Earthquakes and Climate Change:

By: Dr. Ricky Rood , 3:52 PM GMT on October 13, 2011

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Earthquakes and Climate Change: Risks (1)

On March 11, 2011 there was a great earthquake in Tohoku, Japan. This earthquake caused large loss of life and property, and for the focus of this article large parts of the Fukushima nuclear power plant were destroyed. Therein is the link to climate change.



Figure 1: Poster describing 2011 Tohoku, Japan earthquake. (link to a LARGE version of this poster)


Global warming due to carbon dioxide increases is caused primarily by emissions from burning fossil fuels. Hence, there is the, now familiar, link of carbon dioxide to energy use to prosperity to population. Hence, our path to addressing climate change is finding sources of energy that do not emit carbon.

Nuclear power is a controversial issue, which I will discuss more below. But in the minds of many people, nuclear power is part of the paths to solution of the climate change problem. There is no doubt that nuclear power is low carbon, and it is a proven source of energy at societal scale. Below is a comparison of carbon emissions from different sources of energy.




Figure 2: Emissions of carbon dioxide from different sources of energy. This is from The World Nuclear Association.

The World Nuclear Association is an organization that supports the nuclear industry, and they make prominent points about the importance of nuclear energy in addressing climate change. The figure above is from a report that they generated, and it is based on a review of literature. I have looked through the report, and as a non expert, they have done a credible accumulation and reporting of information. The story that is definitive is that carbon dioxide emissions from nuclear power plants is far smaller than from fossil fuel burning, and comparable to the emissions from renewable sources of energy. Given that carbon dioxide, once emitted, is around for many thousands of years, there is an urgency to address our emission levels, and increased use of nuclear energy would benefit the reduction of global warming.

In Japan, the loss of the Fukushima power plant was a loss of a major source of electrical generation. This led to a reduction of manufacturing that had direct effects on the world’s industries and economies. It also fueled and refueled opposition to the development of nuclear power plants. In Japan there have been massive protests opposing building nuclear power plants as well as calling for closing existing plants. There was a time not long ago where Japan, a country dependent on imports for most fossil fuels, was on a path to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions below 1990 levels with the use of nuclear power. Japan has subsequently developed a policy to deemphasize nuclear power with a gradual fade out. Even with a focus on renewable energy, this decision in Japan will inevitably lead to more carbon dioxide emissions in the short term.

What I have thought was most interesting was the response in Germany. Germany decided to close its nuclear power plants by 2022. The Washington Post’s Editorial Board called this reaction to Fukushima a blunder, and there were wide spread comments that Germany’s demand for energy would inevitably lead to more coal use and an increase in both carbon dioxide emissions and public health risks. Germany’s position, however, is that they would accelerate their already aggressive programs in renewable energy. This is an interesting gamble. The challenges of meeting Germany’s energy demands with renewable energy are formidable, but if that challenge is met, then it is likely to provide Germany with technological developments and energy security that gives it huge economic advantage. Here is a nice summary story of Germany’s decision in the Christian Science Monitor.

In the earlier part of the Obama administration there was a renewed interest on nuclear energy in the U.S. Immediately after the 2011 earthquake there was significant decline in the U.S. public interest in nuclear power. This decrease came at a time when public support was at a near peak. Now a few months out, polling by the Nuclear Energy Institute, which is a “policy organization” for the nuclear energy industry, shows modest declines, but with a majority in the U.S. still supporting more nuclear energy.

Looking worldwide, there is no doubt that there will be some countries developing more nuclear energy and there will be some countries where the political environment will reduce the use of nuclear power. With regard to climate, most energy decisions are made with regard to energy needs, energy security and cost. All energy systems have their proponents. All energy systems have environmental impact; therefore, they all have opponents. The net result of this is that we continue to rely on fossil fuels, with increasing stress on energy systems and the environment. There is no doubt that the earthquake in March 2011 in Japan has influenced how we think about nuclear power. Therefore, the earthquake has an influence on how we address the energy issues that are at the root of carbon dioxide emissions and global warming.

There are two points I want to bring forward to carry to the next blog. The first is to reiterate that our world exists in many systems with fragile balance. Our energy systems are vulnerable to relatively small disruptions. Our economy is fragile. Our climate is in a balance where carbon dioxide emissions can drastically alter the balance of water between liquid and ice. The second is that all of these systems are connected. Global risks follow from an earthquake that is localized on the coast of a single island in Japan. It is this sort of systems impacts where the great risks are exposed, where climate change can have near-term impacts.

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Quoting nymore:
I find it hilarious that an I.T. guy was burned by his own occupation, when that person should have known better than anyone how dangerous the net is. It seems your skills lack. can I get An apology now for your attacks or should I say Mr. Watts.


Your humor is somewhat .... strange.

Technology is neither good nor bad. The user of the technology determines how it is used and if it is for good or bad. Why do you think I never use Facebook, Twitter or any other social media site? Even my Gmail account has fictitious information associated with it. ..... Once it is on the Internet, you have lost control of it. You are just as vulnerable as anyone else on the Internet. Do you have a wireless router? Do you use a cell phone? Do you own a house? Do you have credit cards? Do you really think your identity is safe?
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Quoting Ossqss:
Wow, quite the thread.

Couple things.

Perhaps I made a bad attempt at humor prior. I simply referenced publicly available information from various sources (twitter, Linkdin etc). I did not intend to demean anyone, just teach a lesson, if you will. It was just my way of expressing that the excessive use of the "Denier" adjective is really not appropriate. My apologies to Jim.

Now, prior to departure on the hot subject at hand.

