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Is this year what we can expect?
Posted by: Dr. Ricky Rood, 6:38 PM GMT on August 03, 2011 +11
Is this year what we can expect?

In recent weeks a question I have been asked often, “is this year, the last couple of years, like what we can expect in the future?” The question is often asked quietly, perhaps by a planner, say, someone worried about water in their city. The question follows from not only a perception that the weather is getting “weird,”, but also some small aspect of experience in their job. For example, a water manager recently said they were seeing their local river showing a distinct change to sporadically high flow in the winter, smaller spring flows, and extremely small flow late in the summer. Is this what I should expect in the future? The short answer is yes.

This question of expectation has rolled around in my head for years. I am a gardener with aspirations for small farmer. Over the last 30 years, I have definitely pushed my planting earlier in the year. When I was in Maryland, I felt wet, cool Mays were becoming the “norm,” with my tomatoes sitting in sodden soil. At the same time I would recall plots I had seen in some recent presentation that showed modeled shifts in the warm-cold patterns suggesting springtime cooling in northeastern North America. These are the sorts of casual correlations that lead people to think are we seeing a new “normal.”

In 2008 I wrote a blog about the changes in the hardiness zones that are reported on the back of seed packages. These are the maps that tell us the last frost date, and there were big changes between 1990 and 2006. These changes in the seed packets caught the attention of a lot of people. Recently, NOAA published the “new normal.” This normal relies on the definition of climate as a 30 year average. (AMS Glossary) What was done - at the completion of the decade NOAA recalculated a 30 year average. That is, 1981-2010 rather than 1971-2000. This average changed a lot, with notable warming of nighttime minima. There was some regional reduction of summertime maxima; that is, cooling. All in all, the average temperature went up, with most of the increase in nighttime minimum, a fact that is consistent with both model simulations and fundamental physics. This also came with another update of those hardiness zones.

When trying to interpret climate information and determining how has climate changed and how will it change, the combination of observations, fundamental physics, and models provide three sources of information. The combination of this information and the determination of the quality of that information is subject to interpretation. In the case of determining whether or not we are already experiencing the climate of warming world and how that change will be realized in the next decades it depends on how we use the models.

In my previous entry on heat waves, I implied how to use these pieces of information together. There are fundamental physics in the relationship between temperature and moisture in the air; hot air holds more water; warm water evaporates more quickly. The question of the model is - how well does the model represent the movement of that moisture? For the heat wave example, it is important how well do the models represent persistent high pressure systems over North America in the summer? Are these high pressure systems represented well by the models for the right reasons? The answer to the model question has a range of answers. The model does represent these systems, but if you are an expert in summertime persistent high pressure systems, then you can provide a long list of inadequacies. How can we glean information about the quality of the model? If we look at weather models, then we were able to predict the heat wave – even with the inadequacies that the expert or skeptic can list. Returning to the climate model, do we see like events in the current climate, and do these events change as the planet warms? The answer is yes. Then can we use this to guide our development of plans to adapt to climate change? The answer is yes, if we can connect the model back to data and the fundamental physics. This does become a matter of interpretation – how strong or weak is that connection?

The more I work with planners the more I hear the need for interpretive information, expert guidance, advisories about climate and climate change. People start with the notion that they want digital data from climate models that looks like current weather data. Once presented with 1) the logistical challenges of using that data, 2) the complex nature of the uncertainties associated with that data, and 3) the relative importance of climate to other parts of their decision package – once presented with these facts, they move to the need for advice. This makes sense - most of us want a narrative weather forecast, rather than model output. And the models play the same role in the use of weather forecasts as they do in climate projection. The models guide our thinking, with the ultimate forecast based on that guidance refined by observations and fundamental physics.

