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Hurricane Hunters find tropical storm winds in TD 9
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:51 PM GMT on August 21, 2012 +59
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters are in Tropical Depression Nine, and have discovered a region of 40 - 45 mph winds at the surface, using their SFMR instrument. Flight level winds at their 1000 foot altitude spiked as high as 49 mph. The surface pressure was 1005 mb, a typical one for a weak tropical storm. Based on these measurements, it is highly likely that NHC will name this Tropical Storm Isaac at 5 pm EDT. A large area of dry air lies just to the north of the storm, as seen on water vapor satellite loops, and this dry air is interfering with development, allowing only a few clumps of heavy thunderstorms to fire up near TD 9's center, as seen on visible satellite loops. These loops also show some arc-shaped low clouds expanding away from the heavy thunderstorm area on the south side of the center, showing that TD 9 is ingesting dry air that is creating strong thunderstorm downdrafts, robbing the storm of moisture and energy. An analysis of upper level winds from the University of Wisconsin CIMSS shows that an upper level outflow channel has opened to the southwest, and another channel is attempting to open up to the north. A large clump of heavy thunderstorms several hundred miles to the southeast of TD 9 continues to compete for moisture, and is interfering with the low level inflow and upper level outflow of the storm. The center of TD 9 will pass about 50 miles to the north of buoy 41101 near midnight tonight. The next hurricane hunter mission into TD 9 is scheduled for 2 am Wednesday, and there will be a new mission launched every six hours. The NOAA jet is first scheduled to fly into the storm on Thursday afternoon, to do a large-scale dropsonde mission to aid model forecasts.


Figure 1. Satellite image of TD 9 and 96L taken at 10:45 am EDT August 21, 2012. The two storms are connected by a thin line of low clouds. Image credit: NOAA Environmental Visualization Lab.

Intensity forecast for TD 9
The latest 2 pm EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts that wind shear will be low to moderate, 5 - 15 knots, for the next five days. Ocean temperatures will warm from 28°C today to 29°C by Wednesday afternoon, and the total heat content of the ocean will increase sharply during that period. The low wind shear and warm waters will favor strengthening. The main impediment to development through Wednesday will be dry air to the north, though the storm will also have trouble separating from the clump of thunderstorms to its southeast. I expect that TD 9 will continue to struggle with dry air through Wednesday. The official NHC forecast is of a 60 mph tropical storm moving through the Lesser Antilles on Wednesday evening; I put the most likely range of strengths for TD 9 Wednesday evening at 50 - 60 mph. Once TD 9 enters the Eastern Caribbean, wind shear will be low, oceanic heat content high, and the storm should have had enough time to moisten the atmosphere to allow steady strengthening to a hurricane. Intensity forecasts 4 - 5 days out are low in skill, though, and it would not be a surprise at all to see TD 9 struggle like so many other storms have over the past two years, and remain a tropical storm over the next five days. Conversely, rapid intensification into a Category 2 hurricane five days from now, as the official NHC is suggesting may happen, would also not be a surprise.


Figure 2. Daily Oceanic Heat Content or Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential (TCHP) for TD 9. The forecast points are from the 11 am EDT NHC advisory, and the 24 hour forecast point shown here is for 8 pm EDT Wednesday. For tropical cyclones in favorable environmental conditions for intensification (i.e., vertical wind shear less than 15 kt, mid-level relative humidity >50 %, and warm SSTs [i.e., >28.5C]) and with intensities less than 80kt, values of ocean heat content greater than 50 kJ/cm^2 (yellow and warmer colors) have been shown to promote greater rates of intensity change. TD 9 will be crossing into such a region early Wednesday morning, and will enter a region of very high TCHP south of Hispaniola on Friday morning (the 72 hour forecast point.) Image credit: NOAA/RAMMB.

Latest model runs for TD 9
The latest set of 12Z (8 am EDT) model runs for TD 9 are fairly unified for the coming three days, showing a west to west-northwest track to a point just south of Hispaniola. Most of the models then predict a more west-northwest track across Southwest Haiti and into eastern Cuba, as TD 9 responds to a small trough of low pressure over the Southeast U.S. A notable exception is our best-performing model, the ECMWF, which keeps TD 9 south of Hispaniola, and takes the storm more to the west over Jamaica by Saturday, and then into the Yucatan Channel between Mexico and Cuba by next Tuesday. We'll have to wait another day to see where the center of TD 9 consolidates before judging which model solution is likely to be correct; reformations of the center closer to bursts of heavy thunderstorm often cause the center point to shift around in the early stages of development, leading to large changes in the forecast track many days later. TD 9 is a threat to affect Tampa during the Republican National Convention, August 27 - 30. I blogged about the climatological chances of a hurricane causing an evacuation of Tampa during the convention in a post last week, putting the odds at 0.2%. The odds in the current situation are higher, probably near 2%. It would take a "perfect storm" sort of conditions to all fall in place to bring TD 9 to the doorstep of Tampa as a hurricane during the convention, but that is one of the possibilities the models have been suggesting could happen.

