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Pakistan's Katrina; 94L could develop in Gulf of Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:23 PM GMT on August 10, 2010 +4
The monsoon season of 2010 continues to generate havoc in Asia, as lingering rains from the latest monsoon low continue to affect hard-hit Pakistan, China, and India. At least 702 are now reported dead and 1,042 are missing in China's Gansu province, due to torrential monsoon rains that triggered a deadly landslide and extreme flooding on Sunday. At least 137 died in floods and landslides in the neighboring Indian state of Kashmir over the weekend, with 500 people missing. Monsoon flooding and landslides have also killed at least 65 people in Afghanistan in the past two weeks. But no country has suffered more than Pakistan, where monsoon floods have destroyed huge portions of the nation's infrastructure and killed at least 1600 people. The number of people affected or needing assistance has been estimated to be as high as 13 million people--8% of the nation's population. The disaster is the worst natural disaster in Pakistan's history, and is rightfully being called "Pakistan's Katrina."


Figure 1. The heavy thunderstorms of a monsoon depression lie over northwestern Pakistan near Islamabad in this visible satellite image taken by NASA's MODIS instrument on July 29, 2010. Image credit: NASA.

Monsoons: a primer
In summer, the sun warms up land areas more strongly than ocean areas. This occurs because wind and ocean turbulence mix the ocean's absorbed heat into a "mixed layer" approximately 50 meters deep, whereas on land, the sun's heat penetrates at a slow rate to a limited depth. Furthermore, due to its molecular properties, water has the ability to absorb more heat than the solid materials that make up land. As a result of this summertime differential heating of land and ocean, a low pressure region featuring rising air develops over land areas. Moisture-laden ocean winds blow towards the low pressure region and are drawn upwards once over land. The rising air expands and cools, condensing its moisture into some of the heaviest rains on Earth--the monsoon. Monsoons operate via the same principle as the familiar summer afternoon sea breeze, but on a grand scale. Each summer, monsoons affect every continent on Earth except Antarctica, and are responsible for life-giving rains that sustain the lives of billions of people. In India, home for over 1.1 billion people, the monsoon provides 80% of the annual rainfall. However, monsoons have their dark side as well--hundreds of people in India and surrounding nations die in an average year in floods and landslides triggered by heavy monsoon rains. The most deadly flooding events usually come from monsoon depressions (also known as monsoon lows.) A monsoon depression is similar to (but larger than) a tropical depression. Both are spinning storms hundreds of kilometers in diameter with sustained winds of 50 - 55 kph (30 - 35 mph), nearly calm winds at their center, and generate very heavy rains. Each summer, approximately 6 - 7 monsoon depressions form over the Bay of Bengal and track westwards across India. Four monsoon depressions originated in the Bay of Bengal in the El Niño-weakened monsoon season of 2009. This year's first monsoon depression formed on July 24, crossed over India, and reached Pakistan on July 27. The rains increased in intensity over the next two days, peaking on July 29 and 30, when a low pressure system that moved across Pakistan from the west enhanced rainfall from the monsoon depression. Over the 3-day period July 28 - 30, torrential rains in excess of 8 inches (203 mm) fell in many regions of northwest Pakistan Rainfall amounts at two stations in the catchment basins of the Jhelum River and Indus River reached 19.49" (495 mm) for the month of July, and 7.56" (192 mm) fell in a single day, July 30, at Tarbela. A second monsoon depression arrived in Pakistan on August 3, and has brought additional heavy rains.

Are the this year's monsoon floods due to global warming?
No single weather event can be attributed to climate change, but a warming climate does load the dice in favor of heavier extreme precipitation events. This occurs because more water vapor can evaporate into a warmer atmosphere, increasing the chances of record heavy downpours. In a study published in Science in 2006, Goswami et al. found that the level of heavy rainfall activity in the monsoon over India had more than doubled in the 50 years since the 1950s, leading to an increased disaster potential from heavy flooding. Moderate and weak rain events decreased over the past 50 years, leaving the total amount of rain deposited by the monsoon roughly constant. The authors commented, "These findings are in tune with model projections and some observations that indicate an increase in heavy rain events and a decrease in weak events under global warming scenarios." We should expect to see an increased number of disastrous monsoon floods in coming decades if the climate continues to warm as expected. Since the population continues to increase at a rapid rate in the region, death tolls from monsoon flooding disasters are likely to climb dramatically in coming decades.

