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Bertha may pose a long-range threat to the U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:43 PM GMT on July 05, 2008 +6
Tropical Storm Bertha has maintained it's strength overnight, but is having trouble with Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) of 25°C--one degree below the threshold of 26°C considered beneficial for tropical storms. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed Bertha, but last night's pass confirmed winds of at least 40mph. Satellite estimates of Bertha's strength have consistently put the storm's strength at 50 mph over the past day. The storm is under about 10-15 knots of wind shear.


Figure 1. Latest satellite image of Bertha.

The forecast
The models are now more confident that Bertha will not take a turn to the north east of Bermuda, with two models--the UKMET and NOGAPS--calling for the storm to pass very near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. These islands should anticipate the possibility of tropical storm conditions as early as Tuesday night, even though the current official track keeps Bertha well north of the islands. Bertha may be large enough to bring tropical storm force winds 100-200 miles from the center by Tuesday. A threat to the East Coast of the U.S. is now possible, with such an event most likely to occur about 7-10 days from now. It is also possible that high wind shear will tear apart Bertha (as predicted by the ECMWF model), or that the storm will recurve to the north just east of North Carolina, missing the U.S. The long range track of Bertha is highly uncertain, and it is too early to speculate how likely each of these scenarios is.

By Sunday morning, Bertha will be over SSTs of 26°C, which will warm to 27°C by Monday and 28°C Tuesday. this should allow Bertha to intensify to near Category 1 hurricane strength. However, by Tuesday, wind shear is expected to increase to 20 knots and remain high for several days, as Bertha encounters a branch of the subtropical jet stream. The higher shear should weaken the storm.

Elsewhere in the tropics
There are no threat areas to discuss in the tropical Atlantic, and none of the models are forecasting tropical storm formation in the next seven days.

I'll post an update by Sunday afternoon.
Jeff Masters
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551. Drakoen 4:54 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
542. amd 4:51 PM GMT on July 05, 2008
stsimons is 100% right.

The wishcasting is out of control here.


Who is wishcasting? I guess no one reads Dr. Masters blogs when he does his outlooks.
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552. IKE 4:54 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Same here...back in an hour or so.
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553. SLU 4:55 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
526. KEEPEROFTHEGATE 4:48 PM GMT on July 05, 2008
yes slu iam always watchin just daytime heating effect


there seems to be a rotation with the clouds and also observations from Tampico and the NOAA buoys
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554. moonlightcowboy 4:55 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Bertha is likely to slip under the 20-30kts of shear that's between 50-60w if she continues to track westerly. And, after looking at the steering levels, it would not surprise me at all to see Bertha take a short dip to the swest and therefore avoiding any weakness altogether.
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557. FLWeatherFreak91 4:56 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
What's the GFS up to? I'm not watching this run...
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558. beell 4:56 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
517.
Forward speed-if it holds may limit intensity but a strong CAT1 or maybe 2 is a possibility.

In any event, sadly, it is common for folks to lose their lives in "just" a tropical storm.
Tree limbs, trees, car wreck, tornados, flooding, etc.

I was hoping for a NW turn a few days ago and I think there was some support for it. Still is some support for a northward component.

Things change.

Staying open to all the possibilities is important. Hard to keep one's objectivity sometimes. We all struggle with that.
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560. Drakoen 4:57 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
I'm done discussing what I already know lol. Moving on...
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561. StormJunkie 4:59 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
543.

So if it moves at the right speed then 100m of 26c water should be enough to promote whatever intensification the other conditions at that time support.

I don't think Bertha will be anything over a CAT three at worst, but I know enough to know that I can always be wrong. I'm also not convinced it ever makes the CONUS, and I don't really think anyone in here is. People love to throw the wish-casting word around.

Everyone learns from good debate...

Off to work. See y'all later.
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562. beell 5:00 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
See ya SJ!
Have a good 'un.
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563. moonlightcowboy 5:00 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Thanks, SJ! Don't work too hard, friend! ;P
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565. StormJunkie 5:01 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Thanks bl!
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566. Tazmanian 5:01 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
right there more talk on BERTHA then the wave S of BERTHA


cant we take a little time to talk about the wave S of BERTHA or may be a talk about both of them from time to time??????????
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567. caneman911 5:02 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
when 92L became bertha alot of people said it was going out to sea even our Mr Masters. How wrong they were.
568. HurricaneKing 5:02 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
From what I've heard the water just off the NC coast is the hottest it's been in a long time for this time of the year. I know the Pamlico sound is hot. Just because it doesn't have a high TCHP doesn't mean it cant get strong. (Even though I think cat 2 for Bertha at most.)
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569. Tazmanian 5:04 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
and BN is going right up on my Ignore


so bye bye BN
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570. Tazmanian 5:05 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
BN this made # 69 on my Ignore
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571. FLWeatherFreak91 5:05 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Can some please yet again post the link to the current GFS run please? I don't have that bookmarked on this comp. thanks in advance!
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572. caneman911 5:05 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
bignig go away
573. stormdude77 5:07 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Taz, only the GFS develops the EATL Twave. Until more models jump on, and it get's more structure (organization), that Twave is nothing to worry about just yet. We'll see, though
574. Tazmanian 5:07 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
this year i will be keeping track and how many rounds of .INVEST we get this year i would all so be keeping track of how many of them be come name storms


and i will yet you no by season end on how we did
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575. moonlightcowboy 5:08 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
When Bertha gets to 55-60w there's warmer water and no dry air. In fact, the MJO pulse may well be in that area by then. If she maintains like she's been doing, Bertha could easily ramp up to a CAT 1 or 2 even before reaching the northern islands.

