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Tropical Storm Lee lingers off Louisiana coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:16 AM GMT on September 04, 2011 +21
Tropical Storm Lee continues to bring heavy rain, moderately strong wind gusts, and tornado risk to the Gulf Coast states east of Texas. Lee is 55 miles south of Lafayette, Louisiana, and is drifting almost due north at 4 mph. Lee's central pressure dropped to 988 mb since this morning, but has maximum sustained wind speeds that have decreased to 50mph. The National Hurricane Center has extended the tropical storm warning eastward to Destin, Florida. Since this morning, New Orleans Lakefront Airport has received about another inch of rain for a storm total of 6.87 inches. Rainfall estimates from radar suggest some locations, especially close to the coast, might have already seen up to 8 inches of rain from Tropical Storm Lee. Although the New Orleans area is in a dry slot of the storm, more rain can be expected through the night in the form of isolated storms with heavy downpours. Louisiana's Jefferson Parish officials ordered a mandatory evacuation for three towns earlier today: Lafitte, Crown Point, and Barataria. Heavy rain and tidal surge pushed the water of Bayou Barataria into the surrounding low-lying areas, and officials warned that if residents didn't leave, they might become stranded for a couple of days.


Figure 1. Infrared satellite of Tropical Storm Lee captured around 6pm EDT. Source: NOAA.

Forecast for Tropical Storm Lee
Lee's forecast hasn't changed much since this morning. Dry air is being pulled in from the west, which is giving the storm a very subtropical appearance, and is mitigating intensification. Earlier today, two centers of circulation were visible in satellite and confirmed by Hurricane Hunters. The centers were rotating around each other in full Fujiwara fashion, and although they were scientifically interesting, it meant that there was no clear center of circulation, and probably helped to weaken storm. The National Hurricane Center expects that Lee will come ashore in Louisiana later this evening and linger over the region until Monday, when it will finally be pushed north by a mid-latitude wave.

Lee's tornado threat
A tornado watch is in effect for southern Louisiana and portions of Mississippi, Alabama, and the western Florida Panhandle until 10pm CDT. The forecast is for small and short-lived tornadoes, but the threat for tornado damage is still there. A PhD student at Georgia Tech (and my former group member), James Belanger, runs a skillful model to predict the number of tornadoes that a tropical cyclone could produce. The model uses variables such as the size of the storm, the maximum wind speed, and moisture. For the 2008 hurricane season, the model accurately predicted the number of tornadoes that would be spawned from a quite a few tropical cyclones, including Hurricane Dolly, Tropical Storm Edouard, Tropical Storm Fay, and Hurricane Ike. Given today's forecast track and intensity, Belanger's model is forecasting 30-40 tornadoes could be spawned from Tropical Storm Lee, mainly in the Southeast states east of and including Louisiana.

Interestingly, although the nose of dry air that's being pulled in from drought-stricken Texas (visible in the satellite image above) is acting to keep the storm weak, it's also playing a role in the number of tornadoes that could be spawned from Lee. The dry air is a crucial component for the storm to develop discrete, isolated thunderstorm cells (versus a large shield of heavy rain). The discrete cells, just like during severe weather season, are the storms that are most capable of producing a tornado.

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1351. STLweatherjunkie 2:04 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:
Lee only has one center today. Much easier to track now.

I dont understand why more people arent focusing on lee still, just because it isn't a strong storm. He still looks like a pretty serious problem for the south. I dont really agree with their classification of lee though, there is a temperature and moisture gradient associated with the storm. Pretty much instantly removes the purely tropical nature of the storm, and also removes the fact that it needs central convection to maintain 1000 mb intensity. But that poses more serious problems because the huge dry slot on visible imagery. This is still a strong enough storm to spawn lots of severe weather. The dry slot is allowing for sustained surface based heating, the main missing ingredient for tornadoes in most tropical natured cyclones. People along the immediate southern coastline really need to pay attention to the line of storms heading their way, and be prepared for tornadoes and severe thunderstorms.
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1352. GTcooliebai 2:05 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Accumulated Cyclone Energy Index as compared through the years, note we're still in that part of the active phase that started in 1995.



http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/ba ckground_information.shtml
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1353. ackee 2:05 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
anyone think NHC will upgrade katia to CAT2 at 11AM
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1354. MysteryMeat 2:05 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Sfloridacat5:



My sister told me her friend (they live in S.E. Virginia) is still without power from Irene. I was like "you've got to be kidding". The conditions weren't even that bad there (40 mph gusts and rain).