This entry started with the question I hear more and more – is this year what we can expect more of in the future? I have a mantra which is that on average the surface of the Earth will warm, ice will melt, sea level will rise, and the weather will change. What we are seeing here is weather changing in a warming, more energy laden, environment. The extraordinary extremes that we have seen in the last year and are seeing this year are quite solidly connected to both fundamental physics and the guidance from climate and weather models. Hence, my answer, as I walk around my garden, thinking how to get better tomatoes next year, thinking about my irrigation system in my doddering retirement, is yes, what we are seeing this year tells me about what to expect in a future that is relevant to me - not something far off.

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1401. overwash12 8:46 PM GMT on August 13, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:


Katrina was all due to government incompetence. The storm wasn't even that bad. I speak from first-hand knowledge and I can go into great detail if you wish.
Plus the fact that alot of New Orleans is below sea level doesn't help either. They have to pump water out in a heavy thunderstorm.
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1402. overwash12 8:51 PM GMT on August 13, 2011    
On a lighter note,how long before a newbie comes on the blog with the handle: SILLYDENIALIST ?
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1403. rod2635 9:06 PM GMT on August 13, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:


Katrina was all due to government incompetence. The storm wasn't even that bad. I speak from first-hand knowledge and I can go into great detail if you wish.


I found it startling that Katrina sat there in the Gulf as a full Cat 5 with New Orleans clearly within its landfall cone while people in authority were discussing (not acting) what should be done. The failure goes deeper, a city expanded into zones well below sea level, dependent on 100% absolute integrity of a series of dikes, and abysmal response and resource deployment when the magnitude of the human disaster was abundantly clear. Apart from New Orleans though, I do seem to recall a rather substantial storm surge in the very eastern corner of Louisiana and Mississippi...pretty bad in spots. It might have been Cat 2/Cat3 at landfall there, but the water ahead of it might have had a Cat 5 memory.
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1405. Neapolitan 10:33 PM GMT on August 13, 2011    
Quoting JBastardi:


Katrina was all due to government incompetence. The storm wasn't even that bad. I speak from first-hand knowledge and I can go into great detail if you wish.

I agree that government incompetence--on both sides of the aisle--made the situation far worse than it needed to be. But I wouldn't agree at all that "the storm wasn't even that bad". From the NHC's TCR on Katrina: "Katrina was an extraordinarily powerful...hurricane that carved a wide swath of catastrophic damage..."
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1406. Neapolitan 10:46 PM GMT on August 13, 2011    
OK, climate sceptics: here's the raw data you wanted

Anyone can now view for themselves the raw data that was at the centre of last year's "climategate" scandal.

Temperature records going back 150 years from 5113 weather stations around the world were yesterday released to the public by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK. The only records missing are from 19 stations in Poland, which refused to allow them to be made public.

"We released [the dataset] to dispel the myths that the data have been inappropriately manipulated, and that we are being secretive," says Trevor Davies, the university's pro-vice-chancellor for research. "Some sceptics argue we must have something to hide, and we've released the data to pull the rug out from those who say there isn't evidence that the global temperature is increasing."

The university were ordered to release data by the UK Information Commissioner's Office, following a freedom-of-information request for the raw data from researchers Jonathan Jones of the University of Oxford and Don Keiller of Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge, UK.

Davies says that the university initially refused on the grounds that the data is not owned by the CRU but by the national meteorological organisations that collect the data and share it with the CRU.

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The end result is that all the records are there, except for Poland's. Davies's only worry is that the decision to release the Trinidad and Tobago data against its wishes may discourage the open sharing of data in the future. Other research organisations may from now on be reluctant to pool data they wish to be kept private.

Thomas Peterson, chief scientist at the National Climatic Data Center of the US National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and president of the Commission for Climatology at the World Meteorological Organization, agrees there might be a cost to releasing the data.

"I have historic temperature data from automatic weather stations on the Greenland ice sheet that I was able to obtain from Denmark only because I agreed not to release them," he says. "If countries come to expect that sharing of any data with anyone will eventually lead to strong pressure for them to fully release those data, will they be less willing to collaborate in the future?"

