Late-season Nor'easter socks Northeast U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:27 PM GMT on April 23, 2012

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Heavy snow, high winds, and torrential rains are lashing the Northeast U.S. today, thanks to a powerful late-season Nor'easter approaching New York from the south. Wind gusts of 54 mph and 58 mph were recorded last night at New York City's La Guardia Airport and Staten Island, and heavy rains of 2 - 4 inches have been common across Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Southeast New York since Sunday. The 2.45" that fell at Central Park in New York City yesterday broke the old record of 1.80" for the date set in 1969. The heavy rains are a boon for the region, which is under moderate to severe drought. The storm delayed the arrival of the space shuttle Enterprise, which was due to be flown into New York City's JFK Airport today and loaded on a barge to be shipped to the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum on the Hudson River. The flight is now scheduled for Wednesday.


Figure 1. A late-season Nor'easter takes aim at the Northeast U.S. in this satellite image taken at 9:31 am EDT 4/23/12. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Heavy snow belting PA, NY, and WV
The big story with this Nor'easter is the heavy snow falling in Western Pennsylvania, Western New York, and the higher elevations in West Virginia. Wet, heavy snow of 6 - 12 inches will be common, particularly at elevations higher than 2,000 feet. Up to a foot of snow had already fallen in the Allegany Mountains of Western Pennsylvania as of 11 am EDT this morning, and 8.5" in the mountains of New York, according to the latest NWS Storm Summary. The wet, heavy snow is falling on regions where trees have already come into leaf, thanks to the surprise "Summer in March" heat wave that brought 80° temperatures to the Northeast over a month ago. High winds will accompany today's snow, and extensive tree damage and power outages can be expected. Winds have gusted as high as 39 mph this morning in Rochester, NY. Sustained north to northeast winds blowing off of Lake Ontario are expected to rise to 40 mph later today, creating waves up to 14 feet high, causing lake shore flooding problems.

History of late season snowfalls
Wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt made a post last year on Record Late Season Snowfalls. He documents that the latest measurable snow in Buffalo, NY was 0.1" on May 20, 1907. Not including today, Buffalo has had ten calendar day snow events of an inch or more after the date of April 22nd. Recent events include May 7th, 1989 when 7.9 inches fell, and April 24th, 2005 when 1.2 inches of snow fell. In Rochester, NY, such events are slightly more common, with 18 such events of one inch of snow or greater after April 22nd. Recent events include April 25th, 1983, when 3.5 inches of snow fell, May 7th, 1989 when 10.7 inches of snow fell, and May 12th 1996, when 1.1 inches fell.

Two major Nor'easters this season: one in October, one in April
What's crazy about this Nor'easter is that it is only the second significant Nor'easter of the 2011 - 2012 snow season. The other major Nor'easter occurred October 30 - 31. It's pretty bizarre to have your only two significant Nor'easters of the season occur in October and April--and none in November, December, January, February, and March. I talked to a weather disaster expert in the insurance industry last week, who told me that NOAA's National Climatic Data Center will probably end up classifying last year's October 30 - 31 Nor'easter as 2011's fifteenth billion-dollar weather disaster.

Record April heat in Phoenix and Las Vegas
As is often the case when a major Nor'easter is affecting the Eastern U.S., the jet stream is contorted to bring a strong ridge of high pressure over the Western U.S., accompanied by record-breaking heat. Phoenix, Arizona hit 105°F yesterday, its tying its record for hottest April temperature (previous 105° April temperatures occurred on 4/20/1989 and 4/29/1992.) Las Vegas, Nevada hit 99°F yesterday, the hottest temperature on record for so early in the year, and tied for the hottest April temperature on record. The mercury climbed to a scorching 113° in Death Valley yesterday, a record for the date, and the hottest temperature measured in the U.S. so far in 2012.

Jeff Masters

Heavy snow (NumLock)
Heavy snow. Schools closed. April 23, 2012
Heavy snow
Approaching... (ibswedee)
Space Shuttles Enterprise(on left) and Discovery(on right) sit nose to nose. Enterprise will be transferred to The Intrepid Museum in NYC on Monday.
Approaching...
Garrett Co., MD (ccorbin66)
April 23, 2012
Garrett Co., MD

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300. etxwx
10:10 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting TxKeef:



I worked Ike as a catastrophic insurance adjuster and I can tell you inland damages were not "non existent".


