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Remains of TD 7 kill two in Trinidad; 93L too dry to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:31 PM GMT on August 12, 2012 +35
The remains of Tropical Depression Seven brought heavy rains to Trinidad on Saturday, unleashing flooding and mudslides that killed two people and left two others missing in Diego Martin. The storm is headed westward at 20 mph across the Caribbean, but high wind shear of 15 - 25 knots should prevent the system from regenerating. None of the reliable models forecasts that TD 7 will regenerate, and the storm should arrive in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave ex-TD 7 a 10% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Tuesday morning.


Figure 1. An analysis of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) from 8 am EDT August 12, 2012. Very dry air from the Sahara (yellow and orange colors) surrounds the tropical wave designated 93L in the Central Atlantic. Image credit: University of Wisconsin CIMSS and NOAA/Hurricane Research Division.

93L
A large tropical wave(Invest 93L) is located in the Central Atlantic about 700 miles west-northwest of the Cape Verde Islands. Satellite loops show a pronounced spin to the atmosphere at mid levels, but little in the way of heavy thunderstorm activity. The latest Saharan Air Layer Analysis from the University of Wisconsin shows that 93L is surrounded by a large area of dry air from the Sahara, which has infiltrated into the storm. This dry air will be a significant impediment to development, as the 8 am EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts that mid-levels of the atmosphere will remain very dry during the next four days. None of the reliable computer models develop 93L during the coming five days, and the storm is expected to move west-northwest and then north, recurving well to the east of Bermuda. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 93L a 10% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Tuesday morning. The GFS model is predicting 93L will develop into a tropical depression in about a week, once the storm recurves and begins heading northeast. At this point, it does not appear 93L will trouble any land areas.

I'll have a new post on Monday.

Jeff Masters
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401. BahaHurican 9:12 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting GPTGUY:



You lose..If I recall you said regeneration would occur south of Puerto Rico? well it's still a tropical wave the NHC gives it only a 10% chance of redevelopment and looking at WV loops dry air is all over the central caribbean and it still looks to be getting sheared a bit as cloud tops seem to be blowing NE...if ANY regeneration occurs it would be in the NW caribbean or southern GOM. I admire your persistance though
Actually he has been saying closer to JA for quite a while... and NOT talking about it regenerating S of PR...

400. BahaHurican 5:09 PM EDT on August 12, 2012
This is getting to be redikilus...
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402. SAINTHURRIFAN 9:13 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Good baha just have little time to post on a blog.Two kids with activities,full time job and 21 acres of grass to mow and keep up weekly.Wish i had the time to spend daily on the blog like a lot of these posters, lol.I guess thier mostly teens.You know though when I was thier age chasing bikinis and fishing.Times change.By the way going on a cruise to Nassau,st Marten And ST.Thomas in December.I lost the trip plan I wanted to go to Niagra Falls.Beaches sand and water get old lol.When I retire thank I will move to Alaska and I assure you I will spend no time on a computer.UGGH guess I am sick of summers here and heat lol.Anyway BaHa God Bless and good day.
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403. aquak9 9:19 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
thank you bluestorm5-
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404. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:20 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
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405. CosmicEvents 9:21 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

I knew it lol I tell you it happens to me alot eveyone call a system dead or doing something I see it doing else I strongly think it will I having to be persistent everyone says I'm hypecasting or wishcasting with what I am saying and the bam it does it and I win hmm well I guess it one more for my leaderboard lol
Don't start doing a victory dance quite yet.
It's been declared dead with a 10% chance of digging it's way up through 6 ft.
It's still nothing more than a zombie wave under hostile conditions.
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406. stormpetrol 9:21 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    


1009.4mb
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407. wunderkidcayman 9:23 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting GPTGUY:



