95L drenches Florida; floods kill 84 in Central America; huge dust storm hits TX

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:43 PM GMT on October 18, 2011

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A large low pressure system off the Florida Gulf Coast, Invest 95L, is bringing heavy rains to Southwest Florida. Rainfall amounts in excess of 3 inches have been common across South Florida since Saturday; Miami has picked up 3.80" as of 9 am EDT this morning, and Key West Naval Air Facility has recorded 14.41", and 14.78" fell on Sugarloaf Key. Key West has experienced other rain events with far more precipitation; their all-time 24-hour rainfall is 23.28", set on November 11, 1980. Interestingly, this is more rain than fell in the entire year of 1974, when Key West received only 19.99".

Rains of 5 - 10 inches have fallen over much of the Florida Keys and Central Cuba since Sunday, according to radar rainfall estimates from the Key West Radar. Long-range radar out of Key West shows that the rain has now pushed north of the Keys, and the region between Naples and Fort Myers is getting the heaviest rains. Satellite loops show that 95L has a respectable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, but the system is disorganized and has been stretched by wind shear. With wind shear now a high 20 - 30 knots over 95L, development is unlikely, and NHC has dropped their odds of it developing into a tropical depression to 10%. 95L will bring heavy rains of 2 - 3 inches to Southwest Florida today, and NOAA's Storm Prediction Center has placed much of Florida in their "slight risk" area for severe weather, including the possibility of isolated tornadoes.


Figure 1. True-color MODIS image of an interesting 50 km-wide vortex near the north coast of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula that became the center of 95L late yesterday afternoon. Image taken at 1:45 pm EDT October 17, 2011. Image credit: NASA.

Heavy rains kill 84 in Central America
A week of torrential rains across Central America have triggered extreme floods and landslides that have killed 84 people, with 9 missing, according to media reports. El Salvador and Guatemala have seen the worst flooding, with 32 and 31 people killed, respectively. Another 13 have died in Honduras, and 8 in Nicaragua. The rains were due to a large area of low pressure that was moistened by the landfall of Tropical Depression 12-E near the Mexico/Guatemala border last week. Since the beginning of October, the region near the coast on the Guatemala/El Salvador border has received over 800 mm (31.50") of rain, according to Norman Avila of climaya.com, a Guatemalan weather web site.


Figure 2. Visible satellite animation of the Texas South Plains dust storm of October 17, 2011. Image credit: NWS Lubbock.

Massive dust storm sweeps through the Texas Panhandle
It was a very bad afternoon rush hour yesterday in the Texas Panhandle. A powerful cold front pushed through the state during the afternoon, and damaging north winds behind the front whipped up a dangerous dust storm that cut visibility to near-zero during the afternoon rush hour. Lubbock recorded sustained winds of 48 mph, gusting to 63 mph, with a visibility of 0.2 miles in heavy dust at 5:36 pm CDT. The dust storm was reminiscent of the great dust storms of the 1930s dust bowl era, and was due to the ongoing exceptional drought. Unfortunately, the front brought no rain to the area, and Lubbock has received just 3.16" of rain so far in 2011--more than 13.50" below average. In his Climate Abyss blog, Texas's state climatologist, John Nielsen-Gammon, gives a 25% that the current drought will last five more years. He has an interesting post on how global warming may have affected the drought. He concludes:

Precipitation: The balance of evidence does not support the assertion that the rainfall deficit since October 2010 was made larger or more likely by global warming.

Temperature: Compared to long-term averages of summer temperature, the rainfall deficit accounted for about 4°F of excess heat and global warming accounted for about 1°F of excess heat. Warmer temperatures lead to greater water demand, faster evaporation, and greater drying-out of potential fuels for fire. Thus, the impacts of the drought were enhanced by global warming, much of which has been caused by man.


Video 1. Video of the October 17, 2011 dust storm in Lubbock, Texas.