Disturbance 96L off the coast of Africa
A large tropical wave in the eastern Atlantic about 550 miles southwest of the Cape Verde Islands (Invest 96L) is headed west at 15 mph. This disturbance has an impressive amount of spin, as seen on visible satellite loops, and a respectable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity that is increasing. The storm is under a light 5 - 10 knots of wind shear. Given that TD 9 has moistened up the atmosphere ahead of 96L, this disturbance should have less of a problem with dry air. In their 2 pm EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 96L a 60% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone by Thursday afternoon. This disturbance will track nearly due west the next three days, then is expected to turn more to the west-northwest late this week, bringing it close to the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Sunday.

Disturbance 95L in the Gulf of Mexico near the Texas/Mexico border
A region of disturbed weather (Invest 95L) is in the Gulf of Mexico, just northeast of Tampico, Mexico. In their 2 pm EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC downgraded the chances of 95L developing to 20%. The Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft scheduled to investigate 95L this afternoon was cancelled. Radar out of Altamira, Mexico does not show any organization to the precipitation echoes and visible satellite loops show that 95L is small and disorganized. The computer models show that 95L should drift westwards, and may move over Mexico on Wednesday.

I'll have a new post in the morning.

Jeff Masters
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2951. LargoFl 9:32 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2952. Bobbyweather 9:33 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
51.3 knots (~ 59.0 mph)
Tropical Storm
... maybe it's contaminated.
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2953. SaladTosser 9:35 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
OMG, just made my coffee and had an awful thought...I might not have the internet for a whole month!!
Same thoughts ran through my mind in Central Florida here.
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2954. AtHomeInTX 9:36 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
0z EURO Pretty much exactly like it's operational except intensity. What a mess. Model wars.

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2955. LargoFl 9:36 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting SaladTosser:
Same thoughts ran through my mind in Central Florida here.
gee we sure are in the cone of danger so far huh
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2956. NOLA2005 9:36 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting VirginIslandsVisitor:


Sorry for delay in answering. I was cruising stormcarib and Crownweather for a few.

I'm in St. Thomas.
I love that place...had some fun times in Charlotte Amalie! My neighbor's son recently lived there for a couple of years but moved back to the mainland last year. Stay safe and make your preps now. Hopefully only the edge of a TS for y'all.
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2957. bigwes6844 9:36 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
u got the site?
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2958. NICycloneChaser 9:37 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting raggpr:
HH got a reading of 999 mb at the center. Seems to be a little bit stronger than anticipated.


Seems like a suspect reading to me. That was a bit away from the centre of circulation, where the extrapolated pressures were around 1003mb. Have to wait for the vortex message.
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2959. calder 9:37 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting WCSCTVCharleston:


Was just making a point. Someone said a minimal ts would be catastrophic for haiti and I completely disagree. I have been in numerous minimal TS and if you are getting fringe effects you don't get 10 inches of rain maybe locally in the mts. Why don't you read the rest of the conversation next time


Are you a met?! Even a slow moving TD would be dangerous for Haiti just now - mountainous areas are affected exponentially worse by the rains from a tropical system. Added to this, Isaac has shrugged away the SAL and looks set to become extremely large - has two well defined outflow channels and is under low (and falling shear).

Bluntly put, you're wrong.
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2960. LargoFl 9:39 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting bigwes6844:
u got the site?
ok got it..thanks wes!!
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2961. VegasRain 9:39 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
http://www.barbadosweather.org/barbados-weather-r adar.php

Barbados radar showing circulation quite nicely. It's still ragged and not wrapped all the way around. Looks like what you would expect from a 45MPH Tropical Storm.
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2962. LargoFl 9:39 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2963. bigwes6844 9:40 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
ok got it..thanks wes!!
anytime
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2964. SaladTosser 9:40 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
gee we sure are in the cone of danger so far huh
Oh yes! And with the model consistancy of the GFS - and the tight cluster of models going through the spine of the state - it doesn't look good. This reminds me of Isabel - when the NHC had the forecast nailed from around 5 days out
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2965. sunlinepr 9:40 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Season has just begun....