You lose..If I recall you said regeneration would occur south of Puerto Rico? well it's still a tropical wave the NHC gives it only a 10% chance of redevelopment and looking at WV loops dry air is all over the central caribbean and it still looks to be getting sheared a bit as cloud tops seem to be blowing NE...if ANY regeneration occurs it would be in the NW caribbean or southern GOM. I admire your persistance though

well well well here we go again
late last night and this morning and today I said it will start to make a comeback and start up near 71W-73W
yes NHC give it 10% now or (at 2pm today)

looking at WV dry air is dying out infront of the system and it is not getting sheared as much as it been since it was degenerated till mid-morning this morning yes there is still a bit of shear but I would not say there is enought to stop redevelopment the shear that is there now is more like helping with outflow so thats why you see the NE shearing look

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408. GTcooliebai 9:23 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Jedkins01:


Unfortunately we are stuck in a pattern that means lots of heavy rain for everyone except the near coastline in most cases, I'm one of those places that is near the coastline. I've never had this little amount of rain at this point in August, it's so weird because we got absolutely slammed throughout June and July and ever since I've lived here you can count on August bringing even more than June and July. The patterns for rain throughout all of August so far have not favored this area, and it seems that when rain is around is it is avoiding us at all costs. I'm just glad we did have so much rain in June and July because this area is typically soaked in August but strangely not so far. I would imagine this strange trend has to end sooner or later.
I hate to say it, but could be a sign of something big down the road, if you think this pattern is abnormal.
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409. stormpetrol 9:24 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Wind Direction (WDIR): ENE ( 60 deg true )
Wind Speed (WSPD): 13.6 kts
Wind Gust (GST): 17.5 kts
Wave Height (WVHT): 5.9 ft
Dominant Wave Period (DPD): 8 sec
Average Period (APD): 5.6 sec
Mean Wave Direction (MWD): ENE ( 75 deg true )
Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.81 in
Pressure Tendency (PTDY): -0.05 in ( Falling )
Air Temperature (ATMP): 82.6 °F
Water Temperature (WTMP): 82.4 °F
Dew Point (DEWP): 75.7 °F
Heat Index (HEAT): 90.1 °F
Wind Speed at 10 meters (WSPD10M): 15.5 kts
Wind Speed at 20 meters (WSPD20M): 15.5 kts
Combined plot of Wind Speed, Gust, and Air Pressure
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411. TropicalAnalystwx13 9:27 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting lovemamatus:
I see this on the same track as Camille....who only had 60 mph winds when it brushed Cuba. You put a persistant tropical storm in that area, and Wednesday night you will see explosive development.

Flo will be a major in the Gulf. Everyone should cancel their plans for next weekend, because we will have on hands full.

Screencapped for future reference.
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412. java162 9:27 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    



Link


lots of rain overnight from the remnants of td7 causing quite a bit of damage on the island of Dominica. landslides, flooding and wind damage to crops on the east coast of the island.

and by the looks of this radar, there is more rain1 to come

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413. stormpetrol 9:27 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Ex-TD7 is going become Gordon in the western Caribbean, it is organizing once again. BTW someone just found a good friend of the family dead on board of his boat, so I'll probably be out for the evening, don't feel like commenting too much this evening!
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414. GPTGUY 9:29 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Actually he has been saying closer to JA for quite a while... and NOT talking about it regenerating S of PR...

400. BahaHurican 5:09 PM EDT on August 12, 2012
This is getting to be redikilus...



here ya go baha:

596. wunderkidcayman 6:40 PM CDT on August 11, 2012 +0
I think that for EX-TD 7 will or should I say could really get restarted once it hits the 65-66W line
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415. GTcooliebai 9:29 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Ex-TD 7 holding its own, despite the dry air:

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416. kmanislander 9:29 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Chicklit:
Hi Kman, rooting for this one, especially after seeing how Ernesto just managed to dump rain.
Today I am tired of at least one of several computer models being right. According to the experts, none of them are developing the T-wave formerly known as 7.


Hi there, took a break to watch the PGA Championship.

