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Another wild night in Tornado Alley
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:40 AM GMT on May 06, 2007 +6
The sirens sounded two more times in tornado-ravaged Greensburg, Kansas last night, as two more twisters tore through the county. However, both tornadoes missed populated areas, as did most of the approximately 75 tornadoes that touched down yesterday. The action should quiet down considerably today; the Storm Prediction Center (SPC) has placed most of Kansas and Nebraska under its "Slight Risk" area for severe weather. Sweetwater, Oklahoma received significant damage from a tornado last night, and we've saved 300 Kb animations of the radar reflectivity and Doppler velocities of the tornado.

It will take a long time for Greensburg to recover from Friday's tornado. To get an idea of the scale of devastation, see the aerial photos posted by the Wichita Eagle. Damage surveys are not yet complete on the tornado, but photos I've seen of the destruction show damage consistent with EF4 winds(168-199 mph). It is possible the storm was an EF5 (winds more than 200 mph). The nine deaths from the tornado bring the U.S. tornado death toll to 68 so far this year, two more than the toll for all of last year.

We've saved some extraordinary 1 Mb animations of the radar reflectivity and Doppler velocities of the tornado. I asked wunderground meteorologist and tornado expert Rob Carver to comment on what's going on in the animations, and here was his analysis:

This was likely an example of cyclic mesocyclogenesis. In a nutshell, the rear-flank downdraft surges out, wraps around and occludes the mesocyclone (Meso A for short). Meso A then veers to the left and dies, this is why tornado family members curve to the left as they dissipate. While Meso A is dying, a new meso spins up and becomes the dominant meso. Now, while I've seen plenty of simulated cyclic cases where the hook retreats when Meso A occludes, I don't think I've seen anything as dramatic.



Figure 1. Radar image of the storm that spawned the Greensburg, KS tornado of May 4, 2007, showing the clearly defined hook echo associated with the twister.

Coastal Carolina storm
The latest (8pm EDT) computer forecast models continue to show a moderately strong coastal storm developing several hundred miles southeast of Cape Hatteras, North Carolina, on Monday. The storm will be extratropical in nature when it forms. We'll have a lot of time to watch the storm, as it is expected to meander offshore for five days and gradually weaken. Water temperatures are 22-23 C off of the coast, which may be warm enough to allow the low to acquire some subtropical characteristics and become the season's first named storm. The models are hinting that the storm could remain over water long enough for this to happen, and I put the odds of a Subtropical Storm Andrea forming late this week at about 20%.

Wunderblogger Mike Theiss was out chasing yesterday and caught some of the storms; be sure to tune into his blog over the next few days to read his chase accounts. Stormchaser Dan Robinson posted some video stills of the Greensburg tornado.

Jeff Masters
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A big storm moved in on the 3rd. Wasn't as bad as it looked though.
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701. hurricaneman23 1:17 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
twc is not ruling out a possibility of it being tropical
702. stormhank 1:18 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
JP u still here bro? seems to be a big system off coast huh.. prob get some wind here at least.. Im over in big bend of Florida
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703. stormhank 1:18 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Hey again hman lol
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704. weathermanwannabe 1:18 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Guess most people around here are getting ready for the work week, but, South Florida is certinly getting some much needed rain....Too bad this is a short-term event...
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705. kmanislander 1:20 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
how far South will the low push the rain ?
We could use some in The NW Caribbean
Some of what is going through Miami Dade is already pushing off the S Coast of Fla through the keys
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706. hurricaneman23 1:22 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
where can i get the names for 07
707. shoals 1:22 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Yeah...Jeff Morrow will be broadcasting here tomorrow for twc.
709. HurricaneFCast 1:24 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
WTH... JP? Lol. Umm i guess we lost em for a while. They're back in full force now...
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710. weathermanwannabe 1:24 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
It doesen't look like it is heading to Caiman, but, parts of Cuba& the Bahamas may get some rain before it dissipates; if it wasn't so early in the pre-season, and the shear still so high, I would be more worried about this "remnant" floating around between Cuba and the Bahamas than the low pressure center off the Carolinas.........
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711. hurricane23 1:25 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Guys just got my power back.
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712. kmanislander 1:26 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
2007 names

Link
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713. kmanislander 1:26 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
oh well the waiting game for rain continues
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714. Bamatracker 1:27 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
no tunnels cyclone!!! lets not go down that road
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715. Patrap 1:28 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
rough storm eh 23? Yall still Okay?
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716. dnalia 1:29 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
OK, the warning expired.
I could hear either hard rain or hail hitting the roof. Not fun.
717. hurricane23 1:32 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Yea pat....

