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TD 7 dies; 93L little threat to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:55 PM GMT on August 11, 2012 +32
Tropical Depression Seven is dead, ripped apart by moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots this Saturday morning. The storm was too small and fragile to survive the shear, thanks to dry air from the Sahara that had infiltrated the storm environment. None of the reliable models forecasts that TD 7 will regenerate as it tracks westwards across the Caribbean over the next four days. The remains of the storm should arrive in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the remnants of TD 7.

93L
A large tropical wave(Invest 93L) is located in the Eastern Atlantic about 300 miles northwest of the Cape Verde Islands. Satellite loops show a pronounced spin to the atmosphere at mid levels, but little in the way of heavy thunderstorm activity. The latest Saharan Air Layer Analysis from the University of Wisconsin shows that there is a large area of dry air from the Sahara surrounding 93L, which has infiltrated into the storm. This dry air will be a significant impediment to development during the coming week, as the 8 am EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts dryness at mid-levels of the atmosphere will increase during the next five days. None of the reliable computer models develop 93L during the coming seven days, and the storm is expected to move west-northwest and then north, recurving well to the east of Bermuda. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 93L a 20% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Monday morning.

I'll have a new post on Sunday.

Jeff Masters
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1051. KoritheMan 4:25 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting xtremeweathertracker:
00Z GFS is being consistant,,,,closed low in the central GOM in 162 HRS


Interesting.
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1052. Clearwater1 4:26 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting tennisgirl08:


So, could be a storm in the Gulf by next weekend?

Are we thinking this could be exTD7?
If you follow he 0z gfs run, it looks as though xtd7 makes it's way into the gulf and forms some sort of storm. The run is at 165 hours now. Last 18z run formed a ts at 180hours
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1053. DDR 4:26 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
A second round of feeder band activity is begining to take shape over Trinidad after this morning's deadly rains that devastated north western areas.
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1054. scott39 4:28 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Oh yea, never underestimate how low a sick, pathetic waste of human skin and oxygen....loser troll can go!
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1055. wunderkidcayman 4:28 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Gearsts:
COC is gona get expose soon.
I don't think so I think convection will build all over the area plus I think multiple LLCOC forms untill a strong decent one forms
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1056. BahaHurican 4:29 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Clearwater1:
If you follow he 0z gfs run, it looks as though xtd7 makes its way into the gulf and forms some sort of storm. The run is at 165 hours now. Last 18z run formed a ts at 180hours
What about the "major" approaching the Antilles at 240+ hours?
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1057. sunlinepr 4:29 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Curiosity Crater valley looks like earth...

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1058. GTcooliebai 4:30 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Gordon, Helene, & Isaac 180 hrs. GFS:

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1059. SLU 4:30 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting DDR:
A second round of feeder band activity is begining to take shape over Trinidad after this morning's deadly rains that devastated north western areas.


Yes i was keeping my fingers crossed that won't happen but it seems the tail of ex-TD 7 could lash the island tonight.
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1060. Clearwater1 4:32 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Yep, 2 gfs model runs in a row and a system in the gulf flares up at 180 hours. NOw let's see where it has it going this time.
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1061. BahaHurican 4:32 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Ernesto-Hector in the EPac... at least he's not a cross-dresser...

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1062. sunlinepr 4:33 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
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1063. BahaHurican 4:34 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Looks like Guadaloupe, Dominica, and Martinique are getting the worst of it for now...

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1064. GTcooliebai 4:34 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
204 hrs. Debby part II:

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1065. STXHurricanes2012 4:35 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Gearsts:
COC is gona get expose soon.

It isn't a tropical cyclone so you don't have worry now lol
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1066. Clearwater1 4:36 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
What about the "major" approaching the Antilles at 240+ hours?
The 00z gfs is only up to 189 at the moment. and no major in site
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1067. MeteorodelGolfo 4:37 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ecmwf-opertc2.cgi?ti me=2012081112&field=850mb+Vorticity&hour=Animation
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1068. tennisgirl08 4:39 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Clearwater1:
Yep, 2 gfs model runs in a row and a system in the gulf flares up at 180 hours. NOw let's see where it has it going this time.