I was in Richmond for Isabel and did not have power for 10 days, even though it was a mid-range tropical storm by the time it came up here. Lost water for a couple of days too. Remember watching a Shoney's burn to the ground because the only thing the fire department could do was send pumper trucks.
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1355. violetprofusion 2:05 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Jedkins01:


It is true that saturated grounds can topple trees. But lets face it, trees fall much easier up there than they do down in Florida. Here on the west coast of Florida we had much stronger winds for a much longer period of time with saturated grounds during Frances and Jeanne and mostly the only entire trees that toppled were old trees that had rot on the inside. Healthy Oaks, Pines, and Palms here in Florida can take 100 mph winds. Up there trees topple at 50 mph lol

In fact, I think there was more damage to power lines and structures around here than foliage! lol


Part of the downed-tree problem here in the Northeast is that we just don't get strong tropical-storm winds very often. Big old brittle trees with rot and/or shallow roots can hang on year after year after year, because they don't often experience the kind of wind that can topple them and get rid of them.

If you're in an area where you see 100mph winds more often, those big old shallow-rooted trees may exist--but most of them are probably long gone. Palms can endure high winds a lot better than an ancient shallow-rooted deciduous tree in soaked soil! Our trees just aren't made for that kind of wind, though, and that was one of the major forces that compounded the issue.

It is my hope that Irene "weeded out" many of the rotted/fragile trees up here. I saw downed trees in my apartment complex that smashed mailboxes and came perilously close to falling on cars. The roots of those big old rotted trees were barely there--shallow and weak, with no way to hold on to the soaked soil. Good riddance to those old trees. I hope we don't see much more of that.
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1356. Seastep 2:05 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting ackee:
anyone think NHC will upgrade katia to CAT2 at 11AM


No question about it.
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1358. WeatherNerdPR 2:08 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
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1359. AussieStorm 2:08 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting ackee:
anyone think NHC will upgrade katia to CAT2 at 11AM

Maybe!!!!
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1360. Tazmanian 2:08 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
AL, 12, 2011090412, , BEST, 0, 216N, 588W, 85, 968, HU,


the mb has drop from 987mb too 968mb
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1361. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:08 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
WTF?

Went to bed with a TS, and wake up with a rapidly intensifying Category 2?!

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1362. LAlurker 2:09 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting weatherh98:
my gosh its still raining here

Anyone ever wonder where here is? It appears very often in this blog. Let me look it up in my zipcode directory.
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1363. CybrTeddy 2:09 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting weatherh98:


nope yoour misttakin



No, you are. While the NHC updates at 11, the ATCF feed that the NHC runs into the models for data has it as a 100 mph Category 2 hurricane.
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1364. BrandiQ 2:10 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
WTF?

Went to bed with a TS, and wake up with a rapidly intensifying Category 2?!



How will this change her path?
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1366. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:11 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
19 mb. drop since the 7AM advisory...May be past rapid intensification.
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1367. biloxidaisy 2:11 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Orcasystems:
I am obviously missing something here (I know.. nothing new there)..

When I downloaded the latest tracks and cones from the NHC to plot them in google... they have Katia as a CAT 2



Wouldn't that possibly be a good thing though? Wouldn't she tend to go more poleward if she is stronger?
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1368. stillwaiting 2:11 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
ii found this awsome hurricnae hunter video with eyewall penatration ,really cool stuff!!!!

Link
,cant get the link to work,just google flying thru eyewall ,anyone tell me how to post a youtube vid,i cannt even get t to link



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1369. Remek 2:12 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:
Oh my god- Is that moist air over Texas?


"Over" being the problem. That WV image is deceiving. Surface layers are still very dry air from the N, and won't change until a S/SE flow redevelops (late next week, maybe).
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1370. Tazmanian 2:12 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
this may not be good


sorry too keep posting this but


AL, 12, 2011090412, , BEST, 0, 216N, 588W, 85, 968, HU,


the mb has drop from 987mb too 968mb



this was not forcast too be come a 85kt storm in tell 72hrs


72H 07/0600Z 27.7N 68.0W 85 KT 100 MPH


it did it in lees hafe that
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1371. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:12 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


You would expect a much more impressive Color Enhanced Satellite Image based on that.

But...it's not there. Yet.



I don't know...This was Paula from last year at 100 MPH:



Not much difference, IMO.
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1372. Tazmanian 2:13 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


You would expect a much more impressive Color Enhanced Satellite Image based on that.

