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Not a trace of Don; What's next?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:41 PM GMT on July 30, 2011 +33
Don is dead

Tropical Storm Don, the fourth named storm of the 2011 season, made landfall near Baffin Bay, Texas yesterday evening around 10pm CDT in less-than-grand fashion. The storm was looking very weak for the 24 hours before landfall, but fizzled rapidly after landfall, and by early Saturday morning, there was barely a trace of the storm to show that it even existed in the first place.

NHC Hurricane Specialist Eric Blake probably said it best in this mornings 5am EDT discussion on the storm:

THE DON IS DEAD. THE CYCLONE LITERALLY EVAPORATED OVER TEXAS ABOUT
AS FAST AS I HAVE EVER SEEN WITHOUT MOUNTAINS INVOLVED. DON HAS NO
CONVECTION...MEAGER RAINFALL...AND ONLY A SLIGHT SIGNATURE IN
SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND RADAR DATA. THEREFORE...THIS IS THE LAST
ADVISORY ON THIS SYSTEM.


Figure 1. Total precipitation accumulation for the storm, estimated by radar.

The heaviest rainfall was falling south of the storm's center yesterday, so it wasn't surprising that Brownsville saw the most rain, 0.63 inches. KBRO also recorded 18 mph wind gusts. But to the north of the center, where many of the media were located, not a drop of rain fell. Corpus Christi saw zero inches of rain, but did record gale-force wind gusts (39 mph). Harlingen, near Baffin Bay, and close to where the center made landfall, saw 0.20 inches of rain and 18 mph wind gusts. This storm did very, very little to relieve any drought conditions in Southern Texas. And so it continues.

What's next: Invest 91L continues to impress

Invest 91L, which is located near 12°N 48°W in the central Atlantic, continues to impress today, and has shown signs of more organization over the past 24 hours. 91L will probably develop into a tropical cyclone before it reaches the Lesser Antilles, so residents of these islands should remain watchful and prepared. Satellite loops show not only organized thunderstorm activity, but also the makings of a surface circulation. Something this wave has working against it right now is dry air—there's a large mass of Saharan air on the north and east sides of the system, which could at least prevent significant intensification. Also, University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows some strong wind shear (30-40 knots) to the north of the wave. However, I don't expect this to prevent development of the wave. Wind shear out ahead of the system is relatively low (5-15 knots). Moisture is plenty high within the system, and sea surface temperatures are warm and toasty (28°C+) and will only get warmer as 91L moves west into the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Infrared satellite of invest 91L taken at 1:15pm EDT today.

Forecast for 91L
Most of the reliable forecast models (GFS, CMC, FIM, and the ECMWF) have come to agree that 91L will develop, however, they differ on how long-lived that will be. Some of the models are suggesting it will be a short-lived tropical cyclone, not making it out of the Caribbean alive, and some suggest that it will hold together and intensify as it moves north of the Caribbean islands. The forecast track for the system will most likely be to the northwest through the Caribbean, at which point it will take a northeast turn near the Bahamas, never reaching the U.S. coast. HWRF agrees with this track (and also brings the system to category 2 strength by August 3rd). However, there is still some uncertainty that the system could track west, south of the Caribbean islands, and potentially into the Gulf of Mexico. However, none of the models that suggest this solution actually show that the wave will be a tropical cyclone at that point.

The National Hurricane Center is giving this wave an 80% chance of developing into at least Tropical Depression Five over the next 48 hours. Chances are we will see Emily out of this system. A Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled for tomorrow at 2pm EDT, but I wouldn't be totally surprised to see them call this system this evening, given the threat to the Lesser Antilles.

Watching a northwest Caribbean disturbance

A broad area of disturbed weather is producing some heavy thunderstorms in the northwest Caribbean, southeast of the Yucatan Peninsula. Little to no low-level circulation exists with this feature, and none of the models are picking up on it. The Hurricane Center has "blobbed" this item (as I like to say) with a "near 0%" chance of developing over the next 48 hours. This disturbance could cause major flooding in the region given the amount of thunderstorm activity, and predictability for systems like this (potential Bay of Cempeche tropical cyclones) is very low. Models have a short lead time on development, and they spin up very fast once they enter the Bay of Campeche given the favorable topography of the land surrounding it. The difference between this system, though, and one like Arlene, is that there is very, very little low level circulation already present. Pre-Arlene was a bit more organized before it crossed the Yucatan, and so it's hard to imagine that this disturbance will be able to hold together, should it get that far.

If 91L develops, I'll be back tomorrow with a post.