Jeff Masters

Invest 95L (oneshotww)
We received rain most of the day yesterday and again today from Invest 95L. The visibility and flooding were pretty bad during the evening commute home. My street is totally under water. Most folks had enough sense to drive slow as conditions made it necessary to take it easy.
Invest 95L
Invest 95L - My Street (oneshotww)
This is my street - it was slow going to get home. I don't recall ever driving thru so much and such deep water before. At times, it was tough to tell where the road was. We received rain most of the day yesterday and again today from Invest 95L. The visibility and flooding were pretty bad during the evening commute home. My street is totally under water. Most folks had enough sense to drive slow as conditions made it necessary to take it easy.
Invest 95L - My Street

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801. Jedkins01
2:46 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting TampaSpin:
Morning all.........what a great day in Tampa.....NICE! What a weather Bust for this area....the dry air was in place but, the models keep thinking the warm front would move North.......that simply did not happen. We hardly got a drop of rain. But, this should not be over shadowed what has happened South of here. I knew it was gonna be bad with all that energy coming.


Hey, please don't get get mad at me, please consider what I'm saying...

Ok, so here the deal, I wasn't here to really discuss this last night, but when I said yesterday that the Tampa Bay area was going to miss out on all the heavy activity, it wasn't because the atmosphere didn't support it, I just saw a trend in the atmosphere and went with it.
The fact is, there was no dry air over Tampa Yesterday the warm front did move well north of us, in fact, Central Florida had massive amounts of moisture, including saturation on multiple levels. We had a PWAT up to 2.4 inches yesterday, which is a VERY moist atmosphere. Furthermore, we had all the strong dynamics in place, to support strong thunderstorms and an isolated tornado, as well as strong vorticity from a 999 mb low.

So why was there a gap over Tampa Bay? I have really no idea, all the parameters supported 2 to 4 inches of rain, actually 2 to 4 conservatively, and very strong thunderstorms.
Yet it didn't happen. In a way though it makes sense how the forecast was so wrong, all the atmospheric ingredients came together to support wild weather in Central Florida, just like the models predicted, and just like forecasters expected. The problem is, NOTHING actually became of it, despite everything favoring widespread intense convection.

That is the tricky thing about the atmosphere, you can get all your numbers right, and still be dead wrong.


If your convinced it was cause of dry air, I urge you to do a rewind and find out for yourself. Even if we had half the moisture in the air of what we did yesterday, it would have been well more than enough to support torrential rain and strong thunderstorms, due to strong dynamics. However, we had the atmosphere of a healthy tropical cyclone pulling up over Florida.



Ive also seen cases here where we had low chances of storms in the forecast due to unfavorable conditions for convection. However, for whatever reason, there were massive amounts of showers and storms contrary to what the atmosphere would support.



Now I'm not saying either situation is common, but it does happen occasionally. Personally, I think it reminds us there is so much more going on in weather that we don't understand very well.
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800. TampaSpin
2:35 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
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799. Sfloridacat5
2:17 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting Neapolitan:

I live right near the tip of that "spear" of rain pointing into northern Collier/southern Lee. My not-very-reliable home rain gauge says a bit over 6" fell at my place from noon yesterday until now. That's only a bit more than half of what Key West saw this week, but I'll take it...


I live very close to you in Lee County. I had over 5" at my location.
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798. Sfloridacat5
2:16 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
NEW BLOG
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797. Neapolitan
2:16 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting Sfloridacat5:
Storm totals loop.
Shows the training over S.W. Florida during the day yesterday going into last night.
Along with the heavy rain over the keys.

I live right near the tip of that "spear" of rain pointing into northern Collier/southern Lee. My not-very-reliable home rain gauge says a bit over 6" fell at my place from noon yesterday until now. That's only a bit more than half of what Key West saw this week, but I'll take it...
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796. Sfloridacat5
2:09 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Storm totals loop.
Shows the training over S.W. Florida during the day yesterday going into last night.
Along with the heavy rain over the keys.
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795. kwgirl
2:01 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting libertygirl:
Holy! My daughter just came in from taking some pics around our part of the island...much of this side of the island is under water (Atlantic Blvd). Going out now to get more pics and will try to post them later.
Atlantic Blvd always floods. Just be thankful you don't have salt water, which always floods that side during a hurricane. It will probably stand for a few days.
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794. libertygirl
1:50 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Holy! My daughter just came in from taking some pics around our part of the island...much of this side of the island is under water (Atlantic Blvd). Going out now to get more pics and will try to post them later.
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793. TampaSpin
1:47 PM GMT on October 19, 2011