Agreed. We went through Ike and we are located 70 miles inland...lost lots of trees and power was out for a week. Our house was okay, but damage in the area was definitely not "non-existent".
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299. hydrus
4:05 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting TxKeef:



I worked Ike as a catastrophic insurance adjuster and I can tell you inland damages were not "non existent".
Ike did damage all the way up to Ohio. ...And Kentucky took a literal beating...
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298. TxKeef
3:58 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting RuBRNded:


I worked Dolly, Gustav, and Ike as a contractor rep for FEMA in 2008. Coastal damages were minimally extensive (focused) in direct impact areas, inland damages were minimal to non existent.



I worked Ike as a catastrophic insurance adjuster and I can tell you inland damages were not "non existent".
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297. hydrus
2:55 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


That may have just been Grothar experimenting again. He has tried many forms of transportation. This is his "blast from the past" and one of his favorites:



This was his first two horse power vehicle:



We all know that Grothar does not like being in one place for too long, so he later doubled the horse power:



But, this is probably one of the UFOs you saw that Grothar may have been playing with at the time:



Now, Grothar just says, "Beam me up, Scotty.":



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I watched The Flintstones a lot. The Jetson,s occasionally, Have ridden a horse, but not a chariot, and Scotty has yet to beam me up. Grothar was here long before atoms and elementary particles existed in our universe, and obviously has a covert way of getting around..:)
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296. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:49 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting hydrus:
I have not seen the show. I have seen a couple of U.F.O,s before. It was a long time ago.


That may have just been Grothar experimenting again. He has tried many forms of transportation. This is his "blast from the past" and one of his favorites:



This was his first two horse power vehicle:



We all know that Grothar does not like being in one place for too long, so he later doubled the horse power:



But, this is probably one of the UFOs you saw that Grothar may have been playing with at the time:



Now, Grothar just says, "Beam me up, Scotty.":

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295. jeffs713
2:42 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
And he said:
Let there be a NEW BLOG.
And there was.
And it was good.
And there was much rejoicing.
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294. hydrus
2:39 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting RitaEvac:


Watch the show, and what did you see
We were 550 miles off of New York when an object approached the bow of our ship. It was nighttime, so all we saw was three red lights in the shape of a triangle. None of them blinked, they were on constantly. It was silent, and extremely fast and agile. In was so fast that when it moved from the front of the ship to the rear, it could not be seen. It was apparently observing us. I first saw it when I was just hanging outside the pilothouse, then I called the captain and one of the mates out to see if they had any idea what it was. No one knew. All I do know is that it was the fastest thing I have ever seen, could stop on a dime, and did not make a sound. I do not believe we have the technology now to make such a craft, never-mind back in 85 when we saw it. There was a U.F.O sighting in Colorado about a year ago that had a description similar to the one we saw out on the ocean.
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293. RitaEvac
2:14 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting hydrus:
I have not seen the show. I have seen a couple of U.F.O,s before. It was a long time ago.


Watch the show, and what did you see
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292. hydrus
1:57 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting RitaEvac:


There's only 2 that are legit to me, the one stopping and going back and the red light figure, and the tank dump where the thing seems to follow the movement of the tank falling back to earth.
I have not seen the show. I have seen a couple of U.F.O,s before. It was a long time ago.
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291. StormTracker2K
1:56 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting ncstorm:
NOGAPs has it too..wait and see



You beat me to it!
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290. StormTracker2K
1:56 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting Skyepony:


I'm not real hopeful, but tossing in such a persistent swirl is worth noting. GFS doesn't include it. Looking at what 91L remains have endured & how it's dived SE as that front approached I can see siding with ECMWF, though it still needs to get past that front.


Yeah I just ran the NOGAPS as it shows 91L wraping and the Atlantic ridge and swinging up the east coast of FL as it combines with a weak ULL over the SE Gulf. Very interesting!