Angela
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2551. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:42 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
POSS T.C.F.A.
XL/XX/INV
MARK
XX/XX
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2552. sailingallover 3:43 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Off to the Magroves...Good luck to all in the path!
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2553. IpswichWeatherCenter 3:44 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:

So its closed, but theres a second Circulation conflicting, I don't think it is ready yet.
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2554. Tazmanian 3:44 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
That would be something if the blob in front if 91L sped up and developed into "Franklin", while 91L became "Emily". That would be interesting to see, at the very least.




and the the HH is heading that way and they will have too pass in there too get too 91L 1st
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2555. Patrap 3:44 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
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2556. Gorty 3:44 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
91L is looking sooo much better now. I can see it being Emily today or tomorrow.
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2557. Tazmanian 3:45 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
POSS T.C.F.A.
XL/XX/INV
MARK
XX/XX




where is that at keep
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2558. hurricanehunter27 3:45 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting scottsvb:


lol your a idiot.. talking about "DOOM" and Gulf of Mexico and its 9-10 days from there is just stupid talk.
Your the idiot here labeling people for just stating an opnion... Its not just stupid talk beacuse the farther you forcast the more time people will have to prepare for the possiblity of a storm, the fact that you still are calling me an idiot shows how insecure you are, thats the only reason you would take time out of your day to post a rude comment that has no use to the blog, just to make you feel better about your self.
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2559. MrstormX 3:45 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



and the the HH is heading that way and they will have too pass in there too get too 91L 1st


I wouldn't be surprised if they do a quick investigation in that, along the way.
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2560. Gorty 3:45 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:


91L Floater - RGB Color Infrared Loop


Looks like it is going due west?
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2561. Chicklit 3:46 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
91L was pretty darned strong to throw that wave out in front.



and it's about to be released from under the heavy shear to its north.
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2562. Thrawst 3:46 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


He is not an idiot, and its rude that you would say such. I don't think you would like it if people started to call you an idiot, would you? Considering I'm only 14, its probably safe to assume your older to me. However, with the way you've acted today, it seems your the young one here.


+1. A lot of drama on this blog past 12-18 hours... lol
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2563. hurricanehunter27 3:47 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


He is not an idiot, and its rude that you would say such. I don't think you would like it if people started to call you an idiot, would you? Considering I'm only 14, its probably safe to assume your older to me. However, with the way you've acted today, it seems your the young one here.
Nice to know i have someone my age on the blog!
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2564. IKE 3:48 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Blog in normal drama filled mode....check.

Carry on.....
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2565. Tazmanian 3:48 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:


I wouldn't be surprised if they do a quick investigation in that, along the way.



and its not like its out of there way or any thing
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2567. scott39 3:48 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Some of you need to do this....10...9...8...7...6...5...ect
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2568. ncstorm 3:48 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting Thrawst:


1. A lot of drama on this blog past 12-18 hours... lol

I dont know..everytime the HH have a flight, the blog gets vicious..right up there with the myth of Dr. Masters going on vacation with an impending major and the Herbert Box associations with storms and the many conversations about Jason..
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2570. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:49 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:




where is that at keep
ITS 91L taz there is twin cirulations going there one out front with 91 following in behind
this system is poorly organized and has to get rid of the system out front or the one behind to become something
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2571. IKE 3:50 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Bannings forthcoming...check.
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2573. Tazmanian 3:50 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
ITS 91L taz there is twin cirulations going there one out front with 91 following in behind
this system is poorly organized and has to get rid of the system out front or the one behind to become something



you no what keep you are poorly organized so there for poof for right now
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2574. MrstormX 3:51 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    






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2575. kmanhurricaneman 3:51 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
lmao
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2576. FloridaTigers 3:52 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting IKE:
Bannings forthcoming...check.
Quoting IKE:
Blog in normal drama filled mode....check.

Carry on.....


Continued off topic remarks that contribute nothing...

Check.
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2577. MrstormX 3:53 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting P451:
Sure looks like 91L is a separate entity and well organized - also more and more rotation seems evident.

Look at it really take off and spin in the final frames of each loop.



The vorticity map shows the wave and 91L connected at some level, but I agree they are more separate then alike.
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2578. Thrawst 3:53 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Nice to know i have someone my age on the blog!


I'm 16, so I am young as well... haha.
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2579. Yamil1989 3:53 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
2566

I agree with you, there is something going on with the CIMMS, I have noticed that as well
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2580. Tazmanian 3:54 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting FloridaTigers:


Continued off topic remarks that contribute nothing...

Check.



lol
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2581. nrtiwlnvragn 3:54 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
I see we have a Bowtie in the GOM


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2582. ncstorm 3:54 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
12Z GFS running now
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2583. aasmith26 3:54 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting BrandiQ:


More like minus Dennis, Katrina, Rita, Stan, and Wilma... It should be an interesting season indeed!


Right! LOL! Was thinking of the more signficant one though. :-D
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2585. hurricanehunter27 3:54 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting Thrawst:


I'm 16, so I am young as well... haha.
Lol i guess im in the middle im 15.
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2587. serialteg 3:55 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting P451:
Visible Loop, Rocked for a detailed look, ending 1415Z.