Looks like the wave is fanning out some but the TUTT that is retrograding to the West is still throwing up high shear values ahead of it.

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417. wunderkidcayman 9:30 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Actually he has been saying closer to JA for quite a while... and NOT talking about it regenerating S of PR...

400. BahaHurican 5:09 PM EDT on August 12, 2012
This is getting to be redikilus...

thank you

Quoting CosmicEvents:
Don't start doing a victory dance quite yet.
It's been declared dead with a 10% chance of digging it's way up through 6 ft.
It's still nothing more than a zombie wave under hostile conditions.


no not dancing yet yes I know its been decleared dead and has 10% chance of redevelopment at 2pm today but conditions are not as hostile as before and is getting better and better and it may still be a zombie wave but it is starting to show life

Quoting stormpetrol:


1009.4mb
hmm odd anyway what ever
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418. STXHurricanes2012 9:31 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting lovemamatus:
I see this on the same track as Camille....who only had 60 mph winds when it brushed Cuba. You put a persistant tropical storm in that area, and Wednesday night you will see explosive development.

Flo will be a major in the Gulf. Everyone should cancel their plans for next weekend, because we will have on hands full.

Already had flo
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419. thelmores 9:31 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
All of the "non-weather" related banter really detracts from this blog.... My wish personally is to see it ALL disappear!

There are so many site's you can go to to express your belief's and political affiliation...... a weather blog in my opinion IS NOT the place.....

Just my $0.02!
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420. LargoFl 9:32 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting GPTGUY:



here ya go baha:

596. wunderkidcayman 6:40 PM CDT on August 11, 2012 +0
I think that for EX-TD 7 will or should I say could really get restarted once it hits the 65-66W line
..well local met just said 7x doesnt stand much of a chance, its an open wave and will probably stay that way, saw one model putting it into mexico after crossing the yucatan like ernesto..we'll see...so far it doesnt look like any threat to the usa..the tropics/atlantic side is kinda quiet now..thats good, we need a break huh lol
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421. Patrap 9:33 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    



Hurricane Camille in the Gulf of Mexico



Ships beached in Gulfport, Mississippi.



A large, antebellum mansion destroyed by the high winds and storm surge.
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422. kmanislander 9:33 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting stormpetrol:
Ex-TD7 is going become Gordon in the western Caribbean, it is organizing once again. BTW someone just found a good friend of the family dead on board of his boat, so I'll probably be out for the evening, don't feel like commenting too much this evening!


Sorry to hear that.
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423. TropicalAnalystwx13 9:33 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
I think WKC's impostor will be back on the blog soon...he's in chat...just go ahead and put him on ignore.

"wunderkidcayma"
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424. wunderkidcayman 9:33 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting stormpetrol:
Ex-TD7 is going become Gordon in the western Caribbean, it is organizing once again. BTW someone just found a good friend of the family dead on board of his boat, so I'll probably be out for the evening, don't feel like commenting too much this evening!


yep I agree with you


oh here on islands
well I hope you can tell me more about that before Cayman27 gets there hands on the news

but yeah relly sorry to here about your friend
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425. ProgressivePulse 9:34 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
Pink Floyd, arguably the greatest band ever. Their messages still resonate strongly.


Evening All.

Still gotta crank the radio every time a song comes on. Funny, it's one of the few bands that I know most every word to every song. Just heard "Hey You" on the way home. "Learning To Fly" is my all time favorite however.
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426. CosmicEvents 9:34 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
no not dancing yet yes I know its been decleared dead and has 10% chance of redevelopment at 2pm today but conditions are not as hostile as before and is getting better and better and it may still be a zombie wave but it is starting to show life
Actually, things are looking worse, quite a bit worse. That TUTT that KMan posted is presently snuffing it out just as it helped ventilate it last night.
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427. GPTGUY 9:35 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
..well local met just said 7x doesnt stand much of a chance, its an open wave and will probably stay that way, saw one model putting it into mexico after crossing the yucatan like ernesto..we'll see...so far it doesnt look like any threat to the usa..the tropics/atlantic side is kinda quiet now..thats good, we need a break huh lol



