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Not a trace of Don; What's next?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:41 PM GMT on July 30, 2011 +33
Don is dead

Tropical Storm Don, the fourth named storm of the 2011 season, made landfall near Baffin Bay, Texas yesterday evening around 10pm CDT in less-than-grand fashion. The storm was looking very weak for the 24 hours before landfall, but fizzled rapidly after landfall, and by early Saturday morning, there was barely a trace of the storm to show that it even existed in the first place.

NHC Hurricane Specialist Eric Blake probably said it best in this mornings 5am EDT discussion on the storm:

THE DON IS DEAD. THE CYCLONE LITERALLY EVAPORATED OVER TEXAS ABOUT
AS FAST AS I HAVE EVER SEEN WITHOUT MOUNTAINS INVOLVED. DON HAS NO
CONVECTION...MEAGER RAINFALL...AND ONLY A SLIGHT SIGNATURE IN
SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND RADAR DATA. THEREFORE...THIS IS THE LAST
ADVISORY ON THIS SYSTEM.


Figure 1. Total precipitation accumulation for the storm, estimated by radar.

The heaviest rainfall was falling south of the storm's center yesterday, so it wasn't surprising that Brownsville saw the most rain, 0.63 inches. KBRO also recorded 18 mph wind gusts. But to the north of the center, where many of the media were located, not a drop of rain fell. Corpus Christi saw zero inches of rain, but did record gale-force wind gusts (39 mph). Harlingen, near Baffin Bay, and close to where the center made landfall, saw 0.20 inches of rain and 18 mph wind gusts. This storm did very, very little to relieve any drought conditions in Southern Texas. And so it continues.

What's next: Invest 91L continues to impress

Invest 91L, which is located near 12°N 48°W in the central Atlantic, continues to impress today, and has shown signs of more organization over the past 24 hours. 91L will probably develop into a tropical cyclone before it reaches the Lesser Antilles, so residents of these islands should remain watchful and prepared. Satellite loops show not only organized thunderstorm activity, but also the makings of a surface circulation. Something this wave has working against it right now is dry air—there's a large mass of Saharan air on the north and east sides of the system, which could at least prevent significant intensification. Also, University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows some strong wind shear (30-40 knots) to the north of the wave. However, I don't expect this to prevent development of the wave. Wind shear out ahead of the system is relatively low (5-15 knots). Moisture is plenty high within the system, and sea surface temperatures are warm and toasty (28°C+) and will only get warmer as 91L moves west into the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Infrared satellite of invest 91L taken at 1:15pm EDT today.

Forecast for 91L
Most of the reliable forecast models (GFS, CMC, FIM, and the ECMWF) have come to agree that 91L will develop, however, they differ on how long-lived that will be. Some of the models are suggesting it will be a short-lived tropical cyclone, not making it out of the Caribbean alive, and some suggest that it will hold together and intensify as it moves north of the Caribbean islands. The forecast track for the system will most likely be to the northwest through the Caribbean, at which point it will take a northeast turn near the Bahamas, never reaching the U.S. coast. HWRF agrees with this track (and also brings the system to category 2 strength by August 3rd). However, there is still some uncertainty that the system could track west, south of the Caribbean islands, and potentially into the Gulf of Mexico. However, none of the models that suggest this solution actually show that the wave will be a tropical cyclone at that point.

The National Hurricane Center is giving this wave an 80% chance of developing into at least Tropical Depression Five over the next 48 hours. Chances are we will see Emily out of this system. A Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled for tomorrow at 2pm EDT, but I wouldn't be totally surprised to see them call this system this evening, given the threat to the Lesser Antilles.

Watching a northwest Caribbean disturbance

A broad area of disturbed weather is producing some heavy thunderstorms in the northwest Caribbean, southeast of the Yucatan Peninsula. Little to no low-level circulation exists with this feature, and none of the models are picking up on it. The Hurricane Center has "blobbed" this item (as I like to say) with a "near 0%" chance of developing over the next 48 hours. This disturbance could cause major flooding in the region given the amount of thunderstorm activity, and predictability for systems like this (potential Bay of Cempeche tropical cyclones) is very low. Models have a short lead time on development, and they spin up very fast once they enter the Bay of Campeche given the favorable topography of the land surrounding it. The difference between this system, though, and one like Arlene, is that there is very, very little low level circulation already present. Pre-Arlene was a bit more organized before it crossed the Yucatan, and so it's hard to imagine that this disturbance will be able to hold together, should it get that far.

If 91L develops, I'll be back tomorrow with a post.

Angela
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5104. Levi32 2:48 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Think it has a closed low?


