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Tropical Depression Six arrives
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:14 PM GMT on August 22, 2010 +4
Tropical Storm Tropical Depression Six is here, but it will not be a threat to land for at least the next five days. Tropical Depression Six is a classic "Cape Verdes"-type storm common during the peak part of hurricane season. Cape Verdes-type storms are so named because they form from tropical waves that come off the coast of Africa and pass near the Cape Verdes Islands just west of Africa. Cape Verdes hurricanes are the largest and most dangerous types of hurricane in the Atlantic, since they spend a long time over water have and have of opportunity to reach full maturity. Tropical Depression Six has a ways to go before it becomes a hurricane, as the storm is embedded in a strong easterly flow of wind courtesy of the African Monsoon that is generating a moderately high 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. There is also a tropical disturbance to the northeast of TD 6 that is sucking away some moisture and is interfering with the storm's circulation. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a warm 28°C, and the storm is embedded in a moist environment, so wind shear is the primary inhibiting factor for development. The strong east winds imparting the shear are keeping any heavy thunderstorms from developing on the east side of the center of circulation, which is exposed to view in satellite imagery (Figure 1.)


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of Tropical Depression Six.

Forecast for Tropical Depression Six
A ridge of high pressure will force Tropical Depression Six to the west-northwest for the next five days, and the system should increase its forward speed from its current 10 mph to 15 mph by Monday night. A powerful trough of low pressure over the mid-Atlantic Ocean will begin to pull Tropical Depression Six more to the northwest late this week, and the storm should pass well to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles Islands. It remains to be seen, however, it this trough will be strong enough to fully recurve Tropical Depression Six out to sea. The GFS predicts that Tropical Depression Six may pass close to Bermuda about eight days from now, and it is also possible that Tropical Depression Six could eventually hit the U.S. East Coast 9 - 15 days from now. However, we have no skill in making these sort of ultra-long range forecasts, and the long-range fate of TD 6 is uncertain.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF and NOGAPS models are predicting formation of a tropical depression off the coast of Africa 3 - 4 days from now.

Jeff Masters
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1151. NCHurricane2009 11:00 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
UW-CIMSS thinks Danielle is a 47kt TS.

Chances are that Danielle gets bumped to 45mph at 11p.m.



I concur. Still wondering, does anyone know which trough over the US is supposed to curve Danielle NW. I am voting its the trough over the northwestern US right now. Just want to watch which trough should do it.
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1152. xcool 11:00 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    


dry
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1153. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:01 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Doubt it, convection is still on the very edge of the convection. Could go up to 45 at 11.


Convection is still on the very edge of the convection?
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1155. Relix 11:01 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:


1. I have seen TSs with an eye
2. Who knows if this is undergoing RI right now and is a hurricane


Can you please point to me a TS with an eye? I would think maybe, just maybe, a 70MPH could have one, but a storm like Danielle at the moment wouldn't. Also, no, it's not undergoing RI. It's definitely strengthening a lot but it still has long ways before become a Hurricane. 24 hours at best, but 18 sounds reasonable.
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1156. MiamiHurricanes09 11:02 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:


1. I have seen TSs with an eye
2. Who knows if this is undergoing RI right now and is a hurricane
I've seen TS's with eyes too, but not TS's with winds of 40mph.

Well it isn't. There is nothing to prove that this is developing an eye nor undergoing rapid intensification. It is organizing nicely and may become a hurricane in 72 hours or so, but it isn't undergoing RI or currently hurricane.
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1157. scott39 11:02 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


I concur. Still wondering, does anyone know which trough over the US is supposed to curve Danielle NW. I am voting its the trough over the northwestern US right now. Just want to watch which trough should do it.
First trof miss. Second, We better hope so!
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1158. Hurricanes101 11:02 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Relix:


People NO. Eyes DO NOT develop over tropical storms. It's some Cat 1 or 2 Hurricanes and you can't see a defined eye. It's just lots of convection.


eyes can form in stronger tropical storms
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1159. CyclonicVoyage 11:02 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
Not sure if this was ever posted, but the 12Z NOGAPS takes it to Bermuda...Link


A lot of flopping at the end as expected. Time will tell, the future trough is the key.
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1160. doorman79 11:02 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=13008 Try this Ply
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1161. Ryuujin 11:03 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting IKE:


It was a joke. I'm gonna end this....

poof!