References
Goswami, et al., 2006, " Increasing Trend of Extreme Rain Events Over India in a Warming Environment", Science, 1 December 2006:Vol. 314. no. 5804, pp. 1442 - 1445 DOI: 10.1126/science.1132027

Dave's Landslide blog has some great discussions of the flooding and destruction wrought by the terrible monsoon rains this year in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, and China.

Donations urgently needed
The massive humanitarian crisis in Pakistan requires a huge response by the international community. Wunderblogger Dr. Ricky Rood, author of our Climate Change Blog, has a friend working in Pakistan who underscored the desperate situation there:

This is the worst natural disaster in the history of Pakistan in terms of number of people and area affected. Although not as many people have been killed as in the 2005 earthquake, we have already nearly 900,000 displaced persons thus far just in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Crops are destroyed; shops, hotels, and other business have simply been swept away in Swat, which had just this year been cleared of Taliban and was on the way to recovery; and districts closer to Peshawar and parts of Peshawar district are still, or perhaps again after yesterday/today, under water. After the immediate emergency response, it will be years of rebuilding to replace what has been lost and to start to develop again. I know you have the power to control the weather, so if you cold give us a week or two without more rain at least we could keep the helicopters flying and give people a chance to go to their homes, recover what might still be there, set up tents if we can get enough to them, and start to clean up."

She gave the following recommendations for charities that do work in the flood-ravaged zone, and are effective at getting aid to those who need it the most:

Doctors Without Borders

The International Red Cross

MERLIN medical relief charity

The mobile giving service mGive allows one to text the word "SWAT" to 50555. The text will result in a $10 donation to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) Pakistan Flood Relief Effort.

She mentioned that it is better to send money to the organizations doing the relief work than to try to organize shipments of goods.


Figure 2. Morning radar image of 94L from the Key West radar.

94L
A 1010 mb low pressure system (94L) near the Florida Keys is generating disorganized heavy thunderstorms over Florida and the adjacent waters, and could become a tropical or subtropical depression as early as Wednesday. Current Key West radar shows the rotation of the storm, but the thunderstorm activity has not yet organized into low-level spiral bands. A few areas in the Keys and extreme South Florida have seen 1 - 2 inches of rain thus far from 94L. Wind shear is currently a moderate 10 - 20 knots over 94L, and water temperatures are very warm, 30 - 31°C. Water vapor satellite imagery shows that 94L is forming beneath an upper-level low with plenty of dry air, and there is a substantial flow of dry, continental air wrapping into 94L. This dry air is retarding the development of 94L, and may force the storm to organize into a subtropical storm instead of a tropical storm. A subtropical storm typically has a large, cloud free center of circulation, with very heavy thunderstorm activity in a band removed at least 100 miles from the center. The difference between a subtropical storm and a tropical storm is not that important as far as the winds they can generate, but tropical storms generate more rain. There is no such thing as a subtropical hurricane. If a subtropical storm intensifies enough to have hurricane force winds, than it must have become fully tropical. It usually takes at least two days for a subtropical storm to make the transition to a tropical storm.

Forecast for 94L
The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that wind shear will stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the Gulf of Mexico this week. The storm's main problem will be dry air, and I don't expect 94L to undergo rapid development. Most of the models bring 94L ashore over Louisiana by Thursday, though the GFDL model predicts 94L could stall off the coast and not make landfall until Friday. If 94L does make landfall Thursday, it is unlikely to be a hurricane, due to all the dry air aloft in the Gulf. However, the GFDL model is predicting that the 1-day delay in landfall to Friday will allow 94L enough time to grow fully tropical and intensify into a Category 1 hurricane. I think this solution is unlikely. Storms that get their start underneath a cold, dry, upper-level low very rarely attain hurricane strength in three days. A 40 - 50 mph tropical or subtropical storm at landfall Thursday or Friday is a much more reasonable forecast.