I agree.. I'm just disputing wonderkid's claims that ex TD-7 is on its way to regeneration or regeneration in the central caribbean..he pointed out what I quoted about 65-66W yesterday.
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428. LargoFl 9:35 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Finally, after a very dry and HOT week I am right now getting a rain shower..not hard rain BUT..any rain at all right now is welcome..funny how the weather is..it can be pouring a block away and none by my house..but today, i finally got a nice shower, I am a happy camper now lol
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429. Felix2007 9:37 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
GUYS "wunderkidcayma" is back, don't click any links he posts! You have been warned!
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430. GTcooliebai 9:38 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
Finally, after a very dry and HOT week I am right now getting a rain shower..not hard rain BUT..any rain at all right now is welcome..funny how the weather is..it can be pouring a block away and none by my house..but today, i finally got a nice shower, I am a happy camper now lol
This is how I look at, if it doesn't rain by my house that is fine, but if it doesn't rain by a farmer who has a lot of agriculture then that is bad. The interior of the state needs it more than the coastline. I agree though a rain shower to cool things off is always a welcome sign. No complaints either way.
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431. Tazmanian 9:38 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting thelmores:
All of the "non-weather" related banter really detracts from this blog.... My wish personally is to see it ALL disappear!

There are so many site's you can go to to express your belief's and political affiliation...... a weather blog in my opinion IS NOT the place.....

Just my $0.02!




thank you


if you guys want too talk political plzs take it too the weather chat
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432. TropicalAnalystwx13 9:38 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Felix2007:
GUYS "wunderkidcayma" is back, don't click any links he posts! You have been warned!

How he is not banned after last night is beyond me...
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433. kmanislander 9:41 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
Actually, things are looking worse, quite a bit worse. That TUTT that KMan posted is presently snuffing it out just as it helped ventilate it last night.


The base of the TUTT can be seen very clearly at 15 N and 75 W. The axis extends all to the way to the NE and the ULL situated near 28 N and 59 W.

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434. LargoFl 9:41 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
well i just saw 4 weather warnings for texas, so it looks like THEY also are getting rain today, one of them said earlier they really need some rain badly there.........
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
431 PM CDT SUN AUG 12 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN FORT WORTH HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
COOKE COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...
NORTHWESTERN DENTON COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...
SOUTHEASTERN MONTAGUE COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...
NORTHEASTERN WISE COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...

* UNTIL 545 PM CDT

* AT 431 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE HAIL...AND
DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED 6 MILES
SOUTH OF FORESTBURG...MOVING EAST AT 20 MPH.

* THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WILL BE NEAR...
MUENSTER AROUND 455 PM...
LINDSAY AROUND 520 PM...
KRUM AND GAINESVILLE AROUND 530 PM...
SANGER AROUND 535 PM...
RAY ROBERTS PARK JOHNSON BRANCH AROUND 545 PM...

THIS WILL IMPACT I-35 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 477 AND 484.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO A STURDY SHELTER UNTIL THE STORM HAS
PASSED.

IF YOU ARE CAUGHT OUTSIDE...SEEK SHELTER IN A STRONG BUILDING AND
STAY INSIDE...AWAY FROM WINDOWS UNTIL THE STORM HAS PASSED.



LAT...LON 3377 9718 3374 9717 3372 9711 3374 9709
3373 9706 3334 9701 3315 9729 3334 9769
3383 9744 3383 9736
TIME...MOT...LOC 2131Z 280DEG 18KT 3345 9756



85/NH
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435. MississippiWx 9:41 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

How he is not banned after last night is beyond me...