Few flakes gonna fly in the Cumberlands / Smokey Mountains......might get some white caps on them.
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792. libertygirl
1:44 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
I know what you mean, it is very frustrating to have to venture out in this stuff, for four days now, while police and public works, shun the flooding streets - saying "call the other one" if you want action, to weary travelers, watching as they all go into the "hole" and flood out their cars - without any input via road closures...very frustrating and irresponsible on their behalf. At the very least, I would think the local radio stations could provide update info on flood roads not to travel on. It's been a "trail and error" experience for many locals and tourists here for the past four days. I bet the rental car agencies aren't too happy and many have "drowned" their cars, driving in 3-4ft of "ponding" on roads. :-P
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791. kwgirl
1:43 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Good morning all. Key West is underwater in a lot of places. I was able to make it into work, with the help of a lot of prayer. The foot of Eaton street was the worst, water up to my bumper. I had to park on Eaton and walk the four blocks to the end of duval where I work. The water from Greene St. to the end of Duval was calf to knee high water. I could smell the salt water in the mix as I walked. Now I see the radar shows more rain trailing over us. I was woken this morning at 5AM with severe Thunder and Lightning. And pleasantly surprised that we did not lose power. I think that is a first! Tide is coming in now, I have been told, so it will be a while before some of the streets drain and a few days of dry weather before the rest percolates or evaporates. But I know all the low spots in town, so I should be able to make it home tonight. Everyone stay safe.
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790. Xyrus2000
1:40 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting justsouthofnola:
man made global warming is a hoax.


No. No it isn't. What you're implying is the existence of a global conspiracy, right up there with the Illuminati and UFOs.

All the research is available, and their methodologies. In most cases, even source code and data are available. Claiming something is a hoax just because you don't agree with it isn't a debate of any kind. Find the flaws. Build your case. Publish.


its nothing more than ppl making money off the sheep of this world.


If you want that type of behavior, go to Wall Street. As has been pointed out repeatedly here and other places, you don't get rich being a climate scientist. If a climate scientist really wants to make boatloads of cash, they go to work for fossil fuels companies.


The Roman civilization arose when the earth was much warmer than it's been recently.


No, it didn't. The "climate optimum" lasted about 4,000 years from 6000BC to 2000BC, well before the birth of the Roman Empire. Temperature reconstructions for the time period, along with records from that time period do not indicate that world was "much warmer". In fact, it was cooler.


And it's no coincidence that just as the earth was entering the 400-year-long "Little Ice Age," the Roman Empire was overrun by the Huns.


Incorrect. The western Roman Empire collapsed in 476 AD, due to political and economic instability and invading Gothic forces. The Huns were an indirect player. The little ice age did not begin until the mid 1500's, about 1100 years or so after the fall of the Roman Empire.


The Egyptians also built the pyramids when it was much warmer than today,


Incorrect. Temperature reconstructions do not back up this claim. The "climate optimum", which was occurring during that time period, warmed the planet at best by less than half of a degree at maximum (about .4 C). Our current global temperature average has warmed by .75 C over the last century. In fact, it is currently warmer now than it has been at any point during the Holocene.

and the beginning of the industrial revolution coincided with the end of the Little Ice Age.


That has nothing to do with anything. The industrial age began as a result of the progress of human thought and technology, brought on by the discoveries and revelations during the age of enlightenment.

If global warming is such a problem, doesn't it seem odd that mankind has always flourished during the earth's warmest periods?


Incorrect.

Mankind has only existed in one other "warm period" and that was when Homo Sapiens showed up about 200,000 years ago. The current inter-glacial began around 10-15,000 years ago, had a maximum about 6,000 years ago, and was cooling off gradually until we hit the 20th century where temperatures have suddenly spiked upwards.