Davies is confident that genuine and proper analysis of the raw data will reproduce the same incontrovertible conclusion – that global temperatures are rising. "The conclusion is very robust," he says, explaining that the CRU's dataset of land temperatures tally with those from other independent research groups around the world, including those generated by the NOAA and NASA.

"Should people undertake analyses and come up with different conclusions, the way to present them is through publication in peer-reviewed journals, so we know it's been through scientific quality control," says Davies.

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Other mainstream researchers and defenders of the consensus are not so confident that the release will silence the sceptics. "One can hope this might put an end to the interminable discussion of the CRU temperatures, but the experience of GISTEMP – another database that's been available for years – is that the criticisms will continue because there are some people who are never going to be satisfied," says Gavin Schmidt of Columbia University in New York.

"Sadly, I think this will just lead to a new round of attacks on CRU and the Met Office," says Bob Ward, communications director of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics. "Sceptics will pore through the data looking for ways to criticise the processing methodology in an attempt to persuade the public that there's doubt the world has warmed significantly."

The CRU and its leading scientist, Phil Jones, were at the centre of the so-called "climategate" storm in 2009 when the unit was accused of withholding and manipulating data. It was later cleared of the charge.

New Scientist Article...
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1407. Ossqss 1:37 AM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Hummm, interesting day of stuff here again :)

Seems some forgot to take their morning Med's for a self inflicted disorder and then end up with braggarts on an FOIA request that has been viciously fought against for many years and finally had to be honored.

Just like Yamal, another wall falls.......



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1408. cyclonebuster 2:18 AM GMT on August 14, 2011    



SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS TO THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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1409. cyclonebuster 2:50 AM GMT on August 14, 2011    
The heat goes on and drives you mad! You've got nothing left to lose the Tunnels will set you free!


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1410. Neapolitan 3:29 AM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Quoting Ossqss:
Hummm, interesting day of stuff here again :)

Seems some forgot to take their morning Med's for a self inflicted disorder and then end up with braggarts on an FOIA request that has been viciously fought against for many years and finally had to be honored.

Just like Yamal, another wall falls.......




Just can't stop with the personal attacks, can you? That's okay; I understand your frustration.

Now, do you know the whole story? Have you read this article or others as to just why the FOIA requests have been "vicioulsy fought against"> You may wish to educate yourself before making a mistake of Bastardian proportions...
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1411. Ossqss 3:42 AM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Just can't stop with the personal attacks, can you? That's okay; I understand your frustration.

Now, do you know the whole story? Have you read this article or others as to just why the FOIA requests have been "vicioulsy fought against"> You may wish to educate yourself before making a mistake of Bastardian proportions...


LOL, OK! \\

Wrong !

Done, next ?

L8R
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1412. JBastardi 1:07 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Look out! Now "global warming" is being blamed for vampire bat migration northward. What's next?

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1413. nymore 1:25 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Just stopped in to see what is going on same stuff I see. Later
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1414. overwash12 1:38 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Quoting nymore:
Just stopped in to see what is going on same stuff I see. Later
The Oceans are rising,the ice caps are melting,vampire bats migrating northward..... The usual as always!
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1415. JBastardi 1:43 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

I agree that government incompetence--on both sides of the aisle--made the situation far worse than it needed to be. But I wouldn't agree at all that "the storm wasn't even that bad". From the NHC's TCR on Katrina: "Katrina was an extraordinarily powerful...hurricane that carved a wide swath of catastrophic damage..."


