This photo and the other in my series were both take from the same spot ... just different directions and just a representative scene mirroring so many others here in the midwest. These were taken yesterday morning right after the thunderstorm front had gone through but the winds continued to increase in intensity as the barometer dropped ... to a record low in some midwest spots. The big Blow was the equivlant of a Cat 2 or Cat 3 hurricane and indeed a very unusual storm in the upper midwest for this time of the year.
I posted a video of continuous hits at youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckrpWF-dXwU
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I don't think so. 91L will be destroyed by 40kts and 50kts wind shear ahead.
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TS BUSTED FORECAST ALIBI
Environment News Service says the e-mails were 'leaked', they should know. I didn't write the article.
And using your thought processes...let me guess...destroying evidence is not the same as altering it?
You funny.
Have a nice evening, its getting late, its been fun toying with you, AEKDB1990.
Night all.
Thanks, for info....I just came back from the Metro area.... and I find this in this Cyclogenesis model....
year of 23 or so, but until they can predict where they are going to hit these numbers pre season are useless. Example this year active but not for any of the US coastline. What do some of you think about that.
That would catapult 2010 to a hyperactive season and leave me jawless. XD
What difference does it make if the planet was warmer in the past? How many technological societies, utterly dependent upon industrial agriculture, were there in those previous warm times?
(The major problem with the current warming is the *rate* of warming, not just the warming itself. Though the warming is still a big problem.)
Your second point is the result of my inelegant question. I apologize. Let me ask a bit more correctly. If human activity is NOT the primary cause of the current warming, then what IS the cause; and what scientific evidence is there to support that hypothesis?
Nah, they still use the greek letters.
The e-mails were stolen. Then they were leaked, whether by the hackers or others is unclear.
Just when I thought I could go to bed, you come along with those nasty little squiggly lines over my house.
Your timing is dreadful.
High Wind Shear ahead !!!
As best I remember (was living in the UK when all this broke) - the scientists were hacked, and vast swathes of data were taken, including the e-mails. Certain sections of the stolen data were then leaked by the people who stole it - preferentially releasing things which made it look like a bit conspiracy.
So you're both right, in a way -- the data were stolen by hackers, and they were leaked.
However, the stuff wasn't leaked by the scientists -- that's the point over which you're both arguing (and hopefully the point I've cleared up!).
Happy to help!
Morons like myself are rejoicing tonight as the top solar hot water company in Germany has been busted....
For false efficiency claims concerning their backup.
I am familiar with the problems in the statistics in the work in question and the Lord Oxbowdown (or whatever... like Lord CooKooFace in Madeline) report is quite clear on these deficiencies.
Climatologists are not statisticians and the statistical arguments are, well, to quote, Mark Twain, "There are lies, damn lies, and statitics".
Now, how much energy do you waste in an inefficient house? Even a moron like myself is wasting 50 dollars a year (circa 1980 ceiling fans).
If I can find some for less than 41 dollars.... PAYOUT
First it makes the point that it could just be a natural cycle like it was in the previous years without the industrial technologies.
Second, I am not knowledgeable enough of science of the natural cycles to really get in to it, its just that is what I believe. Until there is concrete evidence that it is humans fault. Another thing I know you didn't ask, is Ive never littered, I always recycle, Ive cleaned up parks. I am in no way for destroying the earth and I think we should do everything to clean and protect it. It just bothers me that people think that if you don't believe in AGW then you don't care about the planet.
Needs to organize more, 91L is currently the weakest of the three invests.(structurally)
92L's 850mb vort strengthened nicely in between updates.
I remember reading a while ago that there was a theory that the poles of the Earth switch and move every x thousand years. A bit fuzzier recollection is that when this happens, where the "equator" ends up is dependent on where things stop after the shift. According to this line of thought, Greenland could have ended up on the equator and no Global Warming would have been required to grow palm trees there. I have no references for this, but seemed like a great time to stir the pot...
Back on topic, 3 AOIs this late in Oct... could be an interesting November
With regards to the point on natural cycles -- I can say for definite that the changes we're seeing now are happening too quickly to be linked to the Milankovic cycles (the variations in the tilt of our axis, the precession of said axis, the precession of our orbit, and the variation in that orbit's eccentricity and inclination).
Recent research has show that the argument that the observed warming is linked to variations in the Sun's output is not considered valid any more - in fact, if climate was being forced by changes in the Sun's output, the planet would have cooled in recent years, rather than warmed.
Endogenic, rather than exogenic, cycles -- I'm not qualified to comment :) But I'm certain that nothing astronomical is driving the observed climate change :)
I aim to please buds.. you asked for showers
Equator doesn't move... it's related to the geographic poles, which don't change. You're thinking of a magnetic pole, which does shift, and the magnetic equator is in flux for a while, but the geographic poles never change. And this occurs on a factor of million years, not thousand. So Greenland's been up there for a while. The reason they found those trees is because they were petrified, or fossilized. It takes millions of years for something to fossilize. In that time, the tectonic plate that Greenland was on moved so that it's much closer to the north pole.