I'm just saying. And my questions are valid ones. Why would you ignore what I'm saying?
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1162. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:03 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting IKE:


It was a joke. I'm gonna end this....

poof! 103 and counting.


Ouch!
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1163. NCHurricane2009 11:04 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Relix:


Can you please point to me a TS with an eye? I would think maybe, just maybe, a 70MPH could have one, but a storm like Danielle at the moment wouldn't. Also, no, it's not undergoing RI. It's definitely strengthening a lot but it still has long ways before become a Hurricane. 24 hours at best, but 18 sounds reasonable.


I would be more like its strengthening at an average pace, say 45 to 50 mph winds by 11 PM EDT. Easterly shear is inhibiting outflow and much storm activity east of center.
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1164. Thundercloud01221991 11:04 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Relix:


Can you please point to me a TS with an eye? I would think maybe, just maybe, a 70MPH could have one, but a storm like Danielle at the moment wouldn't. Also, no, it's not undergoing RI. It's definitely strengthening a lot but it still has long ways before become a Hurricane. 24 hours at best, but 18 sounds reasonable.


Tropical Storm Fay
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1165. FLPandhandleJG 11:04 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Isn't every storm a lil different.. Y does every1 seem the storm will slow down.. If i remember right, I thought there were some hurricanes still had some fast speed..? am I right or is it mostly all storms slow down.. Isnt it mostly all hurricanes slow down.. or depends on the development and the environment of the storm..
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1166. IKE 11:04 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Ouch!


And all I was doing was teasing. I surrender with him.
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1167. markot 11:04 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
nogaps turns it west.
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1168. scott39 11:05 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting markot:
nogaps turns it west.
How many time have you posted West in 24 Hours?
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1169. NCHurricane2009 11:05 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting scott39:
First trof miss. Second, We better hope so!


Whic trough is first and which is second. Do you mean the first trough is the one over the NE US currently, and the second trough is the bigger one over the NW US currently? That's what I am seeing.
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1170. xcool 11:06 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    



mmmm
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1171. PcolaDan 11:06 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Ike, I'm beginning to think I may want a copy of your list. ;)
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1172. MiamiHurricanes09 11:06 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


I concur. Still wondering, does anyone know which trough over the US is supposed to curve Danielle NW. I am voting its the trough over the northwestern US right now. Just want to watch which trough should do it.
I'm not sure where the trofs are located now, but I know 1 will come through and curve it towards the NW. Then a second more amplified trof will come in and recurve it fully. The question is, if these trofs will be amplified enough to dig south enough and recurve the cyclone before ridging sets in and sends the cyclone generally westward.
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1173. washingtonian115 11:06 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Relix:


People NO. Eyes DO NOT develop over tropical storms. It's some Cat 1 or 2 Hurricanes and you can't see a defined eye. It's just lots of convection.
If I remember correctly Ike had an eye when it was a 85mph storm.
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1174. Ryuujin 11:07 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
I don't care if IKE reads this or not, as I can only assume that "Poof" is his clever word for putting a user on ignore. But I will postulate this for the rest of the blog that seems to wish to have a level headed discussion of both tropical formation and forecasting.

If the GFS has the storm curving out to sea continually, or having a sharp right hand turn (Ala Alex earlier in the year) because of it's known cold bias, then why are we all 100% sure of it's projected path for Danielle now? I mean, I'm not hoping this thing hits the CONUS or any of the leeward islands, or bermuda. I'm simply not sticking my head in the sand as to the possibility that a computer generated model could be wrong. What do you all think?
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1175. Relix 11:07 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:


Tropical Storm Fay


And there you prove my point. When that happened Fay was a 70mph Storm, borderline Hurricane. That can be expected. Danielle is but a 40mph storm at the moment undergoing gradual intensification. There's no eye forming.
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1176. scott39 11:07 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Whic trough is first and which is second. Do you mean the first trough is the one over the NE US currently, and the second trough is the bigger one over the NW US currently? That's what I am seeing.
Yep
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1177. Baybuddy 11:07 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Why don't redundent quotes count as violating community standards?
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1178. Snowlover123 11:07 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Still here... just lurking... ;)
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1179. IKE 11:07 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting PcolaDan:
Ike, I'm beginning to think I may want a copy of your list. ;)


PM me...I'll gladly give it to you.
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1180. doorman79 11:08 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting PcolaDan:
Ike, I'm beginning to think I may want a copy of your list. ;)
Alphabetical? or chronology? lol
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1181. NCHurricane2009 11:08 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Hmmmm,

After some soul searching, the best projected path for Danielle should cover from NE Texas to the NE US, includin Bermuda! Talk about a large cone, you can't go wrong with that! LOL.