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289. ncstorm
1:53 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
NOGAPs has it too..wait and see

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288. ncstorm
1:48 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting Skyepony:


CMC looks to take a bit of the remains of 91L & toss it in there..


the CMC and Euro were really good with the storm from this weekend..looks like are trying to go two for two
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287. RitaEvac
1:48 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting hydrus:
This should be very interesting..


There's only 2 that are legit to me, the one stopping and going back and the red light figure, and the tank dump where the thing seems to follow the movement of the tank falling back to earth.
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286. Patrap
1:46 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Full Disclosure is imminent.
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285. hydrus
1:44 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting RitaEvac:
Watched this last night on science channel.


NASA's Unexplained Files

Countless mysterious objects have been caught by NASA's cameras. Many astronauts have even reported seeing unidentified flying objects. In this special, we'll reveal NASA's top ten unexplained encounters using original footage and groundbreaking interviews with astronauts and scientists. Can these phenomena be explained away through science and detective work? Or have NASA's cameras potentially captured the first traces of extraterrestrial life?

This should be very interesting..
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284. RitaEvac
1:23 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


Lol....I forgot about the red light.... :)


The object that stops and goes back and then something shoots past it is awesome, and the red light is crazy. Red light was moving and they captured it
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283. weathermanwannabe
1:21 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting RitaEvac:


That one and the red light


Lol....I forgot about the red light.... :)
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282. GeorgiaStormz
1:20 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
another late frost in N GA, but i dont think it will do any harm though.
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281. RitaEvac
1:18 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting weathermanwannabe:
278. RitaEvac 9:02 AM EDT on April 24, 2012

I caught that show last week and have seen a lot of the NASA footage. A lot of it looks like out of focus ice particles floating out there in space with the exception of some footage of objects shooting in towards the atmosphere then executing a hard 90 degree turn taken during one of the early Shuttle missions........I am stumped by those.


That one and the red light
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280. Skyepony (Mod)
1:14 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting StormTracker2K:


Interesting however I won't get my hopes up as the GFS doesn't show this scenario but instead shows a gradual increase in moisture leading to a 20 to 30 percent chance of rain. I think it's Odd the HPC folks are siding with the Euro on this one. Well see.


I'm not real hopeful, but tossing in such a persistent swirl is worth noting. GFS doesn't include it. Looking at what 91L remains have endured & how it's dived SE as that front approached I can see siding with ECMWF, though it still needs to get past that front.
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279. weathermanwannabe
1:13 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
278. RitaEvac 9:02 AM EDT on April 24, 2012

I caught that show last week and have seen a lot of the NASA footage. A lot of it looks like out of focus ice particles floating out there in space with the exception of some footage of objects shooting in towards the atmosphere then executing a hard 90 degree turn taken during one of the early Shuttle missions........I am stumped by those.
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278. RitaEvac
1:02 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Watched this last night on science channel.


NASA's Unexplained Files

Countless mysterious objects have been caught by NASA's cameras. Many astronauts have even reported seeing unidentified flying objects. In this special, we'll reveal NASA's top ten unexplained encounters using original footage and groundbreaking interviews with astronauts and scientists. Can these phenomena be explained away through science and detective work? Or have NASA's cameras potentially captured the first traces of extraterrestrial life?

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277. weathermanwannabe
12:56 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Good Morning. Taking a look at the Northern Hemisphere composite water vapor loop and all clear for the Conus and the Atlantic Basin. Beautiful Spring morning in many parts of the US. Nice to see things this quiet severe weather wise for a change.....Now waiting on the Summer heat wave in late April.........
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276. RTSplayer
12:44 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
So far, this is the tally from yesterday.

High Temp: 144
Low Temp: 3
Low Max Temp: 41
High Min Temp: 43

The 3 lows are all ties, while a quick scan of the 144 highs finds several breaks of 5 to 7 degrees from Texas to the Pacific Northwest state.

High mins and low maxes seem about balanced for the average size of the breaks, with probably a slight edge to high mins.
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275. StormTracker2K
12:40 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
This could be a season of very few CV systems but lots of homegrown mischiefs.