The global population depends on a relatively stable climate in order to survive. Any changes or destabilization of that climate is a cause for great concern. Especially since even small climate shifts have historically caused serious problems for us.
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789. Buhdog
1:37 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting Buhdog:
The much advertised cold front squall line did not materialize the way many anticipated. (at least not in ft myers) Is it possible that 95l was sub tropical a bit? Would that have made the air more stable and make a less dangerous pre front tstorm situation? I was prepared to get another big round this morning (overnight)but....slept right till the alarm.


I guess i will quote myself lol

Is that the prefrontal squall line approaching the west coast just now (later than expected) Link
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788. Neapolitan
1:37 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting eddye:
no it says on nws 40 degrees in jacksonville

Can you please provide a link to the page? I'm curious...
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787. TampaSpin
1:32 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Morning all.........what a great day in Tampa.....NICE! What a weather Bust for this area....the dry air was in place but, the models keep thinking the warm front would move North.......that simply did not happen. We hardly got a drop of rain. But, this should not be over shadowed what has happened South of here. I knew it was gonna be bad with all that energy coming.
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786. surfsidesindy
1:31 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Feeling your pain in south FL and the keys as that was us the weekend before here in central FL. Been watching news all morning and not a spec of news on South FL. Really frustrating.
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785. eddye
1:28 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
wat the new weather website
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784. libertygirl
1:24 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
wow, you know nature has a way of telling you something is coming, when birds start flying into the windows? Poor things...
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783. Sfloridacat5
1:22 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Good morning
Wild night last night up until about Midnight. At my location in South Ft. Myers winds gusted between
45 - 50 mph while I was trying to go to bed (11:30pm).

Rainfall totals over 5".

Now its time to dry out and feel the cool breeze.

Tides running a couple feet above normal with a strong onshore flow (high surf advisory) over on the west coast.
Ft. Myers beach morning pic.
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782. weaverwxman
1:19 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting eddye:
weaverwxman so they dont have school today in broward

I don't know I don't have school age children but I think there is school in Broward. Monroe County closed schools for today though.
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781. libertygirl
1:18 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting waterskiman:

Hi Liberty,

bucketing down with some ripper lightning, we still have power so far


first time i have seen an "excessive lightening" issued, in a long time. take care, wish you all the best the day can bring - complete with power and no leaks...
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780. eddye
1:17 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
no it says on nws 40 degrees in jacksonville
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779. eddye
1:16 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
lets go miami heat
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778. Neapolitan
1:16 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting eddye:
if it was raining in jacksonvile tonight we could see snow showers

Jacksonville, Florida? I really doubt that; the predicted low is 50 tonight and 47 tomorrow...
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777. eddye
1:15 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
weaverwxman so they dont have school today in broward
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776. libertygirl
1:15 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting eddye:
where u from liberety girl
I am in Key West. lol when I first found weather underground, I lived in Liberty, NY. Hence, the snow...hehehe. Which I miss, a lot! I just want to thank all of you weather peeps out there who have provided valuable info on various weather events - not too mention - the conversations are quite entertaining at times. :) There are so many advisories up at this time, it's sorta like "storm limbo" - goin' on four days...it's time to have some fun!!
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775. waterskiman
1:12 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting libertygirl:


Key West, here, yah - I see you all are getting some heavy rain, from Marathon up. Our streets are still pooled with water from two days ago. Last nights rain continuing this morning - I can only imagine how high the water is now - going out in a few to get some pics. Take care and stay safe.

Hi Liberty,

bucketing down with some ripper lightning, we still have power so far
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774. weaverwxman
1:11 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Davie,Fl. got hammered pretty good last night, but not as bad as plantation and Sunrise which probally had at least an F1 touch down about 10:00pm. Possibly two or three tornados they would not let me in the neighborhhod this AM to take pics but from what I saw on TV there might be at least two homes that are uninhabitable. It should be clear and cooler tomorrow perfect weather for cleanup..
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773. libertygirl
1:08 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting waterskiman:
Hey you lot,

Whos in the keys? Are we getting belted or what. I am in Islamorada. Is Key West under water?