JK.
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1182. MiamiHurricanes09 11:08 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Whoa, that's some nasty dry air.

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1183. Relix 11:08 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Also if I remember right Fay was weird and developed that "eye" overland. There were several explanations for that too. Friction, heat, etc. Still it's not a typical case.
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1184. IKE 11:09 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Impressive on water vapor....

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1185. scott39 11:09 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:
Hmmmm,

After some soul searching, the best projected path for Danielle should cover from NE Texas to the NE US, includin Bermuda! Talk about a large cone, you can't go wrong with that! LOL.

JK.
Timing
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1186. will45 11:09 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Baybuddy:
Why don't redundent quotes count as violating community standards?


they have to be flagged 10 times
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1187. Thundercloud01221991 11:09 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Relix:


And there you prove my point. When that happened Fay was a 70mph Storm, borderline Hurricane. That can be expected. Danielle is but a 40mph storm at the moment undergoing gradual intensification. There's no eye forming.



Although I am not saying this IS an eye I did say do you think this could be an eye or eyewall developing remember we do not always know the true intensity of these storms... for instance Hurricane Alex has a ADT number of a cat 4 hurricane (or cat 3 cant remember) but it was only a 1 at the time of the readings... so ADT can be way off and so if this is way off we could have a 65-70 mph storm????
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1188. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:10 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
06L/TS/D/XX
MARK
13.95N/35.57W

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1190. mcluvincane 11:11 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Ryuujin:


I'm just saying. And my questions are valid ones. Why would you ignore what I'm saying?


Cause he can't take it when people disagree with him.
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1191. aquak9 11:11 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
how many weeks out is 324 hours, ike? is that like, next year?

might as well be...

(dewey- it's AQUA. AQUA. As in, AQUA canine. Not AQUAK. I'm not a duck. I'm a dog.)
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1192. Patrap 11:12 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
18z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)



Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)


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1193. CybrTeddy 11:12 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Convection is still on the very edge of the convection?


Wow, did I really just say that. ROFL.

I meant the circulation is still on the very edge of the convection.
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1194. canehater1 11:12 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-vis.html


The whole enchilada
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1195. washingtonian115 11:13 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting IKE:


PM me...I'll gladly give it to you.
103! wow.I have a ways to go because I have 0.
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1196. plywoodstatenative 11:13 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Ike you got a reading on the buoy that door man just posted about
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1197. NCHurricane2009 11:13 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Yep


Thanks for confirming that with me Scott39.

By the way, if you are looking for where steering troughs are located at, check out the CIMSS products:

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/winds/winds-dlm.html

One of the best links for tropical weather I have found. I have made a forecast based on the speed of the troughs between 0300Z August 21 and 0300Z August 22.
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1198. taco2me61 11:14 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting Baybuddy:
Why don't redundent quotes count as violating community standards?
Because Taz don't say so.... Now as for Soon to be Hurricane Danielle well it looks to be very Strong off the East Coast in the Atlantic....

Taco :o)
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1199. FLPandhandleJG 11:14 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
GFS/animation

NoGaps/animation

WRF/animation

ECMWF/animation

Here's some models.. didnt check if there old or not..
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1200. CRAZYBEAR 11:14 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I'm not sure where the trofs are located now, but I know 1 will come through and curve it towards the NW. Then a second more amplified trof will come in and recurve it fully. The question is, if these trofs will be amplified enough to dig south enough and recurve the cyclone before ridging sets in and sends the cyclone generally westward.

it is yet to be seen if they will dig that far south. I still believe that this storm will slow down while it get stronger missing the turn all-together. Please don't call me a Florida wishcaster I live in Arizona
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1201. cirrocumulus 11:15 PM GMT on August 22, 2010    
It looks like we may have hurricane status approaching imminently. What rapid development on infrared satellite!
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