Hey, I'm not saying this is going to be a major, etc, but I don't think we should rule it out just yet either.
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576. Tazmanian 5:08 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
ok 77


i am out for now


my for cast high for later this week will be 109
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578. Drakoen 5:09 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
575. moonlightcowboy 5:08 PM GMT on July 05, 2008
When Bertha gets to 55-60w there's warmer water and no dry air. In fact, the MJO pulse may well be in that area by then. If she maintains like she's been doing, Bertha could easily ramp up to a CAT 1 or 2 even before reaching the northern islands.

Hey, I'm not saying this is going to be a major, etc, but I don't think we should rule it out just yet either.


Exactly. No one is saying it's going to be a major hurricane we are just discussing observations.
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579. StormJunkie 5:09 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Thank you mlc :~)

FLWF

You don't need to book mark it....

Quick Links The GFS is already out on the NWS NCEP page under Forecast Models.

Make sure you select the Western North Atlantic link above the table.
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580. stormdude77 5:10 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
The EATL Twave has some things in it's favour, though (Warm SSTs, Upward MJO pulse and favourable wind shear)
581. weathersp 5:10 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Hey all... I'm back from running errands. Whats going on?
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582. weatherboyfsu 5:10 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........You guys are so sweet in here! Bye bye........
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584. atmoaggie 5:11 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
cant we take a little time to talk about the wave S of BERTHA or may be a talk about both of them from time to time??????????

Taz, NHC recognizes that S-of-Bertha convection as embedded in the ITCZ. I don't think there is much to talk about there. (look back about 100 posts for the quote)
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585. ncforecaster 5:13 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Hey everyone,

I just had a few minutes to very quickly skim through some of the most recent posts in this blog. In doing so, I noticed alot of discussion about the prospects of future development off the African coast, as I did when Bertha first moved off the West African coastline a few days ago. Consequently, I wrote this most recent blog entry to help others better understand the "general rule of thumb" when it comes to forecasting "cyclogenesis".

Another thing to keep in mind when observing tropical waves emerging off the West African coastline, it must sustain its identity for a period of at least 24 hours to be characterized as a tropical disturbance (which is why you won't see most "blobs" discussed on here designated as such in the TWO).
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586. Drakoen 5:14 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
NOGAPS 12z run is coming out.
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587. stoormfury 5:18 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Taz i agree wave se of bertha should be given some atteetion also. i know that Bertha is threatening the CONUS so is the potential Christobal will threaten the islands during the same week period
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588. Drakoen 5:19 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
NOGAPS has Bertha threatening the northern islands.
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589. AirTrafficMan 5:20 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
I appreciate all of your entries and opinions. Thanks Dr. Masters for your blog as I watch these storms to anticipate their impact on aviation in the US and Caribbean. I also coordinate aviation evacuation and recovery efforts as well. All of your input is great!! Looks like Bertha just may be our first exercise this year, with "may" being the operative word.
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592. stoormfury 5:23 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
ncforecaster you should also remember before 92Lcame off the african coast it wsa being discussed because the GFS was consistently hinting on cyclogeniesis. the same can be said of the wave because the GFS is also hinting that the wave will develop---same differnce
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594. nrtiwlnvragn 5:25 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
CAUTION: This is a large (12.9MB) pdf document

The Basics of Tropical Cyclone Formation, Intensity and Movement
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595. nash28 5:25 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
LOL! I see the Bertha will die folks are out in force today:-)
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596. nash28 5:26 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
North huh?

They'll come back south. The ULL is not gonna have much influence if it all and the trof will most likely not be deep enough to curve her away.
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598. stormdude77 5:28 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Stoormfury...the GFS develops the EATL Twave as early as Monday or Tuesday, but for some reason, it then weakens the system as the week goes on (I'm not so sure why, though...shear, dry air)?
599. nash28 5:28 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
I guess to some on here, that would make me a "southcaster" or some such....
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600. OUSHAWN 5:30 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
Well, there is a definite rotation with the blob on the Mex/Boc border but looks to be moving inland so no chance there.
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601. FLWeatherFreak91 5:30 PM GMT on July 05, 2008    
the current nam has a small low hit the panhandle in a few days... didn't see that on the other runs. Take a look
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