93L
A tropical wave (Invest 93) in the middle Atlantic Ocean is close to tropical depression status. The disturbance has a well-defined surface circulation, but only a limited amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, thanks to dry air and wind shear of 10 - 20 knots affecting it due to a large upper-level low pressure system to the west. Wind shear is expected to stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days, which is low enough that 93L could become a tropical depression at any time during that period. NHC is giving 93L a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday morning. The GFS, GFDL, and HWRF models predict 93L will develop, and the GFDL forecasts that the storm will become a hurricane. A strong trough of low pressure moving across the central Atlantic is recurving 93L to the north, and the system should only be a concern to shipping interests. None of the reliable computer models are forecasting tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic over the next seven days, other than for 93L and 94L.

Moscow hits 99°F again today
Temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport hit 37°C (99°F) today, the 28th day in row that temperatures have exceeded 30°C (86°F) in Moscow. The average high temperature for August 10 is 21°C (69°F). Moscow's high temperature have averaged 15°C (27°F) above average for the first ten days of August--a truly extraordinary anomaly. Smog and smoke from wildfires continued to blanket the city today, with the Russian Meteorological Agency reporting that pollution due to carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, ozone, and hydrocarbons exceeding the safe limit by factors of 1.2 - 2.2. Air pollution levels peaked at 6.5 times the safe level on Saturday. As I reported in yesterday's post, the heat wave has likely killed at least 15,000 people in Russia so far. There is some slight relief in sight--the latest forecast for Moscow calls for high temperatures of 31 - 33°C (88 - 91°F) Wednesday though Sunday--still 20°F above normal, but better than the 27°F above normal so far this month.

"Hurricane Haven" airing again this afternoon
Tune into another airing of my live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", at 4pm EDT today. Listeners will be able to call in and ask questions. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question in the comments area on my blog during the show. You can also email the questions to me today before the show: jmasters@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line. Some topics I'll cover today on the show:

1) Invest 94 and 93
2) A look ahead at the coming two weeks
3) Status of La Niña

Today's show will be about 30 minutes, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

Jeff Masters
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3051. xcool 5:51 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
btwntx08:
THANKS ALOT LOL
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3053. traumaboyy 5:52 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting KanKunKid:
I'll take a cup traumaboyy 2/3 hot black coffee, 1/3 Baileys Irish cream, if ya got any. Sorry my quote button quit working again. Im in Mexico, here is my "high speed wirelss connection"
(muy rapido)


Sorry dude...at work....no Baileys here....might could find a xanax to throw in there though..lol
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3054. Eagle101 5:53 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting nwFLstormstalker:
anyone notice this: A possible MLC being stripped away from the center of td5. A looked around at a few sat. loops and I noticed what looks like a MLC scooting quickly NW away from the LLC.... over 100 miles to the northwest... what is going on!!!


Fair warning...I am not a met...but I believe the feature you are referring to is an upper level low...Levi discussed this feature in his daily video yesterday (now) morning...

v/r

Jon
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3055. CoopNTexas 5:54 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
xcool..hey buddy...what in the world is going on this season?

Can't get going...Which is good!
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3057. Cantu5977 5:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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3058. txsweetpea 5:55 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
I wonder when tropical depression 5 will get back organized? Tonite , tomorrow, never???
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3059. jonelu 5:56 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Eagle101:


Fair warning...I am not a met...but I believe the feature you are referring to is an upper level low...Levi discussed this feature in his daily video yesterday (now) morning...

v/r

Jon


I agree
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3060. texwarhawk 5:56 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
is there a reason why NHC gives out updates before recon enters a system. I understand the whole 3hr thing. But why give a 2:00AM update if recon enters at 2:30??? Because if recon finds anything within its first 2hrs, they would have to give out a special update. Seems kinda silly.
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3061. Stormchaser2007 5:56 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Wow...we'll see what happens.