Why not consider Sea contamination, and many other facts that can be measured, due to mankind's intervention?
What effect will all this have in earth's climatology (If you believe there is any)
That way you can have a more quantitative, scientific approach in your discussion???.....
Amazon Deforestation (Not considering other global deforestation areas)
NASA 2019s Landsat 5 satellite captured the left-side image on July 19, 1986, while NASA 2019s Landsat 7 satellite captured the right-side image on December 11, 2001. Densely forested areas are deep green.
No offense, but that doesn't mean anything. I can just as well say it *could* be billions of invisible gremlins with billions of invisible cigarette lighters. It's possible, maybe, but useless. Unless you (or someone) can clarify what it is that is cycling and what evidence supports that as the cause, I'm afraid that that is no more useful as an explanation than my gremlins.
There is indeed concrete evidence. Atmospheric CO2 has increased by >30%. The ratio of C13/C12 has been decreasing. That is indicative of fossil fuel.
I agree. That is unfounded. However, if they amend it to say if you don't believe in AGW, then you don't believe in science, I think that it's more accurate.
Good night.
I think if you look at agreement in the community we have basically folks that like to make money doing green stuff that, well, makes money, irrespective of whether it is really green.
The hard core denier mercenaries (Nea... they are to be pitied... they don't want to make money) are kind of the VLO and XSO of the world (Nea... Koch does not have a symbol).
Can we stop debating this and make money?
I do automatically reject all reconstructions that deny the MWP.
I also accept the Fourier experiment and the conclusions of the IPCC (which apparently make me a "denier" in some circles).
But goodnight....
Tomorrow I think we will see a new blog without any AGW content
Since we havent been through a cycle as a human race, im not quite sure we can definitely say that it is happening too quickly we just don't know that for sure. Another thing is that its funny how we are so worried about the warming, yet I believe one volcano eruption can take us back to below average temperatures in the blink of an eye. There are so many things that can happen that im not sure anyone really can grasp all the different variables that have occurred on this planet to get the climate to where it is, and what variables in the future can possibly do.
True!
But not this weekend.
Due to the very nice weather recently, we will be attending a Birthday Party this weekend, Filled with Debauchery, on a small island, off the coast.
Rainy days and gloomy skies are not required....
Sure musst be neat time to be there with something going on. I'd imagine they have some pretty cool screens going everywhere.
Guess we'll soon find out!
Cosmic, mail.
Thanks for the lack of a strike so far in FL.
The Volcanoes will save us....
Good to know that.
You are becoming obscure, you know.
TodavĂa. XD
Dont try that!!
I am trying to send it North, LOL!
When it comes to the variations due to Milankovic cycles, we do know that for sure :) We know the scale of the cycles, and how fast all the variables change (hell, all bar the variation in our axial tilt drop out in every single n-body integration I run). Also, the rate and scale of their effect has been well matched to data from ice cores - it's the Milankovic cycles that have been the key driver to the recent series of ice ages and interglacial periods.
The current warming trend, and the rate at which it is happening, are totally incompatible with the Milankovic cycles being the cause. Returning to an analogy I used earlier -- if the idea that those cycles were the cause of the observed climate change was the theory of gravity, then we've already had plenty of apples the refused to fall. The data don't fit the theory - so the theory is wrong -- Milankovic cycles are not the cause of the observed behaviour.
The same is true of solar activity, afaik -- recent studies have shown that the theory linking variations in recent Solar activity with the observed changes in the climate does not fit with the data -- so it isn't a working theory to explain the changes. That doesn't, of course, mean that another theory explaining the change in terms of Solar activity couldn't be put together - but it would quickly fall foul of the same data, unless it was something very radical and different.
As more and more data come in, and more and more observations are made, the non-human theories on the cause of GW are falling over. That doesn't mean observations won't be made in the next year/decade that do the same for man-made GW, but the only theory that explains the results that are coming in all the time with any degree of accuracy is that climate change is directly related to human activity.
While it is possible to construct ever more complicated explanations for how this isn't our fault, there has to come a point when Occum's razor comes into play. The simplest theory that successfully explains the observations is man-made global warming, in my opinion -- and so I'm of the opinion we should be doing what we can to counter it.
That's before we consider that investing in R+D and new technologies will, in the long run, benefit everyone, creating new jobs, and boosting the overall standard of living regardless of whether GW turns out to be man-made, natural, or non-existant.
I think we can all agree that pumping more money into science would be a good thing (and, as someone who relies on that funding to make a living, I'm doubly in favour ;)).
doing his, and studying for a physics exam tomorrow, sorry.
Sure.. gimme rain... umm oh... can you hold it off a day or two.
Right now im, a physics, and meteorology double major so that would be amazing. Im hoping to do a research project with NASA soon, and if it turns out it is AGW ill be the first to say I was wrong, and will be all for taking drastic measures.
Good thing there is global warming or we'd have more that 102 record lows.
Good luck with the Exam, hope it goes well.
should be fine, thanks pottery :)
+10000
It's all my wife's fault!
You KNOW I would never flipflop like that.
(this is just between us, OK?)
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