:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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2329. Patrap 12:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
This is a dicey forecast..,

She could slowly chug along..or POP if the conditions allow in 20-30,



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2330. hurricanehanna 12:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting OHS2USL:


Comment ca va?


ca va bien. Et vous?
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2331. Joanie38 12:59 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting hurricanehanna:


Hey Joanie! supplies ready?


Yes, ALWAYS prepared..but I don't know if it will affect SWLA though..what do you think my friend??
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2332. DestinDome 12:59 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Patrap, do you have the latest model runs? could you post please?
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2333. Patrap 12:59 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Patrap, How many miles on water, before landfall, do you think TD5 will have without interference from the ULL?


Unfortunatley looking at the latest..too much.

Movement now is slow and the ULL is separating more every Minute now.
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2334. JupiterFL 1:00 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting earthlydragonfly:


When looking at those models.... What is up with the Anal button before all the hours... When I hit the butt on nothing happens


Seems like that would be the most sensitive button on the whole screen.
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2335. Patrap 1:00 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Awaiting the New runs any moment along with the new Intensity Timeline graph as well
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2336. jlp09550 1:00 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Joanie38:


Yes, ALWAYS prepared..but I don't know if it will affect SWLA though..what do you think my friend??


We'll probably just get a lot of rain and wind. Nothing major, unless the track shifts more towards us. Then we might have something more to watch.
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2337. NoNamePub 1:01 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Why is TD 5 NOT on the navy site?
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2338. angiest 1:01 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting JupiterFL:


Seems like that would be the most sensitive button on the whole screen.


I was wondering that too.
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2339. DestinDome 1:01 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Awaiting the New runs any moment along with the new Intensity Timeline graph as well
Thank you.
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2340. dsenecal2009 1:02 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting OHS2USL:


Comment ca va?


tres bien, j'ai habiter en Louisiane et c'etait tres bon (baton rouge)... maintenant j'habite Texas, mais j'ai toujours le voiture plaque de Louisiane !


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2341. hurricanehanna 1:02 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Joanie38:


Yes, ALWAYS prepared..but I don't know if it will affect SWLA though..what do you think my friend??

It's looking more like SE LA...IF it follows the current NHC course....but things can change
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2342. weatherwart 1:02 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
Waste of a good stew.


Really? Now, I've eaten fresh water turtle. I don't know if I can say what we call them here in Florida... might be a bannable word. lol But snapping turtle? Never ate any snapping turtle.
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2343. MiamiHurricanes09 1:02 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Ok this (00z) OFCI track is just not reasonable...barely takes it to a 45mph TS.

AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 0, 260N, 840W, 30, 0, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 12, 272N, 856W, 32, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 24, 283N, 874W, 36, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 37, 37, 24, 37,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 36, 291N, 892W, 34, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 4, 4, 2, 4,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 48, 298N, 904W, 28, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 60, 304N, 910W, 25, 0, , 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 72, 313N, 910W, 23, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 84, 322N, 903W, 20, 0, , 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 96, 334N, 890W, 18, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
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2344. scott39 1:03 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:


Unfortunatley looking at the latest..too much.

Movement now is slow and the ULL is separating more every Minute now.
So would you say stronger than a Strong TS at landfall, with the ULL out of the way shortly?
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2345. GetReal 1:03 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
This is a dicey forecast..,

She could slowly chug along..or POP if the conditions allow in 20-30,





Dicey indeed because the next 12 hours will probably determine the eventual strength of this system when it reaches the coast.
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2346. earthlydragonfly 1:04 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting JupiterFL:


Seems like that would be the most sensitive button on the whole screen.



LMAO
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2347. Joanie38 1:04 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting hurricanehanna:

It's looking more like SE LA...IF it follows the current NHC course....but things can change


Where are you again Hanna???
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2348. CosmicEvents 1:04 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
I rarely question the NHC, but there's a couple of areas tonite where I wonder tonite.
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1. The center appears to be at 25.8, 83.3, not at 26/84.1 that the NHC pegged an hour ago.
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2. The uncertainty in the forecast, evidenced by the large cone of doom. And the NHC failure to communicate that uncertainty. The intensity seems problematic should it take the leftern part of the cone. If it stays this far over water I would think that the CHANCES of the cyclone becoming a hurricane at some point would be higher than the NHC posted 6%. I'm not saying it would definitely happen, but it seems like chances should be higher than only 6%.
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The fact(to me) that they're off with the initial position by so much doesn't inspire much faith in the rest of the forecast.
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2349. OHS2USL 1:04 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting hurricanehanna:


ca va bien. Et vous?

Comme si, comme ca. Merci
2350. Patrap 1:04 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting scott39:
So would you say stronger than a Strong TS at landfall, with the ULL out of the way shortly?


I dont forecast. Im a Hobbyist,observer.
Always follow the NHC advisories and your Local Emg Mgt.
But my feeling is we've seen this scenario many times and if conditions allow,things can change quickly.
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2351. blsealevel 1:05 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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