If I didn't like a lot of people on this blog, I would have been gone a long time ago. Really difficult to sift through garbage on here a lot of the time. A couple of other sites I use are moderated heavily and this kind of garbage doesn't happen.
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436. SLU 9:42 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting java162:



Link


lots of rain overnight from the remnants of td7 causing quite a bit of damage on the island of Dominica. landslides, flooding and wind damage to crops on the east coast of the island.

and by the looks of this radar, there is more rain1 to come



Thanks .. keep us posted.
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437. BahaHurican 9:44 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
Good baha just have little time to post on a blog.Two kids with activities,full time job and 21 acres of grass to mow and keep up weekly.Wish i had the time to spend daily on the blog like a lot of these posters, lol.I guess thier mostly teens.You know though when I was thier age chasing bikinis and fishing.Times change.By the way going on a cruise to Nassau,st Marten And ST.Thomas in December.I lost the trip plan I wanted to go to Niagra Falls.Beaches sand and water get old lol.When I retire thank I will move to Alaska and I assure you I will spend no time on a computer.UGGH guess I am sick of summers here and heat lol.Anyway BaHa God Bless and good day.
Yeah.. I know the feeling... still spend more time here than I prolly should... and taking a couple weeks off to just veg.

Let me know a bit closer to the time when u will be here....
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438. STXHurricanes2012 9:44 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Felix2007:
GUYS "wunderkidcayma" is back, don't click any links he posts! You have been warned!

Got him thanks for reminding us.
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439. LargoFl 9:44 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
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440. TropicalAnalystwx13 9:45 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting MississippiWx:


If I didn't like a lot of people on this blog, I would have been gone a long time ago. Really difficult to sift through garbage on here a lot of the time. A couple of other sites I use are moderated heavily and this kind of garbage doesn't happen.

I'm really love this site, but even I'm starting to get annoyed with the lack of moderation here. The trolls are impersonating good bloggers, giving users viruses, and disrupting the weather conservation we have on here.

This is directed at Jeff Masters and the admins: Either find a way to get more moderation, or a lot of good people are leaving.
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441. Mikla 9:45 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Guess I am not seeing what some folks are that think ex TD7 will reform...

- 14:30Z ASCAT shows no circulation
- LOTS of dry air in front
- Moving too fast
- Shear is letting up, but a little too late
- Time is not on its side... it will encounter land within the next two days.
- No real model support
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442. allancalderini 9:46 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
ex td 7 really wants to make a comeback and become Gordon could he?I am not sure right now maybe in two days from now.
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443. kmanislander 9:46 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I'm really love this site, but even I'm starting to get annoyed with the lack of moderation here. The trolls are impersonating good bloggers, giving users viruses, and disrupting the weather conservation we have on here.

This is directed at Jeff Masters and the admins: Either find a way to get more moderation, or I'm leaving.


Taz applied for the moderator role :-)
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444. STXHurricanes2012 9:47 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Oh it has model support alright lol
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445. Mikla 9:47 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Link?
Quoting STXHurricanes2012:
Oh it has model support alright lol
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446. WhereIsTheStorm 9:48 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
447. Bluestorm5 9:50 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I'm really love this site, but even I'm starting to get annoyed with the lack of moderation here. The trolls are impersonating good bloggers, giving users viruses, and disrupting the weather conservation we have on here.

This is directed at Jeff Masters and the admins: Either find a way to get more moderation, or I'm leaving.
I really love the site and the people on here and y'all make me feel like I belong here... but the increase in trolls and lack of actions from admins is making me frustrated. Please do something, Dr. Masters.
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448. Grothar 9:50 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
I guess I'll stop posting these like I have since last night. I guess not much interest in it. I think I will go take a nap.

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450. fldude99 9:52 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Annnnd..another poof... Let's hang in for a few more weeks..Hopefully the el Nino settles in and we can stop paying attention to the Atlantic and get on with life.
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451. Tazmanian 9:53 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
poor 93L i think 93L went tool high
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