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3062. xcool 5:57 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
CoopNTexas .hey.I would start wondering why things canot get go.
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3065. xcool 5:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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3066. Randyman 5:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Randyman:
This is the worst natural disaster in the history of Pakistan in terms of number of people and area affected. Although not as many people have been killed as in the 2005 earthquake, we have already nearly 900,000 displaced persons thus far just in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Crops are destroyed; shops, hotels, and other business have simply been swept away in Swat, which had just this year been cleared of Taliban and was on the way to recovery; and districts closer to Peshawar and parts of Peshawar district are still, or perhaps again after yesterday/today, under water. After the immediate emergency response, it will be years of rebuilding to replace what has been lost and to start to develop again. I know you have the power to control the weather, so if you cold give us a week or two without more rain at least we could keep the helicopters flying and give people a chance to go to their homes, recover what might still be there, set up tents if we can get enough to them, and start to clean up."

"I know you have the power to control the weather..." I ask once again, would someone like to give me some more insight on why this person in Pakistan made this comment. Thanks.
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3067. xcool 5:58 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
btwntx08 .why 75mph?
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3068. Cantu5977 5:59 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    


According to the GFDL landfall around 7am Thu.
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3069. JLPR2 5:59 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
So TD5 is TD2's twin sibling? LOL! XD

Not looking so hot right now, maybe by D-max's end it will look better.


I call this one, the extremely exaggerated infrared image and not even that helps TD 5.
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3071. wfyweather 6:00 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Atlantic Tropical Weather Outlook
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


000
ABNT20 KNHC 110557
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 AM EDT WED AUG 11 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
DEPRESSION FIVE...LOCATED ABOUT 240 MILES SOUTH OF APALACHICOLA
FLORIDA.

SHOWER ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A WELL-DEFINED LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM
LOCATED ABOUT 750 MILES NORTHEAST OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARDS ISLANDS
HAS INCREASED JUST EAST OF THE CENTER. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE
MARGINALLY CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT...AND ANY ADDITIONAL INCREASE
IN THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY COULD RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF A
TROPICAL DEPRESSION AT ANY. THERE IS A HIGH CHANCE...70 PERCENT...
OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS
AS IT MOVES TOWARD THE NORTH AND NORTH-NORTHEAST OVER THE ATLANTIC.

SHOWER ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED ABOUT 625
MILES EAST OF THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS REMAINS LIMITED AND
POORLY ORGANIZED. THE WAVE IS MOVING WESTWARD AT ABOUT 15 MPH AND
DEVELOPMENT...IF ANY...SHOULD BE SLOW TO OCCUR. THERE IS A LOW
CHANCE...10 PERCENT... OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER STEWART




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3072. txsweetpea 6:00 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
also on the strength in this system i see it getting to a strong 70 mph ts to 75 mph hurricane for now jmo though


That is alot stronger than 40 miles an hour which I believe is what the NHC predicts right?
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3073. wjdow 6:00 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Randyman:


it sounds like a dig at gw
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3074. Stormchaser2007 6:01 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
We could have two depressions tomorrow.

Shower activity associated with a well-defined low pressure system
located about 750 miles northeast of the northern leewards islands
has increased just east of the center. Upper-level winds are
marginally conducive for development...and any additional increase
in thunderstorm activity could result in the formation of a
tropical depression at any time
. There is a high chance...70 percent...
of this system becoming a tropical cyclone during the next 48 hours
as it moves toward the north and north-northeast over the Atlantic.
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3075. tropicallsu 6:01 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Hello Everyone, Here are my thoughts on 94L, The system has alomost made the transition from a non-tropical low to a tropical low, The system is going to have a fairly good enviroment now until landfall, infact the system maynot hit it lowest pressure until about 50 miles inland. Dry air is going to be a lesser problem, with the system moving so slow, its giving the upper low time to move further away. The venting of the system should improve much more during the day tomorrow, As you all have noticed in the past a smaller system can spin up quicker than a large system. The easterly wind shear should not be much of a problem countering all the positives the system has to work with, My personal predictions is this storm to be a strong tropical storm approaching hurricane status as it is making landfall 75 miles either side of the Mississippi River. I do beleive the system will slow down as it approaches the coast, That is the main reason for my intensity status. I do beleive the models will catch on to my thinking, once they take in that this is a tropical low instead of non-tropical. We Shall See
3077. wfyweather 6:02 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
ok my final thoughts for the night

05L is SLOWLY becoming better organized.... it may or may not become danielle before I wake up

93L is QUICKLY becoming better organized.... I expect to have 06L when I wake up...