Model consistency only a week out does grab my attention.
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1069. Clearwater1 4:39 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
204 hrs. Debby part II:

Exactly. The high pressure is even near the same position as with Debby. . . and pushes it across FL. Of course that is 7 days out. But then again, it is the GFS
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1070. wunderkidcayman 4:40 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
convection starting to pop on the W side of the islands now and that blob to the E of the islands is now reaching across the island into the E carib sea
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1071. GTcooliebai 4:40 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
The GFS is showing some funky Ridge pattern with the system in the North Atlantic looping back around:

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1072. CybrTeddy 4:41 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
It seems to me that we are about to enter an active phase in tropical activity. The Madden-Julian Oscillation phase is aimed to come back in our basin, that will provide more upward motion over our basin. True, El Nino will cause trade winds in the Caribbean but I suspect storms this year will go north of the Caribbean pull an Ernesto through the Caribbean. This isn't a normal El Nino year with activity. True, 3 of our named storms where of non-tropical development but I view this as a bad reason to discount seasonal activity as a whole (think of 2011), they where still tropical cyclones and one of them managed to hit Hurricane status. The CSU, TSR, and NOAA all recognize this fact and have raised their seasonal predictions. This active El Nino year is due to the anomalous warm winter we experienced IMO, that leads to increased and above average amount of TCHP. This is something 2009 did not have.




Anyways, the GFS is showing many tropical waves with the chance to develop - ex-TD7 developing in the Gulf thanks to a weakness in the ridge, 93L managing to develop into a Tropical Storm and several more tropical waves developing off the coast of Africa. El Nino is never a guaranteed season killer until October, right now we're heading right for the peak. Everything is telling me that we're facing a good chance of several Cape Verde systems by the end of August. We're not entering a quite phase by any means - we're entering the real and dangerous part of Hurricane season.

One thing though is that a -NAO phase will be dominate over the Atlantic, leading to a weaker yet more southern A/B high, that will allow the chance for re-curvature, but in the event that timing is against us - troughs not arriving on time there is a chance that well.. we could be in for some interesting times ahead. I have that feeling I did before Irene happened that something bad might happen, I just can't see us going an incredible 7 years without a major landfall (if you really honestly believe that Ike wasn't a major hurricane.}

In short, watch TD-7 as there is a small chance that the trough will be able to pull the system towards the Gulf and we could see it become a weak TS, but I doubt anything more. 93L also bares watching as well to become a threat down range. We're at 6-2-0, very impressive numbers for mid-August and the ride has just begun.

It only takes one. Timing is key, we stress this cliche fact again and again because it is true.

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1073. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:41 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Ernesto-Hector in the EPac... at least he's not a cross-dresser...



not that there is anything wrong with that


lol
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1074. BahaHurican 4:43 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
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1075. Clearwater1 4:44 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting tennisgirl08:


Model consistency only a week out does grab my attention.
The model run is now complete and shows a ts crossing central Fl in about 7 days. Basically the same as 18z run, only a little further south.
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1076. GTcooliebai 4:45 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
CyberTeddy as always a very detailed and coherent analysis.
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1077. wunderkidcayman 4:46 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
I think a much better LLCOC is developing where the convection is starting to pop and is backed up by 850mb vort I'd put it somewhere around 13N-14N 62W-63W
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1078. CybrTeddy 4:47 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
CyberTeddy as always a very detailed and coherent analysis.


Thanks! I try not to get jumbled into the many technicalities of forecasting and just try to give basic understanding to people who are new here.
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1079. sunlinepr 4:47 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Will that ULL coming from the NNE of 07L merge with it? Or take the convection away?



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1080. KoritheMan 4:47 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    

Quoting CybrTeddy:

I just can't see us going an incredible 7 years without a major landfall (if you really honestly believe that Ike wasn't a major hurricane.}

I was talking to my brother about this yesterday. There were a total of 7 major hurricane landfalls in the lower 48 in 2004-2005 alone. If you were to spread those numbers over subsequent years to present, the overall trend does not seem all that unusual. In fact, 7 majors in 7 years is still above the long-term average.
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1082. GTcooliebai 4:51 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
384 hrs. notice the pattern and the first wave gives us a hint of where it might be heading count them 4 systems total and a Cape Verde storm:

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1083. Abacosurf 4:53 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:
Will that ULL coming from the NNE of 07L merge with it? Or take the convection away?



Great outflow channel!