Unknown. It wasn't 5 hours ago, and it didn't really appear to be at sunset either, so probably not yet. It will be soon enough though as it absorbs the secondary circulation to the southwest which is weakening.
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5105. KoritheMan 2:48 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting sarahjola:
91l not looking so hot tonight. what happened???? the wave in front fell apart as well. i can't see how anyone thinks 91l is going to east coast. can someone explain that thinking to me?? tia


We don't know it's going to the east coast. We are merely speculating on a very real possibility: that if the system remains weaker, it will feel less pull from the trough.
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5106. tiggeriffic 2:48 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting want2lrn:

Thank you PP. I appreciate both you and Tigger responding. Unlike the majority of the posts on here, ya'll agreed! LOL I live in CC,Tx and am trying to educate myself to all the variables of tropical weather. To me this is a really great site, if i can figure out who is full of it :). it is so much more informative to get on here than it is to watch the local mets. They just seem to repeat what i already saw on here.


names to look for to listen to:
Patrap
Levi
Floodman
Presslord
StormJunkie

just to name a few....
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5107. aspectre 2:48 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
4953 TropicalAnalystwx13 "What time does ATCF usually update?"

There is no usual time.
When NHC is ignoring it, 15to25minutes after 12amGMT, 6amGMT, 12pmGMT, and 6pmGMT.
When the NHC begins its re-evaluations, from ~35minutes to an hour after those hours.
I suspect sometimes that NHC staff and the ATCF get into "knockdown dragout"s about the coordinates/etc... cuz they take MUCH more than an hour after the scheduled time to post.

4901 aspectre "91L was headed toward passage into the Caribbean with a travel-speed of 18mph(29k/h); narrowly going north of Barbados ~10hours30minutes from now,
then narrowly going south of St.Lucia in ~15hours from now.
4981 hcubed "Most of the models had 91L taking a more northward path through the Lesser Antilles. The "xtrap" you're showing has a much lower track."

Eyeballing them, most of those models were initiated MUCH further east than the current ATCF position. And they're meant to be predictive.
All I'm interested in is showing a landmark toward which a storm was heading over the previous 6hours.
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5108. sarahjola 2:49 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
wasn't it alex that was a huge wave and took forever to do anything? i think people were saying then that because of the size it was hard to get it going even though the conditions were good for development. is this the problem with 91l?? i can't see 91l going too far north but i'm no met either. just dont see it curving and hitting the east coast after it gets in the caribbean. am i wrong? i enjoy being schooled on these things so feel free:)
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5109. Stormchaser2007 2:50 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting P451:


Out to sea, going west, out to sea, going west, dying, wow'ing, out to sea, dying, going west, rinse and repeat.

Come'on man, what gives with this craziness.



Please just ignore him.

I'm so tired of seeing that garbage.
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5110. 1344 2:50 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting jasonweather11:
i still saying invest 91L GOING OUT TO SEA!!


ARE you kidding me??? It is already moving through the island and will likely affect PR.
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5111. VAbeachhurricanes 2:51 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


names to look for to listen to:
Patrap
Levi
Floodman
Presslord
StormJunkie

just to name a few....


kori
kman
weather456
to name others.
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5112. 1344 2:51 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Please just ignore him.

I'm so tired of that garbage.


Agreed.
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5113. JLPR2 2:51 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting jasonweather11:
TROPICAL STORM EUGENE LOOK MUCH BETTER THEN INVEST 91L IS RIGHT NOW!


Seriously that's all you have to say?
How do you compare a TS with a invest?

You don't make sense.

Goodbye Jason...
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5114. TropicalGenesis 2:51 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
91L has created a moistened environment well ahead of it extending 400 miles or so to the west. The good news for the N. Leeward islands is that the longer it takes to form the less chance it would recurve. The main threat has shifted westward towards Haiti and the DR. If no center is found tomorrow at the surface then 91 will sneak into the Gulf as a long tracked wave.
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5116. want2lrn 2:52 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


names to look for to listen to:
Patrap
Levi
Floodman
Presslord
StormJunkie

just to name a few....


Thank you for the info.
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5117. tiggeriffic 2:52 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


kori
kman
weather456
to name others.


yes VA...not meaning to omit the good ones, still floored by the anitcs of the blog tonight...
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5118. VAbeachhurricanes 2:52 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting P451:


Yeah there's a couple of people with multiple handles just causing problems for the blog and the Admin can't seem to keep them out - and in some cases doesn't seem to have any desire to do so.

Not sure why.

Yesterday there was the one guy on with 3 names and he just kept replying to himself or ganging up on people with the three names. Just juvenile crap that doesn't belong here.

I hate using ignore but I've put a lot of names on ignore the past day when they exhibit the signs of not being serious users and are just purposely looking to bother/bait, act dumb to bait people into replying to their questions, or just here to troll.


Well, hopefully we'll have a new blog tomorrow. Clean start.



Sorry bout that... :p
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5119. DFWjc 2:52 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Another 90 second Tropical update... That's why I like reading the details on this website.
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5120. Thrawst 2:52 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting angiest:


That is a rule of thumb, but plenty of majors have gone west, or even southwest. People shouldn't discount a risk just due to this rule.