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274. AtHomeInTX
12:40 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting StormTracker2K:
It was a cold 49 here in Orlando this morning. Coldest in 6 weeks but it's supposed to be 89 by Thursday so will likely be the last cool blast until Late October or November.


I was just thinking the same about this mornings temps here. Good Ol' return flow starts back tomorrow. Good morning all. :)

Orange County Airport
Lat: 30.07 Lon: -93.8 Elev: 13


Fair

48 °F
(9 °C)
Humidity: 100 %
Wind Speed: Calm
Barometer: 30.08"
Dewpoint: 48 °F (9 °C)
Visibility: 7.00 m
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273. StormTracker2K
12:38 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
GFS has been persistantly showing the MJO hanging around the Caribbean, S America, and E-Pac for several weeks now and it appears it doesn't want to leave. This has been the key limiting factor for FL and the Caribbean the last couple of years and that's upward motion and sufficient instability to get thunderstorms going or should I say daily thunderstorms going. If this trend continues then we could most definitely see an early season system in the Caribbean.

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272. Neapolitan
12:26 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting percylives:
Last week it appeared that things had returned to some sort of normalcy in the temperature and time of the year agreement. But nope, that isn't the case.

According to HAMweather's site in the past week 30 low temperature records were tied or beaten while 529 high temperature records did the same in the US. At least on the home front the weather still seems to be trending toward a warmer climate.

Nature is going to do what she's going to do. She's not paying any attention to what either side of the human spat is saying. Best thing we can do is not aggravate her.

I guess that's one reason she's called "Mother Nature".
Yeah, record lows are running slightly behind record highs for the year-to-date. ;-)

Warm

Last night's numbers aren't included yet, and there were probably quite a few low temperature records broken. But many of yesterday's highs out west aren't yet included, either.

(FWIW, we are now entering the 17th week of 2012. 16 of those weeks have seen more record highs than record lows; just one week--February 12-18--had more lows than highs.)
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271. GeoffreyWPB
12:23 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Miami NWS Discussion

GOING INTO THE WEEKEND THE
EXTENDED GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT A BROAD UPPER LEVEL TROUGH NEAR THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA COULD INFLUENCE SOUTH FLORIDA AS SOUTHEASTERLY LOW
LEVEL FLOW COULD BRING SOME MOISTURE AND CLOUDINESS INTO THE
REGION. THIS TREND COULD CONTINUE SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY...BUT FOR
NOW JUST INTRODUCING A SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND WILL HAVE TO
WAIT AND SEE IF THE GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO BE PERSISTENT WITH THIS
SCENARIO BEFORE INDICATING ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIGHT CHANCE OF
PRECIP.

AS HIGH PRESSURE AND A MORE NORTHERLY FLOW ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE
REGION TONIGHT...TEMPERATURES WILL CERTAINLY BE UNSEASONABLY COOL.
THE MINIMUM TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE PENINSULA EARLY WEDNESDAY
MORNING ARE FORECAST TO RANGE FROM THE LOWER TO MID 50S ACROSS THE
PALM BEACH METRO AREAS...FROM THE MID 50S TO UPPER 50S FR THE
MIAMI DADE AND BROWARD COUNTY METRO AREAS TO THE LOWER 50S ACROSS
THE NAPLES METRO AREAS. THESE FORECAST TEMPERATURES ARE IN GENERAL
A FEW DEGREES ABOVE RECORD LEVELS FOR THAT DATE BUT A FEW ISOLATED
LOCATIONS COULD REACH NEAR RECORD MINIMUM TEMPERATURES. THEN A
SLOWLY GRADUAL WARMING TREND IS EXPECTED THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF
THE WORK WEEK.
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270. StormTracker2K
12:22 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting Skyepony:


CMC looks to take a bit of the remains of 91L & toss it in there..


Interesting however I won't get my hopes up as the GFS doesn't show this scenario but instead shows a gradual increase in moisture leading to a 20 to 30 percent chance of rain. I think it's Odd the HPC folks are siding with the Euro on this one. Well see.
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269. StormTracker2K
12:17 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
It was a cold 49 here in Orlando this morning. Coldest in 6 weeks but it's supposed to be 89 by Thursday so will likely be the last cool blast until Late October or November.
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268. Skyepony (Mod)
12:16 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting StormTracker2K:
Interesting that the HPC is siding with the Euro model in bringing some tropical moisture up into FL this weekend.