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1084. HuracanTaino 4:54 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
I know they say there is not a close low, and this and that, but for me these Island are experienced tropical storm conditions, without any accurate information, I wonder what's going on the surface...I know is not a TD anymore, but it certainly looks like a very healthy one !!!
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1085. wunderkidcayman 4:54 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:
Will that ULL coming from the NNE of 07L merge with it? Or take the convection away?





niether

there is curently a upper level anticyclone on EX-TD 7 lower half moving WNW upper level shear becoming favorable because of this the shear accociated with the ULL in the atlantic is moving WNW-NNW out of its way so no I don't think it will merge and no I do not think it will take convection away but maybe help out flow
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1086. GTcooliebai 4:55 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Well lets see if the Euro and Canadian will jump on board with the prospects of a Gulf storm.
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1087. KoritheMan 4:57 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    

Quoting GTcooliebai:
Well lets see if the Euro and Canadian will jump on board with the prospects of a Gulf storm.
For the sake of my long-awaited chase, I hope they do.

Oh um, I mean... *whistles*
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1088. Saltydogbwi1 4:57 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
light winds in martinique out of the SW 11km/h and winds out of the NE in Dominica 32km/h
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1089. GTcooliebai 4:57 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Ernesto-Hector in the EPac... at least he's not a cross-dresser...

HA neither was Joan-Miriam or Irene-Olivia.
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1090. BahaHurican 4:59 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:

For the sake of my long-awaited chase, I hope they do.

Oh um, I mean... *whistles*
CMC had something going before everybody else...
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1091. JLPR2 4:59 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
The wave at the coast of Africa is exhibiting the same sort of clockwise rotation that TD 7 showed a few days ago.

Either a freaky coincidence in the movement of clouds or the anticyclone above it is really strong providing such awesome ventilation that it seems to be spinning the wrong way...

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1092. AtHomeInTX 5:01 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:

For the sake of my long-awaited chase, I hope they do.

Oh um, I mean... *whistles*


For the sake of everyone's sanity lets hope they don't send it to Texas! Lol.
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1093. GTcooliebai 5:03 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
List of Atlantic-Pacific crossovers. No cross genders here.
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1094. CybrTeddy 5:03 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:

I was talking to my brother about this yesterday. There were a total of 7 major hurricane landfalls in the lower 48 in 2004-2005 alone. If you were to spread those numbers over subsequent years to present, the overall trend does not seem all that unusual. In fact, 7 majors in 7 years is still above the long-term average.


True, but we've really been seeing Central America get hammered with storms for over half a decade now, while sheltering into a false sense of security that 2004-2005 is all we're ever going to get. A lot of those countries are very poor that have been slammed and really have gotten a cold shoulder in the media. At least in America, we are able to avoid minimum loss of life with organized evacuations, even though I would much, much rather a storm go away from land period. Property can be repaired, but lives cannot be brought back and we're all human.
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1095. wunderkidcayman 5:04 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting JLPR2:
The wave at the coast of Africa is exhibiting the same sort of clockwise rotation that TD 7 showed a few days ago.

Either a freaky coincidence in the movement of clouds or the anticyclone above it is really strong providing such awesome ventilation that it seems to be spinning the wrong way...


hmm maybe that wave stuck to long too clost to the equater probable thinks it in the S Hem.
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1096. DDR 5:04 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting SLU:


Yes i was keeping my fingers crossed that won't happen but it seems the tail of ex-TD 7 could lash the island tonight.

This usually happens,but on saturated grounds nothing good can come out of this rain.
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1097. Tribucanes 5:05 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
CyberTeddy is right on. Season is going to explode, still a 70/30 chance of a major making landfall imo. Still seeing an invest declared off the east coast of Florida tomorrow. TD-07 may be back in the game. 30-50% chance of re-development if conditions continue as is tonight.
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1098. GTcooliebai 5:06 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


For the sake of everyone's sanity lets hope they don't send it to Texas! Lol.
Well to be fair, Texas on up to the Central parts of the US could use the rain, so a Tropical Storm wouldn't be that bad, unless it sat there for days.
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1099. JLPR2 5:07 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

hmm maybe that wave stuck to long too clost to the equater probable thinks it in the S Hem.


XD

Actually coming off fairly north around 15N. Will be interesting to see if it tries to develop.
Although the GFS seems to think it will die in SAL, moistening the environment for the next one.
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1100. tennisgirl08 5:07 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
CyberTeddy - very nice analysis. Is there any reason why you think the remnants of exTD7 will only produce a TS in the Gulf? Not stronger?

The SSTs are STEAMING right now in the Gulf and shear hasn't been a problem.
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1101. AtHomeInTX 5:08 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Well to be fair, Texas on up to the Central parts of the US could use the rain, so a Tropical Storm wouldn't be that bad, unless it sat there for days.


Oh yeah I know. Not wishing a storm on anybody else. And a well placed tropical storm could do some good. I was just talking about the whole Debby model battle. :)
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