I also think there is a pretty high chance we will see invest 95l from the disturbance just east of the leeward islands sometime tomorrow.

Im out. Night everyone
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3078. WatchingThisOne 6:03 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting Randyman:


I suspect he was talking about HAARP. Google that and you should get a lot of hits.
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3080. JLPR2 6:04 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting wfyweather:
ok my final thoughts for the night

05L is SLOWLY becoming better organized.... it may or may not become danielle before I wake up

93L is QUICKLY becoming better organized.... I expect to have 06L when I wake up...

I also think there is a pretty high chance we will see invest 95l from the disturbance just east of the leeward islands sometime tomorrow.

Im out. Night everyone


Goodnight and yeah, I agree with your thoughts.
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3081. txsweetpea 6:05 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Any westward shift will not be significant. I expected a westward shift early this evening, but now it appears that little change will occur in the track.

Though I should say that it depends entirely on the evolution of the upper high currently over the central plains and Ohio valley. Just keep your eyes peeled. I highly doubt Texas sees this, though.

Thanks!
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3082. OracleDeAtlantis 6:05 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Interesting how TD5 is really winding up on the Total Precip. page. In the past when we've seen this type of acceleration, it's often followed by strengthening. My guess is that this thing is simply waiting for some high pressure aloft, which would appear to be happening, but how fast I'm unsure.

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3084. FLPandhandleJG 6:06 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
also on the strength in this system i see it getting to a strong 70 mph ts to 75 mph hurricane for now jmo though

I think if it keeps this movement speed then I can c near hurricane strength.. But Td 5 needs ULL to pull all that dry air out that I believe is slowing this storm development..

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3086. txsweetpea 6:08 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting tropicallsu:
Hello Everyone, Here are my thoughts on 94L, The system has alomost made the transition from a non-tropical low to a tropical low, The system is going to have a fairly good enviroment now until landfall, infact the system maynot hit it lowest pressure until about 50 miles inland. Dry air is going to be a lesser problem, with the system moving so slow, its giving the upper low time to move further away. The venting of the system should improve much more during the day tomorrow, As you all have noticed in the past a smaller system can spin up quicker than a large system. The easterly wind shear should not be much of a problem countering all the positives the system has to work with, My personal predictions is this storm to be a strong tropical storm approaching hurricane status as it is making landfall 75 miles either side of the Mississippi River. I do beleive the system will slow down as it approaches the coast, That is the main reason for my intensity status. I do beleive the models will catch on to my thinking, once they take in that this is a tropical low instead of non-tropical. We Shall See

Is tropical depression 5 more south than originally thought to be?
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3087. xcool 6:09 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
btwntx08 :) true.
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3089. LemieT 6:10 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Boy something about this 2010, nothing is happening... Not a single system has been able to get going save Alex and even he had the time of his life. I feel the first system to really break through here will open the floodgates, just when that will be is hard to tell...
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3090. xcool 6:11 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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3092. xcool 6:12 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
btwntx08 wow .You Sound Like Pro Met



infact the ull is moving faster than td 5 right now so it may allow it to strengthen
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3093. tropicallsu 6:12 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
No, I don't think so, It looks very close to where the NHC has it.
3094. FLPandhandleJG 6:13 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
wow talk about favorable conditions

thats fo sho
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3096. RuBRNded 6:14 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting traumaboyy:


Sorry dude...at work....no Baileys here....might could find a xanax to throw in there though..lol

laim
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3097. wjdow 6:16 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
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3098. xcool 6:16 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    


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3099. FLPandhandleJG 6:16 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
yes indeed ULL is moving a lot faster then the TD5.. So i do agree that it will have a chance to re amp.. Looks like my boating plans are going to be cancel when TD5/or if it gets TS status gets closer to me.. with off and on bands coming in..
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3100. RuBRNded 6:17 AM GMT on August 11, 2010    
Quoting wjdow:
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yes i was a buffalo soldier.
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