I know what you mean, because if current trends continues... i'm in the bullseye.
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5122. oceanblues32 2:53 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
ok so the models seem to keep coming closer to florida anyone have a better idea on this yet? I am in the ft lauderdale/hollywood beach area so a bit concerned!!
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5123. VAbeachhurricanes 2:53 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


yes VA...not meaning to omit the good ones, still floored by the anitcs of the blog tonight...


haha i wasnt saying you were, just helpin you out there bouncy.
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5125. sarahjola 2:54 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting KoritheMan:


We don't know it's going to the east coast. We are merely speculating on a very possibility: that if the system remains weaker, it will feel less pull from the trough.
thanks! i really don't understand too much about steering so don't take my post personal i am truly just asking to learn. i always think a storm is going one way and then it totally goes the other way. lol! as i have said before i am no met, and i love being schooled by you guys:)
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5128. TampaSpin 2:54 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Evening everyone.........I see not TD yet!!!
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5129. Ryuujin 2:54 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting want2lrn:


Thank you for the info.
Quoting tiggeriffic:


names to look for to listen to:
Patrap
Levi
Floodman
Presslord
StormJunkie

just to name a few....

I'll Agree with this. MississippiWX is good as well. So is Kori and the others mentioned.
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5130. 1344 2:54 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
I agree with Jason. Eugene is better than 91L, but 91L is an invest, Eugene is a TS. And comparing basins don't work, EPAC storms are different.
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5131. IceCoast 2:54 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
NAM says not so quick on the Recurve scenario FWIW.
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5132. MeterologyStudent56 2:55 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting JLPR2:


Seriously that's all you have to say?
How do you compare a TS with a invest?

You don't make sense.

Goodbye Jason...


I reported him... I hope he gets banned.

He is the most annyoing person on here.
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5133. taco2me61 2:55 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


names to look for to listen to:
Patrap
Levi
Floodman
Presslord
StormJunkie

just to name a few....


That is a Good List to start with....

:o)

Taco :o)
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5134. WeatherNerdPR 2:55 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
If 91L merges with the wave to its west, how large will it grow?
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5136. 1344 2:55 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:

i am talking about the east coast i do not live in the islands


Neither do I, but it may threaten the US later this week.
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5137. EYEStoSEA 2:55 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
This blog is filled with many very good bloggers, it's the place to be for excellent imfo.
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5138. tiggeriffic 2:55 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


haha i wasnt saying you were, just helpin you out there bouncy.


yeah, well bouncy's spring has sprung roflmbo... my brain wouldn't go past a few names tonight
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5139. blsealevel 2:55 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting want2lrn:
Would someone please respond to 4956 or point me in the direction of the answer? THANK YOU!


Its called Coriolis Force. This acceleration causes cyclonic systems to turn towards the poles in the absence of strong steering currents.

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5140. hunkerdown 2:56 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting Chicklit:
4956. want2lrn 2:02 AM GMT on August 01, 2011 +0
I did not see a response to this question much earlier so i am hoping one of you knowledgeable ones could explain it. In most scenarios, except tropical weather, something that is weak tends to be influenced more by something else. My question is why do "weaker" systems not respond to troughs and things but the stronger ones will? TIA

This is the question.
Am sure he is asking it because if 91L were to develop quicker it would get picked up by the trough and now that it's not developing quicker it's staying further south.
I am thinking first of all that because it is barely moving that this will mean it will "miss" the trough that is supposed to have picked it up.
Were it a stronger system it would have moved out of the area by now and then been at the right place at the right time to get picked up by the trough and sent out to sea. At least that's how I figure it works
.


no, it is due to the layers that steer systems. A weak system is steered by the lower levels. A trough is in the upper levels. If the storm is stronger/deeper, it will be steered by the upper levels, or the trough. A weaker/shallow system is steered by the lower levels, or the flow to the west, and not feel the effect of the trough in the upper levels.
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5141. VAbeachhurricanes 2:56 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Tigger just got home from work, what antics have i missed tonight?
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5144. hurricane23 2:56 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Believe this is coming together nicely tonight. Lots of time for the steering flow across the se US to change and the ridge to possible build back in to the north of the Bahamas beyond 5 days.We will likely see 91L slow down signifcantly and perhaps even stall in the Day 6-8 time period.

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5145. 1344 2:57 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting MeterologyStudent56:


I reported him... I hope he gets banned.

He is the most annyoing person on here.


How do you report people again, I did so in 2010 when I was active but have not done so since November 2010.
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5146. angiest 2:57 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Hmm, this type of track is not entirely out of the question (even if the odds are ridiculously low):



And, gee, another major hurricane out in the open Atlantic that didn't recurve.
Of course, the blog will go crazy if it happens.
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5147. gulfbreeze 2:57 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Models keep going west.
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5148. want2lrn 2:57 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


kori
kman
weather456
to name others.


I had those three also and a couple of others. Don't want to offend anyone so i wasn't going to post my list. If I can just continue to learn how to read the different maps i will know just enough to drive my wife crazy...LOL. I appreciate the answers to my questions even though i know some of them seem like they are on a first grade level.
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5149. 1344 2:57 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
do it i will make a new s/n waiting your time!!


I will report you too.
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5150. louisianaboy444 2:58 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


kori
kman
weather456
to name others.


Louisianaboy444 lol
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5151. angiest 2:58 AM GMT on August 01, 2011    
Quoting 1344:


How do you report people again, I did so in 2010 when I was active but have not done so since November 2010.


The red ! above the comment.
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