WV Loop, 12HR, ending 1445Z.





Sure looks like 91L is a separate entity and well organized - also more and more rotation seems evident.

Look at it really take off and spin in the final frames of each loop.



yup the rocking visible this morning really did tell a tale of strengthening
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2588. JGreco 3:55 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Is there a full moon today because even the veterans of this blog are acting like they are having a reality show-esque fight. Distracting and enjoyable at the same time:0
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2589. aussiecold 3:55 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
whats news with recon??
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2590. Gorty 3:56 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
From the HH the flight level winds from 15:39:30Z are 21 Kts which is about 24.1 mph.

http://tropicalatlantic.com/recon/

Then from there you click on something and it brings you to this:

http://tropicalatlantic.com/recon/URNT15/KNHC/

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2591. kmanhurricaneman 3:56 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Good to have kids on this site interested in weather rather than other stuff to get themselves in trouble with the law and thier parents.
kudoo's to all you young ones.
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2592. HurricaneSwirl 3:56 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting FloridaTigers:


Continued off topic remarks that contribute nothing...

Check.


+1. There are posts containing blog drama. Then there are posts that mock or comment about the blog drama. Then there are posts commenting about the people commenting on blog drama like this one. XD
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2593. Tazmanian 3:56 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting P451:
Anyone care to do the math?




What time.....will we know what we got?



dont you think its time too upgrade too window 7 or get a nic PC that has window 7 on it XP wont be a round for evere you no
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2594. Tazmanian 3:57 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting aussiecold:
whats news with recon??



this startrd
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2595. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:57 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting P451:
Visible Loop, Rocked for a detailed look, ending 1415Z.





WV Loop, 12HR, ending 1445Z.





Sure looks like 91L is a separate entity and well organized - also more and more rotation seems evident.

Look at it really take off and spin in the final frames of each loop.



Rocking the visible animation loop of 91L shows you just how much it has organized this morning...The convection has become better organized, the circulation has become tighter, and there are more signs of outflow and banding features.

Considering I thought recon was going out in the system a little later today, we may have a TD/TS at 2PM instead of 5PM.
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2596. ProgressivePulse 3:57 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
I agree the CIMSS seem speculative this year however, in the case of the ULAC, anti-cyclonic flow is surely evident over 91L. I also agree the past couple frames are telling.
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2597. aasmith26 3:58 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting P451:
Visible Loop, Rocked for a detailed look, ending 1415Z.


How did you save the GIF loop?
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2598. Tazmanian 3:59 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Rocking the visible animation loop of 91L shows you just how much it has organized this morning...The convection has become better organized, the circulation has become tighter, and there are more signs of outflow and banding features.

Considering I thought recon was going out in the system a little later today, we may have a TD/TS at 2PM instead of 5PM.




and may be 92L out in front of 91L
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2599. serialteg 3:59 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting P451:


I don't wish to sound like a broken record but I'm trusting these cimss maps less and less and less.

When Don was a deactivated 90L south of Cuba several bloggers pointed out that his vort maps were well displaced of where it actually was. When Don was in the GOM the maps showed light to no shear while Don was clearly disrupted by 15-20kt northerly shear during his GOM trek. Yesterday cimss showed the upperlevel anticyclone displaced far east of 91L when it was clearly still overhead. Today the vort maps show continued connect to the wave that's surged ahead...but recent satellite imagery shows they are separate entities.

It's just what I see and more and more I am not trusting CIMSS site's maps anymore. I don't know if their data gets old and not matching their time stamps. I don't know if their data is not being properly rendered on the maps they release. I'm not sure.

I do know Dr. M put into one of Don's blog entries that CIMSS was analyzing ____kts shear over Don - and (I forget the other source) was forecasting ____kts shear over Don. I

So even he might have noticed that the CIMSS products are possibly incorrect. CIMSS was still showing light shear while the second source showed moderate shear - clearly a proper analysis given the structure of Don on imagery.

Given all of that for me personally I am not taking them into consideration as much as I used to.

Just trying to also give a heads up to others that might have yet to really give them thought.

I used to trust them 100% as well - until I started seeing discrepancies - of which really showed themselves the past couple of days.


For those who do trust the CIMSS products and use them frequently I think you need to take some time question them and really analyze them in detail against real time imagery.

I think you will find something is not right with them more often than not.

....just putting out the advice based on what I have come to notice.



i completely understand - either that or ignorance in my part, blowing a forecast last year so bad lol that i've been reticent of going back to cmiss. but it's probably my lack of knowledge - this is a pretty deep field - and, also that even the most skilled predictions are at the mercy of a science that has not yet perfected the mastery of it's subject, so "educated guess" is more the key theme here
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2600. HurricaneSwirl 3:59 PM GMT on July 31, 2011    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Lol i guess im in the middle im 15.


Same. There are much more people in this blog my age than I originally thought.
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