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2966. sunlinepr 9:41 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2967. NICycloneChaser 9:41 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting WCSCTVCharleston:


Was just making a point. Someone said a minimal ts would be catastrophic for haiti and I completely disagree. I have been in numerous minimal TS and if you are getting fringe effects you don't get 10 inches of rain maybe locally in the mts. Why don't you read the rest of the conversation next time


There isn't a set amount of rainfall that a TS can dump. It varies wildly. I experienced TS Bonnie in 2010, and it was nothing much more than some afternoon thunderstorms, only dropping around an inch of rain. But just look at TS Lee from last year. It dropped rains in excess of 10 inches right across a large swath of the US.

Isaac is huge, and has a lot of warm waters to work from. He is entirely capable of putting over 10 inches of rain on Haiti, which could be catastrophic.
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2968. LargoFl 9:41 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting SaladTosser:
Oh yes! And with the model consistancy of the GFS - and the tight cluster of models going through the spine of the state - it doesn't look good. This reminds me of Isabel - when the NHC had the forecast nailed from around 5 days out
yes it sure does alright
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2969. sunlinepr 9:43 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2970. Dakster 9:43 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting Altestic2012:
People forget the ECMWF was the northern outlier with many of the CV hurricanes in the 2010 season when the others (most especially and notoriously the UKMET) wanted to move them west into the Caribbean or CONUS, the ECMWF always made them "fish storms" and always won out -- the ECMWF is a damn good model.


I haven't forgotten... BUT - each year it seems like one of the models does better than the others. That is the reason they are all still around. If one model was really superior to the rest of them then why aren't we running just one model? Notice that the NHC track has the best skill - and that is usually a blend of a bunch of models.

Which model has had the biggest success in predicting Isaac so far? (Not that historical success defines future success -- but at least we know which model has the best handle on Isaac environment at the moment)

Right now with the model splits and trends, I still say everything is on the table.

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2971. bigwes6844 9:43 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
man if Isaac would stay over these waters, he would be a cat 4 quickly!

especially here!
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2972. PRweathercenter 9:44 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:
Its going to pass very close to the sw tip of island, if It bouces north a little it could be right over
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2973. NICycloneChaser 9:46 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


Seems like a suspect reading to me. That was a bit away from the centre of circulation, where the extrapolated pressures were around 1003mb. Have to wait for the vortex message.


Yep, dropsonde in the centre has a pressure reading of 1005mb. Not doing much just yet.
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2974. sander224 9:46 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting TXCWC:


yes...NHC usually does not deviate too far from this track - even in it's latest update the official track follows it well out to day 5...hence showing West of many of the track models. :)


Thanks. Was hoping I could expand the graphic by clicking it, but just had trouble making out the text. Agree with your thinking on the TVCN, too.
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2975. LargoFl 9:47 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting bigwes6844:
man if Isaac would stay over these waters, he would be a cat 4 quickly!
im watching this one closely, suppose it doesnt..hit the islands like they say it will
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2976. sunlinepr 9:48 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting PRweathercenter:
Its going to pass very close to the sw tip of island, if It bouces north a little it could be right over


Looks like the path will be detemined by the interation with those 2 ULLs one on the NE that is moving S and the one over Cuba....

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2978. AtHomeInTX 9:48 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:


Oh it's going to wet and rocky PR. Hope y'all don't get a direct hit. Stay safe everyone.
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2979. bigwes6844 9:49 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2980. LargoFl 9:50 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting NEVERTRUST:
looks like the track has mocved more east is it possible in a few days it could even move more east and miss florida altogether and pass florida way off shore up the east coast?
yes it sure can, we need to watch this one carefully the next few days..but..it can also do a direct hit and go right up florida..so stay tuned to your local warnings
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2981. icmoore 9:51 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Good morning everyone. Hoping to see this bad boy start to behave soon.
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2982. LargoFl 9:51 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2983. STXHurricanes2012 9:51 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
One last thing I say before heading out for a while.More moisture from old 95L off our shores again! Slowly heading in this direction! Hoping for more rain! :) Good Night!
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2984. mikatnight 9:51 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Windfield for Isaac

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2985. bigwes6844 9:52 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
im watching this one closely, suppose it doesnt..hit the islands like they say it will
yeah dat would be crazy but largo check this out 90 degrees!!!! right over the forecast track
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2986. LargoFl 9:52 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting icmoore:
Good morning everyone. Hoping to see this bad boy start to behave soon.
good morning IC
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2987. LargoFl 9:52 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting bigwes6844:
yeah dat would be crazy but largo check this out 90 degrees!!!! right over the forecast track
yep i have been saying that all along..jet fuel for a hurricane
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2988. sunlinepr 9:53 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


Oh it's going to wet and rocky PR. Hope y'all don't get a direct hit. Stay safe everyone.