But...it's not there. Yet.




like it or not it is what it is
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1373. CaneHunter031472 2:13 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting BrandiQ:


How will this change her path?


Will tend to go more to the North, and it seems that the NHC has a good trajectory on it, so other than keeping a good eye on it over the east coast I would not be too concerned about it.
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1374. Orcasystems 2:14 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting biloxidaisy:



Wouldn't that possibly be a good thing though? Wouldn't she tend to go more poleward if she is stronger?


Off hand.. I would say yes.
BUT...
As has happened before... and I am no forecaster.. nor do I pretend to be...
In a RI cane... they have a tendency of getting to big and making their own tracks and ignoring Highs/Lows.
I am sure there is some fancy scientific wording for it... but we have seen it happen.
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1375. AllyBama 2:14 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting wxobsvps:
I think as Lee drifts east, we'll see that dry area between the two big slugs of moisture fill in...

Lee will hug the coast while also slipping away from the dry air source in TX, and the feed will come more from the GoM rather than the continental land mass.... rain event just starting I think for North Central Gulf Coast.



the majority of our rain is due in this afternoon/evening and tomorrow..it will make the 5-6" we have received so far look puny - lol.
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1376. GTcooliebai 2:14 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting violetprofusion:


Part of the downed-tree problem here in the Northeast is that we just don't get strong tropical-storm winds very often. Big old brittle trees with rot and/or shallow roots can hang on year after year after year, because they don't often experience the kind of wind that can topple them and get rid of them.

If you're in an area where you see 100mph winds more often, those big old shallow-rooted trees may exist--but most of them are probably long gone. Palms can endure high winds a lot better than an ancient shallow-rooted deciduous tree in soaked soil! Our trees just aren't made for that kind of wind, though, and that was one of the major forces that compounded the issue.

It is my hope that Irene "weeded out" many of the rotted/fragile trees up here. I saw downed trees in my apartment complex that smashed mailboxes and came perilously close to falling on cars. The roots of those big old rotted trees were barely there--shallow and weak, with no way to hold on to the soaked soil. Good riddance to those old trees. I hope we don't see much more of that.
Yep the only time you ever experience those kinds if winds are during Nor'Easters, when they're no leaves on the trees, making it hard for them to get uprooted. Down here in FL. I have an old Oak tree in the front yard, probably 100's of years old, and now the roots are coming up, so yep not before long when this tree gets uprooted, hopefully it will fall a road side and not on top of my house!
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1377. interstatelover7165 2:14 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Where do you get the file for Google Earth?
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1379. HuracanTaino 2:15 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Vero1:
WeatherNerdPR Something to watch:

000
AXNT20 KNHC 041147
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT SUN SEP 04 2011


...TROPICAL WAVES...

TROPICAL WAVE IS ANALYZED FROM 09N22W TO 17N23W MOVING W AT
10-15 KT. EXAMINING RECENT UPPER AIR TIME SECTION ANALYSES FROM
DAKAR SENEGAL AND HOVMOLLER DIAGRAMS OF SATELLITE IMAGERY OVER
WESTERN AFRICA AND THE EASTERN TROPICAL ATLC FROM THE PAST FEW
DAYS...IT APPEARS THIS WAVE PASSED DAKAR BETWEEN 03/0600 UTC AND
03/1200 UTC ALOFT IN THE 800-900 MB RANGE. GLOBAL MODEL GUIDANCE
ALSO INDICATES THE CYCLONIC ATTRIBUTES ASSOCIATED WITH THE WAVE
ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE A WESTWARD MOTION AT LOW LATITUDE THE
NEXT FEW DAYS.
SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 05N-10N
BETWEEN 22W-29W.

Is this the Killer wave responsible of more than a hundred of death in Africa?
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1380. will40 2:15 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Off hand.. I would say yes.
BUT...
As has happened before... and I am no forecaster.. nor do I pretend to be...
In a RI cane... they have a tendency of getting to big and making their own tracks and ignoring Highs/Lows.
I am sure there is some fancy scientific wording for it... but we have seen it happen.


maybe called pumping the ridge lol?
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1381. WetBankGuy 2:15 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting STLweatherjunkie:

People along the immediate southern coastline really need to pay attention to the line of storms heading their way, and be prepared for tornadoes and severe thunderstorms.


Don't worry, we are. The feeder band rolling over the panhandle then wrapping around the storm and coming back over New Orleans show lots of moisture on the satellite, and lots of storms popping up just SE of NOLA. And we're under a tornado watch all day.