Key West, here, yah - I see you all are getting some heavy rain, from Marathon up. Our streets are still pooled with water from two days ago. Last nights rain continuing this morning - I can only imagine how high the water is now - going out in a few to get some pics. Take care and stay safe.
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772. eddye
1:08 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
where u from liberety girl
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771. libertygirl
1:05 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Good morning - hope all the peeps up in south florida are safe and well. waking up to the day four of this 95L, schools are closed, finally. nwc issued "excessive lightening" advisory, flood watch, hazard weather statement. happy to have day off from work, together, with kids out of school. it's comparable to a "snow day" up north. heading out this morning, before rain starts, to get some pics. :)
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770. eddye
1:02 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
if it was raining in jacksonvile tonight we could see snow showers
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769. MahFL
1:00 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Oh and remember frost can occur well above 32 F air temp, it's the ground temp/humidity which determins if frost forms in those conditions.

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768. waterskiman
12:59 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Hey you lot,

Whos in the keys? Are we getting belted or what. I am in Islamorada. Is Key West under water?
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767. MahFL
12:57 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting eddye:
we didnt get no severe weather here in jacksonville but where my dad is i havent talken to him he in davie fl i hope he is allright and how cold is it suppose to get in jacksonville do u think we will get into the 30 and wat does the models show


Just read the JAX NWS forcast discussion....

Link
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766. Cotillion
12:56 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting TropicTraveler:


Cotillion - you don't want to confuse this issue with facts......



Quoting presslord:


please stop confusing people with facts...


Hehe, nice!

Quoting hydrus:
Good morning Cott..lol.


Morning Hydrus! On good form, I hope?

And kilgores97, I'm not going to get into American politics. However, I don't think there's any grand conspiracy; neither 'wing' is competent enough to pull such a thing off.

I merely corrected obvious inaccuracies. ;) (That said, maybe Neolithic would've been better to say. Or just simply Stone Age. Whatever.)
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765. hydrus
12:50 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
The rough weather over South florida should end by this afternoon or tonight..
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764. stormpetrol
12:46 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
The next AOI to watch IMO is 12.5N/76W
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763. hydrus
12:46 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting Cotillion:


The Ostrogoths actually ended the Roman Empire, not the Huns (who did cause indirect effects which led to its demise).

;)

And further to your historical inaccuracies, the 'Little Ice Age' started about a 1,000 years after the Huns.

Plus, now is supposed to be warmer than anytime in the Holocene (or at the very least, the warmest since the Mesolithic)

But hey, don't let that stop you.
Good morning Cott..lol.
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762. Buhdog
12:43 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
The much advertised cold front squall line did not materialize the way many anticipated. (at least not in ft myers) Is it possible that 95l was sub tropical a bit? Would that have made the air more stable and make a less dangerous pre front tstorm situation? I was prepared to get another big round this morning (overnight)but....slept right till the alarm.
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761. klew136
12:43 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting waterskiman:
Blowing 40 in the upper keys, yikes, stuff flying all over

Issued by The National Weather Service
Key West, FL
Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 9:59 PM EDT
Local Radar Map
Updated Oct 19, 2011, 1:45am EDT
Weather in Motion® | Enlarge Map Get WeatherReadyWatches & Warnings Explained
If a Tornado Warning is Issued…
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THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED TORNADO WATCH 868 UNTIL 6 AM EDT WEDNESDAY WHICH REPLACES A PORTION OF TORNADO WATCH 867. THE NEW WATCH IS VALID FOR THE FOLLOWING AREAS

IN FLORIDA THE NEW WATCH INCLUDES 1 COUNTY

IN EXTREME SOUTH FLORIDA

THE FLORIDA KEYS OF MONROE COUNTY

THIS INCLUDES THE COMMUNITIES OF... KEY LARGO... MARATHON... AND KEY WEST.



this is very scary weather this morning
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760. kilgores97
12:43 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting Cotillion:


The Ostrogoths actually ended the Roman Empire, not the Huns (who did cause indirect effects which led to its demise).

;)

And further to your historical inaccuracies, the 'Little Ice Age' started about a 1,000 years after the Huns.

Plus, now is supposed to be warmer than anytime in the Holocene (or at the very least, the warmest since the Mesolithic)

But hey, don't let that stop you.