CMC looks to take a bit of the remains of 91L & toss it in there..
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267. weatherh98
12:16 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting aislinnpaps:
Good Morning all. I thought I'd be drinking my coffee on the back deck all Spring Break, however it's a whole 48 degrees here in my part of Louisiana. I'm sitting on my couch instead. But it has been very nice to do the yard and garden work with temps in the upper 60s to lower 70s.

Everyone have a great Tuesday.


It was 48 here in mandeville also....
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266. aislinnpaps
12:13 PM GMT on April 24, 2012
Good Morning all. I thought I'd be drinking my coffee on the back deck all Spring Break, however it's a whole 48 degrees here in my part of Louisiana. I'm sitting on my couch instead. But it has been very nice to do the yard and garden work with temps in the upper 60s to lower 70s.

Everyone have a great Tuesday.
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265. weatherh98
11:56 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

It'd be a weak/moderate tropical storm typically. However, pressure varies with tropical cyclones primarily due to its origins and environment. Alex was a monsoonal-type tropical cyclone like we see in the West Pacific. It had Category 2 winds (110 mph) but had a Category 4 pressure (946 mbar).


Doesn't it also vary with size?
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264. StormTracker2K
11:52 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Interesting that the HPC is siding with the Euro model in bringing some tropical moisture up into FL this weekend.

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263. TropicalAnalystwx13
11:46 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
As I stated last night, today is the two-year anniversary of the EF4 Yazoo City, MS tornado that killed four people, injured many more, and caused extensive damage across the city.

It was Mississippi's worst disaster since Hurricane Katrina...which would soon be surpassed by the outbreaks of 2011.


Image. High resolution radar imagery of the Yazoo City supercell as a violent, wedge tornado moved through the city. Notice the area of intense dBZ reflection just south of the city; that is a debris ball.
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262. TropicalAnalystwx13
11:33 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting weatherh98:


IF this run were to happen wouldn't that be on or slightly below cane status, it's at 997 mb anyway.

It'd be a weak/moderate tropical storm typically. However, pressure varies with tropical cyclones primarily due to its origins and environment. Alex was a monsoonal-type tropical cyclone like we see in the West Pacific. It had Category 2 winds (110 mph) but had a Category 4 pressure (946 mbar).
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261. weatherh98
11:27 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

It's been there since the 18Z.



IF this run were to happen wouldn't that be on or slightly below cane status, it's at 997 mb anyway.
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260. weatherh98
11:23 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Good morning all!

Must resist pitical argument!

Isnt there a heat wave out west moving to the east?? I'm tired of these 50's its way to late for this
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259. TropicalAnalystwx13
11:21 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Good morning everyone... The 0z GFS has a nice TS in the east pac at 324 hours... Probably won't verify but just another sign that it's almost here...

It's been there since the 18Z.

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258. percylives
10:47 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Last week it appeared that things had returned to some sort of normalcy in the temperature and time of the year agreement. But nope, that isn't the case.

According to HAMweather's site in the past week 30 low temperature records were tied or beaten while 529 high temperature records did the same in the US. At least on the home front the weather still seems to be trending toward a warmer climate.

Nature is going to do what she's going to do. She's not paying any attention to what either side of the human spat is saying. Best thing we can do is not aggravate her.

I guess that's one reason she's called "Mother Nature".
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257. MAweatherboy1
10:46 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Good morning everyone... The 0z GFS has a nice TS in the east pac at 324 hours... Probably won't verify but just another sign that it's almost here...
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256. MahFL
10:37 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting JNCali:
This makes me sad! China, Russia, India as well as the private sector are all investing in continued space exploration.. I think maybe the insurance was too high for NASA, especially after Columbia?!