But I'm starting to pay attention to Katia again because I have to fly to VA next week.
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1382. Orcasystems 2:16 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting interstatelover7165:
Where do you get the file for Google Earth?


Link
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1383. GTcooliebai 2:16 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting wxobsvps:
Yep... NAM is off the pipe. Keeps Lee tracking east right along the coast

That makes more sense, Lee is getting stretch into that frontal boundary.
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1384. CaicosRetiredSailor 2:17 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting aquak9:

Kosher salt.

Love you too, CRS. And a few others, heh heh heh...


Old Salt


Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning.... and a great one it is, given that one of my photos I uploaded yesterday got selected as my first Approvers' Choice! Whoohoo!




CONGRATS!
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1385. Orcasystems 2:18 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting will40:


maybe called pumping the ridge lol?


I hate that expression as much as "fish storm"
there is no valid definition of that term.. and its normally used by children looking for a laugh.

thats not aimed at you... its for others who use it
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1386. Tazmanian 2:18 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
this may not be good


sorry too keep posting this but


AL, 12, 2011090412, , BEST, 0, 216N, 588W, 85, 968, HU,


the mb has drop from 987mb too 968mb



this was not forcast too be come a 85kt storm in tell 72hrs


72H 07/0600Z 27.7N 68.0W 85 KT 100 MPH


it did it in lees hafe that
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1388. bwi 2:19 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
0z ECMWF has a strong Katia uncomfortably close to the mid-atlantic coast. Will check the 12z -- seems like a trend over recent runs.
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1389. sugarsand 2:19 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Waterspout sighted off coast of Destin.


I am a block from the beach here in Destin. These big black clouds are so fast moving,I am sure there have been several spouts over the past few days. Thundering and pouring out now. Thought about grabbing the camera, then thought again....
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1390. GTcooliebai 2:19 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    


Should start clearing out an eye soon.
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1391. overwash12 2:20 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting will40:


maybe called pumping the ridge lol?
That seems to be a longstanding joke on the blog,can that actually happen?
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1392. Tazmanian 2:20 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Orcasystems:


I hate that expression as much as "fish storm"
there is no valid definition of that term.. and its normally used by children looking for a laugh.

thats not aimed at you... its for others who use it



+1
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1393. hunkerdown 2:21 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

ATCF has it at 85 knots.
but we all know the NHC does not always make instant changes based on their figures.
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1394. dmdhdms 2:21 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting AllyBama:


the majority of our rain is due in this afternoon/evening and tomorrow..it will make the 5-6" we have received so far look puny - lol.


I just got caught in the band that is moving into MS from LA. Had some heavy downdraft gusts (approx. 40-50 kts.) when it came in with heavy rain, so Lee still can pack a punch. The stuff is moving pretty quickly.
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1395. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:21 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
No doubt a 90 MPH+ hurricane right now, and still strengthening. P451, can you get one of those loops on the storm like you like doing?

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1396. Beachfoxx 2:21 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Actually the bay looks pretty flat right now, would have to wear foul WX gear if on the boat & we'd still gerbwet!! LoL
Not a good day for boating or YOLOing!
I'd say about 5" rain here don't want to vent tire out to look at gauge.
BTW - I have a weather station, still in box--hubby wants a wireless one.
Quoting 69Viking:


Wanna take the boat out to go check out LOL!? Approaching 6 inches of rain here at my house Beach, some pretty nasty storms coming on shore now for sure!
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1397. GTcooliebai 2:22 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
Is RI Flag {on}?
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1398. 7544 2:22 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
morning all lees looks like its moving ese going back into the gom if this happens would the trof push him more to the east closer for fla tia

and ktia is looking goood this am does the nam still say west for her tia
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1399. interstatelover7165 2:22 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
19 mb. drop since the 7AM advisory...May be past rapid intensification.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
19 mb. drop since the 7AM advisory...May be past rapid intensification.
Past RI? What does that mean? Rapidly Quick Intensification?
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1400. AllyBama 2:22 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting sugarsand:


I am a block from the beach here in Destin. These big black clouds are so fast moving,I am sure there have been several spouts over the past few days. Thundering and pouring out now. Thought about grabbing the camera, then thought again....


ss - stay safe over there!..I been watching the "blob" hanging your way with the t/s and lots of rain..
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1401. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:22 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting hunkerdown:
but we all know the NHC does not always make instant changes based on their figures.


On two occasions, last year and this year. However, given the buoy data, they will likely make it a Category 2. If not, a strong Cat. 1.
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