Most of the energy went east of N.O. There was a lot of wind, but I've seen worse. The rain amounts weren't much.
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1416. nymore 3:20 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Neapolitan- Please read what a micro burst is you claimed twice on Dr. masters blog it was a micro burst that brought down the stage. Unless a micro burst can go for 60 miles as the storm reports show this was not a micro burst. The comment you made on the article in the Indy paper is false to it is not what you put in but what you left out. The radio guy also said they should be prepared to seek shelter. You are still spreading false information I see some things will never change. BTW there is lots of oil here I mean lots no need to worry about running out for quite sometime.
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1417. Neapolitan 5:16 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Quoting nymore:
Neapolitan- Please read what a micro burst is you claimed twice on Dr. masters blog it was a micro burst that brought down the stage. Unless a micro burst can go for 60 miles as the storm reports show this was not a micro burst. The comment you made on the article in the Indy paper is false to it is not what you put in but what you left out. The radio guy also said they should be prepared to seek shelter. You are still spreading false information I see some things will never change. BTW there is lots of oil here I mean lots no need to worry about running out for quite sometime.

Hey, eddy. Good to see you here. Taking a break from destroying the earth for corporate profit, I see. Good for you!

As for your comment: do you really wanna try this "PWNED" thing again? Because, you know, it hasn't worked out well at all for you, at least not so far. But I do admire your persistence, I really do...
;-)

Anyway, please go back and read all the comments in temporal context, then get back with me so we can discuss, okay? Thanks!
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1418. Neapolitan 5:49 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Quoting Snowlover123:
Wow, I just read what Dr. Masters posted on his blog, and all I can say, is that it is inaccurate and alarmist.

The 12z Euro shows nothing of the sort for "record ice melt" as Dr. Jeff Masters claims. Such statements are not only inaccurate, but alarmist.

A beautiful -DA looks to develop, which should benefit the ice tremendously.



It is in no hurry to melt in "record paces" as Dr. Masters suggests, with 850 mb Temps at -10 Degrees C.

We should see some moderate melts in the next few days or so, and then rapid slowing in melt... contrary to what Dr. Masters suggests. We will see if an amateur can beat a Ph.D in Meteorology.

A quick update: melting has picked up in the past several days, just as Dr. Masters predicted. In fact, yesterday's loss of 127,187 square kilometers was the sixth greatest one-day loss this season (the top five were in the first two weeks of July). In the past 10 days alone, 816,406 square kilometers (315,216 square miles) of Arctic Sea ice were lost. That's an area the size of Texas and Wisconsin combined.

FWIW, from 2002 through 2010, ice extent has only failed to drop below 6,000,000 square kilometers once (in 2003). The average date for breaking the 6,000,000 barrier for the remaining years has been August 19th. This year that line was crossed on the 10th--and the pace is picking up.

Ouch...
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1419. nymore 7:57 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Neapolitan- Let me see this is what you posted word for word last evening post # 1120 "From an apparent thunderstorm-caused microburst" and this from this morning post # 1667 "For any who missed it, here's the microburst that triggered the stage collapse in Indiana last evening." It was not a microburst but a gust front ahead of the storm which started well south and west of the fairgrounds. While it may have been a poor assumption the first time from your lack of mid-western thunderstorm knowledge. The second time is just a lack of getting the actual facts. Never let facts get in the way of one of your assumptions or a good story.
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1420. nymore 8:15 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Neapolitan- Now on to the newspaper article. You posted that the radio guy said the show will go on as if he was recklessly disregarding the weather. What you left out was this. The word was that the show would go on, and that the crowd should be prepared to find shelter if things changed. Some in the crowd sensed the danger and left without further word. But the majority remained. Once again never let facts get in the way when you are trying to drum up an angry reaction or blame. PS maybe they could all sue the NWS for not giving the warning soon enough to evacuate everyone. Surely these professionals with their big degrees should have seen this coming. I personally think it was just an accident caused be nature. I also think everyone assumed it was just some small hail, brief gusty winds and heavy rains. By the time they realized (including the NWS) the winds west and south of them were in excess of 60 to 70 mph it was to late to do anything. I would be willing to bet the first time they realized they were in trouble is when the temperature dropped radically in about 10 seconds before the wind hit.
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1421. nymore 10:31 PM GMT on August 14, 2011    
Quoting nymore:
Neapolitan-
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