And I guess the folks resigning/stepping down due to "findings based on inaccurate information" (falsified) and the fact that many of the reporting stations are located in improper places (too close to heat sources) has nothing to do with furthering the leftist agenda? Not to mention the hypocricy of the left wanting to force the green agenda down our throats when it's not viable as the ONLY source for energy while they're out living in their huge houses and driving their luxury cars/flying in personal jets (Al Gore, et al). Warming & cooling are cyclical. Not saying man hasn't added some help to it, but the scam that the left is perpetrating on us is nothing more than their way to push through the re-distribution of wealth agenda.
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759. presslord
12:42 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Dang Tropic! Great minds think alike!!!
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758. presslord
12:41 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting Cotillion:


The Ostrogoths actually ended the Roman Empire, not the Huns (who did cause indirect effects which led to its demise).

;)

And further to your historical inaccuracies, the 'Little Ice Age' started about a 1,000 years after the Huns.

Plus, now is supposed to be warmer than anytime in the Holocene (or at the very least, the warmest since the Mesolithic)

But hey, don't let that stop you.


please stop confusing people with facts...
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757. TropicTraveler
12:40 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting Cotillion:


The Ostrogoths actually ended the Roman Empire, not the Huns (who did cause indirect effects which led to its demise).

;)

And further to your historical inaccuracies, the 'Little Ice Age' started about a 1,000 years after the Huns.

Plus, now is supposed to be warmer than anytime in the Holocene (or at the very least, the warmest since the Mesolithic)

But hey, don't let that stop you.


Cotillion - you don't want to confuse this issue with facts......
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756. eddye
12:31 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
we didnt get no severe weather here in jacksonville but where my dad is i havent talken to him he in davie fl i hope he is allright and how cold is it suppose to get in jacksonville do u think we will get into the 30 and wat does the models show
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755. Cotillion
12:27 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting justsouthofnola:
man made global warming is a hoax. its nothing more than ppl making money off the sheep of this world. The Roman civilization arose when the earth was much warmer than it's been recently. And it's no coincidence that just as the earth was entering the 400-year-long "Little Ice Age," the Roman Empire was overrun by the Huns. The Egyptians also built the pyramids when it was much warmer than today, and the beginning of the industrial revolution coincided with the end of the Little Ice Age. If global warming is such a problem, doesn't it seem odd that mankind has always flourished during the earth's warmest periods?




The Ostrogoths actually ended the Roman Empire, not the Huns (who did cause indirect effects which led to its demise).

;)

And further to your historical inaccuracies, the 'Little Ice Age' started about a 1,000 years after the Huns.

Plus, now is supposed to be warmer than anytime in the Holocene (or at the very least, the warmest since the Mesolithic)

But hey, don't let that stop you.
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754. islander101010
12:13 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Quoting stoormfury:
morning
interesting area near 10N 45W. there is a 1009mb low in the same area. shear is very hostile at the moment but is expected to relax the next 36 hrs. we could well have 96L the coming days.
a couple days ago euro had an area of disturbed weather moving west in the eastern carib. might be this one really love hunter joes post useless
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753. TropicTraveler
12:04 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
Good morning everyone! Looks like a brisk night on the blog with spirited discussions in all directions at once. Can't believe that never-ending trail of big blobs coming into Florida from the Yucatan.

For those who say it's been a dull season, I can't agree - it's been extremely interesting to watch all of the different types of formations, some of which absolutely refused to die, even after being declared officially dead.

Watching to see what adventure today will bring.

BTW, pounding rain woke me in Raleigh last night and seemed to continue for most of the night. What the heck was that all about?
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752. stoormfury
12:01 PM GMT on October 19, 2011
morning
interesting area near 10N 45W. there is a 1009mb low in the same area. shear is very hostile at the moment but is expected to relax the next 36 hrs. we could well have 96L the coming days.
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751. TropicalAnalystwx13
11:38 AM GMT on October 19, 2011
It has poured down rain here in Southeastern North Carolina all night, and is still pouring down right now...Looks like we'll get a break soon, but then it will start up again a little later.
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