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Bertha may pose a long-range threat to the U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:43 PM GMT on July 05, 2008 +6
Tropical Storm Bertha has maintained it's strength overnight, but is having trouble with Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) of 25°C--one degree below the threshold of 26°C considered beneficial for tropical storms. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed Bertha, but last night's pass confirmed winds of at least 40mph. Satellite estimates of Bertha's strength have consistently put the storm's strength at 50 mph over the past day. The storm is under about 10-15 knots of wind shear.


Figure 1. Latest satellite image of Bertha.

The forecast
The models are now more confident that Bertha will not take a turn to the north east of Bermuda, with two models--the UKMET and NOGAPS--calling for the storm to pass very near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. These islands should anticipate the possibility of tropical storm conditions as early as Tuesday night, even though the current official track keeps Bertha well north of the islands. Bertha may be large enough to bring tropical storm force winds 100-200 miles from the center by Tuesday. A threat to the East Coast of the U.S. is now possible, with such an event most likely to occur about 7-10 days from now. It is also possible that high wind shear will tear apart Bertha (as predicted by the ECMWF model), or that the storm will recurve to the north just east of North Carolina, missing the U.S. The long range track of Bertha is highly uncertain, and it is too early to speculate how likely each of these scenarios is.

By Sunday morning, Bertha will be over SSTs of 26°C, which will warm to 27°C by Monday and 28°C Tuesday. this should allow Bertha to intensify to near Category 1 hurricane strength. However, by Tuesday, wind shear is expected to increase to 20 knots and remain high for several days, as Bertha encounters a branch of the subtropical jet stream. The higher shear should weaken the storm.

Elsewhere in the tropics
There are no threat areas to discuss in the tropical Atlantic, and none of the models are forecasting tropical storm formation in the next seven days.

I'll post an update by Sunday afternoon.
Jeff Masters
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2551. CATfour 1:48 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
I'am going to say a North Carolina landfall around were Isabel came in, in 2003 or the same place Bertha came in, in 1996.
2554. MrSea 1:50 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
2549. philliesrock 1:48 PM GMT on July 06, 2008
2.7 /1005.0mb/ 39.0kt


Its gotta be wrong, look where it has the storm center
2555. prophetofdoom 1:50 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
weather456 you have mail.
2556. philliesrock 1:52 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
2554. Didn't notice that. It must be way stronger near the CoC.
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2557. zoomiami 1:52 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Morning Pat, Tampa

Conversation this morning reminds me of my house - every one disagrees just to disagree.

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2559. MZV 1:54 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Does anyone else think that area to the SE of Bertha is showing some minor organization? Coriolis is weak down there, it could take a while. I haven't tried looping on it yet, just seems to have a little spiral signature to it visually.
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2560. Patrap 1:54 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Good Morning zoo,nice Sunday here .Link
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2561. TampaSpin 1:55 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
One thing of great importance in my opinion. I think it is very important for Bertha to cross the 20N line at or before 55W or she might just stay south.
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2562. Patrap 1:55 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Well.I usually dont use the iggy feature,But its easier than er,being a substitute teacher,LOL
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2563. moonlightcowboy 1:56 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Good morning, gang!

I see the UKMET shifted east, but Bertha has shifted south as the steering has suggested it would do for a couple of days now. Expect the models to follow.

This thing has not played out yet. Anything can still happen including a CONUS landfall.
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2566. TampaSpin 1:57 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
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2569. edith 1:58 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
WOW! An unrelentless, unimaginable, inconceivable, unbelievable, incredible, unthinkable, indescribable, beyond belief, undreamed-of, mind-boggling track WEST! LOL.
2570. Patrap 1:58 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
EFS 500 HPa Spaghetti Diagram Displays Link

Global 12 FT Wave Probability Link
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2573. zoomiami 2:00 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
JFV - its too early on a Sunday morning for all the sarcasm - please stop.
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2575. HurakanPR 2:01 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
hi, if the center of Bertha now at 44w doesn't make a WNW movement will be south of next TF Point.
2576. Patrap 2:01 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Back later after Mass..

Have a good morning posting...
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2577. TampaSpin 2:01 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
2568. DestinJeff 9:58 AM EDT on July 06, 2008
2561. TampaSpin 1:55 PM GMT on July 06, 2008
One thing of great importance in my opinion. I think it is very important for Bertha to cross the 20N line at or before 55W or she might just stay south.

really...? 20N /55W, those coordinates look suspicously familiar. i am with you though, by default and about 20 posts that reference same.


Sorry for double posting i have had that in my blog the last 2 days.....i should have read backwards.

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2580. zoomiami 2:05 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Pat - that is a big glob of rain coming your way.

Having read all the information that I can find about the models and their accuracy, I don't think that anything past 3-4 days has improved.

That said, all the reliance on the 7-10 track is unrealistic. More important is the discussions of the conditions that could either aid the models or change them.

For now, anyone who is lurking needs to know there is a storm out there, where it will go is far from certain, and that it is certainly not time to panic for anyone.

I do get a little concerned about those who post with all the "omg". You are going to scare people who lurk that don't have a lot of knowledge.
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2581. MZV 2:05 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
Now that I've done some looping I think I'll agree with the consensus that the SE blob near Bertha isn't doing anything.

Bertha has been improving nicely on the infrared, though. If she can do that out in the central Atlantic with all that dry air ahead of her, I bet she'd do quite well in Carribean or Bahaman water...
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2583. moonlightcowboy 2:09 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
2574. Yeah, Sammy, I expect they will; but, that'll likely be temporary. Just looking at the new steering suggests a nwest movement now before turning back to the west once again.

But, if it makes it to 20n at or around 50w, that looks to be only brief as the track will likely move back to the west and maybe jog again to the swest. However, at 60w all of the steering levels show a continual movement to the nwest. And, it can still make it out to sea there, but it's going to be a more difficult turn imo. Also, it does put the northern islands in a close threat area, too. And, I still wouldn't rule out a CONUS landfall.

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2586. MasterForecaster 2:11 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
So many people on this blog have no idea what their talking about its so funny...not trying to be rude it's just an observation that I find quite amusing...
2591. FLWeatherFreak91 2:15 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
HA! This is amusing

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2592. drs2008 2:15 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
there appears to be an interesting feature just east of the bahamas is that a small vortex?
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2595. MrSea 2:19 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
about all that forecast shear after 72 hours... if the GFS cant handle the storm, I am not going to trust its shear forecast either. I am not sure about that "arrested development" after 72 hours...and if shear is low, with those HOT water temps off the SE coast, we better watch out
2598. MrSea 2:22 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
lol that would be AM sammy
2599. CATfour 2:22 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
I think the weather ch. path of Bertha is curving the storm a little to much at the end of the period. They need to adj. it more to the south and west.Link
2600. IKE 2:22 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    

2583. moonlightcowboy 9:09 AM CDT on July 06, 2008 Hide this comment.
2574. Yeah, Sammy, I expect they will; but, that'll likely be temporary. Just looking at the new steering suggests a nwest movement now before turning back to the west once again.

But, if it makes it to 20n at or around 50w, that looks to be only brief as the track will likely move back to the west and maybe jog again to the swest. However, at 60w all of the steering levels show a continual movement to the nwest. And, it can still make it out to sea there, but it's going to be a more difficult turn imo. Also, it does put the northern islands in a close threat area, too. And, I still wouldn't rule out a CONUS landfall.



Look what's ahead if it continues WNW>>>

Weaker? West?
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2601. TampaSpin 2:23 PM GMT on July 06, 2008    
5 am Friday path


Current path
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