Thanks

6AM here,
my agenda
have to pick up my sister in airport from NOLA, gonna put shutters and pick as much avocados from backyard tree...
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2989. LargoFl 9:53 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting STXHurricanes2012:
One last thing I say before heading out for a while.More moisture from old 95L off our shores again! Slowly heading in this direction! Hoping for more rain! :) Good Night!
good night stx
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2990. STXHurricanes2012 9:54 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
P.S CANTBELIEVEIT=NEVERTRUST.... you know what to do!
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2991. LargoFl 9:55 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2992. sunlinepr 9:55 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting NEVERTRUST:
looks like the track has mocved more east is it possible in a few days it could even move more east and miss florida altogether and pass florida way off shore up the east coast?


It all depends on which models forecast we trust...
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2993. WCSCTVCharleston 9:55 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting calder:


Are you a met?! Even a slow moving TD would be dangerous for Haiti just now - mountainous areas are affected exponentially worse by the rains from a tropical system. Added to this, Isaac has shrugged away the SAL and looks set to become extremely large - has two well defined outflow channels and is under low (and falling shear).

Bluntly put, you're wrong.


Yes I know a slow moving tropical system would be devastating to Haiti. To recap a blogger was saying issac will cause catastophic danger to the united states. I advised him that we don't know the end game so you can't say that at this point. The people who are in danger right now are in the islands. That includes Haiti. Again read the whole conversation instead of picking out a part of it. Depending on track and intensity it is highly debateable that this system will be catastrophic to Haiti it very well could be. I was trying to make an attempt to stop the spead of doom and gloom I'm done
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2994. bigwes6844 9:55 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
yep i have been saying that all along..jet fuel for a hurricane
u see how quick ernesto turned into a hurricane before it made landfall after drinking that water by the yucatan
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2995. mikatnight 9:55 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
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2996. atmosweather 9:55 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Done a little bit of analysis tonite since I can't go to sleep lol. The 2 things that jump out most:

1) I have rarely seen the long range (3-5 day) model guidance be this tightly clustered at this early stage of a tropical cyclone's development. In fact, look at the 00z GFS ensemble tracks which usually show considerable variability...that is a remarkable consensus at this point. Other than the NOGAPS and Canadian models, which have performed poorly in recent years, the global models are in virtual unanimous agreement of a track south of Puerto Rico, over the spine of the Dominican, through or very close to the NE coast of Cuba, and then over the Florida peninsula or just to the east of it. The ECMWF is the only major model that remains a W-ern outlier, and also much slower than the rest of the guidance.

2) The scene depicted by the water vapor imagery tells a very dangerous story at this point. Watch the TUTT cell over E-ern Cuba and the W-ern Dominican Republic back away W-ward (quicker than I anticipated), and then see how Isaac is fanning out its upper level clouds on the NW side. It's a perfect outflow channel and this is a really troubling setup. Add to that the ever strengthening anticyclone over the storm moving W-ward in tandem and you have almost an ideal upper level environment. With water temperatures increasing to near 29 C and much higher oceanic heat content around the Dominican, Cuba, the Bahamas and Florida Straits, Isaac's only inhibitor to significant intensification is the mid level dry air currently to the north of him, which is becoming a non-issue as mid level wind shear is falling to less than 5 kts. Thus, Isaac's future strength will depend almost entirely on how much land it interacts with. The current track reasoning is a blessing in that sense, since Isaac is going to have cross at least 1 of the 4 major islands between him and the United States and depending on how long it spends over these islands, we could see a much weaker system than it potentially could be.
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2997. AtHomeInTX 9:56 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:


6AM here,
my agenda
have to pick up my sister in airport from NOLA, gonna put shutters and pick as much avocados from backyard tree...


Sounds like a good plan. :)
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2998. AussieStorm 9:57 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:

Did *** have a heart attack in excitement....
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2999. LargoFl 9:57 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
ok so monday thru wens is Tampa's danger days..RIGHT at the time of the convention..Thousands of cars bumper to bumper on I-4 headed out of dodge, inch by inch,moving out of dodge..oh brother this might be bad
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3000. mikeylikesyouall 9:57 AM GMT on August 22, 2012    
I checked the topography of Hispanola, Haiti, and Cuba basically Isaac would have to cross right through the mid section of those countries for the higher mountain ranges to have a large effect on the storm, to degenerate it.Regardless if does the rain and mudslides to those countries could be devastating to the people there.
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