Power was going on and off with very gusty winds i would say anywere between 35-50mph.Its passed us now so look forward to quite evening.Wife was freaking out.
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718. weatherboykris 1:34 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
LOL
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719. hurricane23 1:34 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Here is your low...

fr
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721. hurricaneman23 1:34 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
did max mayfiel retire????
722. lilmax 1:35 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Nothing but thunder where I am.
723. Bamatracker 1:35 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
alright cyclone...i'll let it slide this time LOL!!
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724. Bamatracker 1:36 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
low keeps looking better organized as time passes.
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725. weathermanwannabe 1:37 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Max signed on for a one year weatherman deal with one of the local Miami TV stations last I heard...
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727. HurricaneFCast 1:38 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Hurricane23- Sorry to beg you.. but you still haven't answered my question. What's the name of your radar software? If you're not going to tell me i'd appreciate you just telling me you're not going to tell me, otherwise, what is it? Lol. I'm in need of new software.
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728. weatherboykris 1:38 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Posted By: cyclonebuster at 1:34 AM GMT on May 07, 2007.

Bamatracker at 1:27 AM GMT on May 07, 2007.

no tunnels cyclone!!! lets not go down that road

I only mentioned them because I am pretty sure they can also prevent severe weather and tornados from forming over Florida and perhaps the Midwest and Southeast.



That's retarded.I'll take the whole 'weakening hurricanes' thing seriously...but to say that your TUNNELS could've stopped the life threatening...and in several cases absolutely devastating severe weather is stupid(because there's no logical reason why it should) and also cold.
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729. Bamatracker 1:39 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Cyclone...you expalined it all to me last year..we dont need to go through it tonight.
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730. BahaHurican 1:40 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Hey all,

I'm looking at that blob of showers that's headed down the FL peninsula. It looks like we are going to get hammered by some heavy rain before the night is out . . .

We sure could use some . . .
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732. weatherboykris 1:44 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Yes,enlighten me.
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734. weathermanwannabe 1:45 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
The Florida rain event missed me here (sadly) in the Big Bend but gave the East Coast and Central/South Florida a good shot....Enjoy it until the next one and Good Night all...
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735. hurricane23 1:46 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
48hr forcast...

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736. kmanislander 1:47 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
23

Max retired last year. Proenza is the new director

Link
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737. RL3AO 1:47 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
thats starting to look a little more sub-tropical, but its not there yet.
739. kmanislander 1:50 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
hurricane 23 ?
hurricaneman 23??

HUH ?
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740. BahaHurican 1:51 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
don't know why anybody would ever want to have to load all of the comments in a blog, especially when there are hundreds and tons of pictures - a horror even with high speed Internet).

Actually, I usually load them all, unless I've read most of them already. It's too much of a hassle to keep pressing NEXT when I can just scroll down as I read.

Just about the only time I use the 50 comments setting is when the blog is well over 1000 comments and I have already read more than 85% of them.

The picture that's stretching the blog, btw, is the one showing the Greenburg F-5 tornado. Perhaps the person who posted it could go back and edit the size?
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741. hurricane23 1:52 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
2 different people kman.
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742. weatherboykris 1:52 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
I'd like to know where you think you got the right to toss around the stupid idea that the TUNNELS could stop tornadoes....two days after a town was wiped off the map,and when several people have died in the past few days.Why don't you show a little consideration,and show some sympathy for those poor people,instead of using them as examples like a fear monger."You'd better support my TUNNELS,or this could happen to you!"
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743. pottery 1:52 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
The ITCZ , from Venezuela, through to Panama and into the Pacific, is begining to produce some real weather, at last........
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744. kmanislander 1:53 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
apparently
Odd though. I guess someone likes your handle LOL
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745. kmanislander 1:53 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
will the real slim shady please stand up LOL
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746. ecflawthr 1:53 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
any large hail in fl today?
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747. hurricane23 1:54 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Kris this is from IWIC...

After observing the models the last couple days, it looks as if the western Atlantic low will initially strengthen via baroclinic forcing. Over time, the low will begin to acquire subtropical or tropical characteristics. However, upper level conditions cannot sustain a tropical (warm core) low at this time. So the more tropical it becomes, the more it will weaken. The models also show the low drifting west into the southeast USA underneath a high to the north. It would be nice if the southeast could get some rain (drought), but the low will likely be too weak to bring any torrential rainfall by the time it moves inland. All that being said, the low should be monitored for hybrid development over the next few days.
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748. hurricaneman23 1:55 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
yea 2 different people
749. Jackp0t789 1:56 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
With the comma shape, it looks more like a Noreaster...
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750. weatherboykris 1:57 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Thanks Adrian,but I have to disagree with them.Shear will get better the next few days.
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751. lilmax 1:57 AM GMT on May 07, 2007    
Another batch of thunderstorms moving in from the north-northeast. Thankfully it doesn't look so concentrated as the first batch.

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