We just came out of a recession, and have an expensive war in Afghanistan to fund. GW Bush had a lavish idea of Constellation, but as with everything he screwed up, by not sorting out the $$$ for the project.
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255. LargoFl
10:35 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
good morning folks, cool and clear this morning, looks like the wind has died down some, yesterday was amazing with the wind gusts up over 30 mph...have a great day everyone.......................................... ........
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254. bappit
5:46 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Interesting article on curiosity that may apply to WUBA's.

Why We Are Drawn to Fire

"Unlike a spider that inherently knows how to weave a web, humans don't instinctively know how to produce and control fire. The ability must be learned during childhood. This may be because there was no universal method of fire building and control among our ancestors, who lived in diverse environments, and so there was no single method for evolution to ingrain in us. Instead, "fire learning" became the instinct. As Fessler put it in an article in the Journal of Cognition and Culture, "The only avenue open to selection processes operating on a species as wide-ranging as ourselves was to rely on learning for the acquisition of the requisite behaviors." [Top 10 Inventions that Changed the World]

"Children are universally fascinated by predatory animals in a similar manner in which they are fascinated by fire. Because both could seriously harm or kill them, evolution requires that they be interested in those subjects, Fessler argues, as a way of ensuring that they pay special attention to information obtained about them. For example, children are naturally curious about which animals are dangerous and which aren't, as well as which materials are flammable and which aren't, and what the consequences are of adding, removing and rearranging objects in a fire. Our brains soak up this predator and fire knowledge."

Knowledge of disasters of all kinds would be as important to the survival of a species as would knowledge of predators or fire. So us WUBA's could be acting on instinctive impulses when we follow disasters--we follow just about any kind of natural disaster and even man-made ones (global warming, nuclear meltdowns).
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253. KoritheMan
5:37 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting RuBRNded:


inland damages were minimal to non existent.


No they weren't. I went through Gustav.
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252. OracleDeAtlantis
5:34 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
On Sunday we celebrated a life in the day of the earth, but the cake made by men is so large that blowing out the candles is considered too risky.

Most of the party goers said, "let them burn all the way down first, then we can safely have our cake."

"Eating it too," is the name of this forecast.







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251. hydrus
4:52 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Quoting OracleDeAtlantis:
Nice post deserves a bump.

Only a fool would assume that you can take roughly half the carbon out of the earth's crust, throw it into the atmosphere, and not get some kind of reaction.

The question then becomes, is it a negative reaction for 7 billion souls on board? That's still hard to say for sure, because humans seem to thrive on earth when it's especially warm. But how warm until the process reverses itself?

With 7 billion mouths to feed in a nuclear age, we haven't a clue what we will do if a fight breaks out over rapidly diminishing resources.

Mutually assured destruction is meaningless if it is guaranteed by other means.
More than 100 million people have died in the past century at the hands of fellow humans due to wars and other conflicts. This is more than all nature disasters combined excluding famine, and even then people still poison the land, rivers, lakes and oceans that we get get food and drinking water from while people starve to death. They pollute the air we breath, and sometimes feel justified to kill each another because we dont have the same beliefs. It is almost inconceivable for me to believe that we as humans will overcome greed and the insatiable appetite for power to benefit the human race as a whole. I do believe that we will pull through, but it will come at a price. It is a real possibility that our destiny will be determined by conscience.
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250. Skyepony (Mod)
4:32 AM GMT on April 24, 2012
Yesterday's explosion was verified as a meteor.

A fiery meteor created a thundering explosion and traced a rare daylight fireball seen for about 600 miles across Nevada and California on Sunday, before apparently breaking up harmlessly at high altitude, astronomers said. NASA researchers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory said the midair explosion, centered over California's Central Valley east of the San Francisco Bay area, was the equivalent of the detonation of about 3.8 kilotons of TNT%u2014about one quarter the energy released by the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, in 1945. "The meteor was probably about the size of an SUV," said Donald Yeomans, manager of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at the laboratory, in Pasadena, Calif. "This was a big one. An event of this size might happen about once a year, but most of them occur over the ocean or an uninhabited area." There were no reports Monday that any fragments of the object had reached the ground or caused any damage. No major telescope in the region tracked the early-morning fireball. NASA astronomers said the explosion might have been five to 10 miles high, which was high enough to let the sound spread widely.
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