Did anyone really think a study done via the same data set would be different. Just sayin, what goes in produces what goes out. No matter how you treat it, the numbers are the same. Even if some come from ships in the mid 1800's.

My shadow will not fall upon this trail for some time. Not a nice place to visit anymore. Log that note Dr. Rood.

All, you make sure you keep up with your passions. That is what makes us function in balance ;)


And gone >>>>>>>>>> Be well!




Okay, so you cyber-stalked me, then thought posting private information about me you'd found was somehow a "humorous" way of retaliating for, and teaching me a lesson about, my use of the term "denier"? Well, why stop there? Why not post my home address? My cell number? My social? My kids' names, and what schools they go to? After all, if you can find it on the internet, it's "publicly available", right? That's not "humorous"; it's creepy, and not too many steps removed from throwing a brick through my window with a note attached that says, "I know where you live."

If this place has become, as you say, "not a nice place to visit anymore", maybe you could start by taking a good, long look in the mirror. Perhaps?
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Quoting Ossqss:
Wow, quite the thread.

Couple things.

Perhaps I made a bad attempt at humor prior. I simply referenced publicly available information from various sources (twitter, Linkdin etc). I did not intend to demean anyone, just teach a lesson, if you will. It was just my way of expressing that the excessive use of the "Denier" adjective is really not appropriate. My apologies to Jim.

Now, prior to departure on the hot subject at hand.

Did anyone really think a study done via the same data set would be different. Just sayin, what goes in produces what goes out. No matter how you treat it, the numbers are the same. Even if some come from ships in the mid 1800's.

My shadow will not fall upon this trail for some time. Not a nice place to visit anymore. Log that note Dr. Rood.

All, you make sure you keep up with your passions. That is what makes us function in balance ;)


I would hate to see you go. We have had some interesting conversations.

As far as using the same data goes, I believe that the study was done to see if the data had been manipulated to show a different result. I believe that they found that the data showed slightly more warming than what was being reported. .. I could be wrong but, that is what I remember.

Great song, by the way. One of your better links.
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Neopolitan Can I get that Apology, Mea Culpa, My bad,now. Karma is a funny thing or are you gonna pull an Anthony Watts?
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Quoting Xandra:

Maybe the winds were 190 mph when she hit land but no one can prove it. It’s still only approximate winds. ;)

Btw.. Megi was a very beautiful Typhoon
I love your link since the winds never got to 190. In a car accident the reconstruction they determine my speed never was I actually clocked as to my speed. But his results are accepted in court like dna that is good enough for me. If you have a problem with Camille I suggest you berate the scientist.
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Camille had a recorded wind sustained at 212mph @ the Seabee Base at the End of Pass road in Gulfport.

Her max Surge was 24 ft near the Broadwater Beach Hotel on Hwy 90.


Camille although a cat 5 @ landfall,,was a small compact Hurricane.

Katrina, a cat 3 at Landfall produced a 30 ft Surge near Waveland and Pass Christian.

Size matters greatly in a major.


One could drive thru Camille's impact area in a Hour.

It took 3 Hours to Drive thru K's impact Zone, Mobile,Ala to Houma,La.


KATRINA NOAA base Map, with thumbnails







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Quoting nymore:
Can you prove it was not 190 mph?

Maybe the winds were 190 mph when she hit land but no one can prove it. It’s still only approximate winds. ;)

Btw.. Megi was a very beautiful Typhoon
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Quoting JBastardi:
Looks like Muller has his hand out just like the rest of the "scientists" pushing AGW.

Link

My, how you guys have turned. A few months ago, Muller was next to God, for his Koch-funded project was going to prove once and for all how deceitful climate sceintists were, and manipulative and wrong and blah blah blah...
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Quoting Xandra:

The table doesn%u2019t show winds at landfall. It shows highest measured winds before she hit land.

Page 298: "No measurement could be obtained of the maxmum winds at the coastline as the storm passed inland because no recording anemometer equioment survived."

Yes, if someone deliberately lying then it is okay to call that person a liar.
Can you prove it was not 190 mph? Can you prove that John Theon deliberately lied? I am just going with scientific analysis concerning Camille maybe your buddy Al should as well. Anymore tricks or twists you wanna try?

BTW since the presentation was set up in advance he had to know he was streeeeeeeeeetching the truth.

FWIW Anemometers rarely measure tornadic winds but we classify the winds by the damage done. Which in Camille's case was 201 it has since been lowered to 190 mph and still the record
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Quoting nymore:
From your NOAA link page 297 Table 3 wind 175kts or 201 mph. page 298 last paragragh velocities probably approached 175kts or 201 mph. It is widely accepted at 190mph

The storm may get 8% more intense but unless a storm can magically make water you can have no more than is in the atmosphere which is 4% more since 1970.

Oh and the last thing it is ok for you to call someone a liar but when the tables are turned it is not ok.

The table doesn’t show winds at landfall. It shows highest measured winds before she hit land.

Page 298: "No measurement could be obtained of the maxmum winds at the coastline as the storm passed inland because no recording anemometer equioment survived."

Yes, if someone deliberately lying then it is okay to call that person a liar.
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Quoting JBastardi:
Looks like Muller has his hand out just like the rest of the "scientists" pushing AGW.

Link

So...it is only your messengers that you don't want killed, is that the story? ;-)

Btw, that link to Watts' site that lambastes the methodologies of BEST is interesting because here is what Watts had to say about that in March of this year: "Different methods yield different results. In science, sometimes methods are tried, published, and then discarded when superior methods become known and accepted. I think, based on what I%u2019ve seen, that BEST has a superior method." Later in that same post he said, "And, I%u2019m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong. I%u2019m taking this bold step because the method has promise."

Now he's posting articles tearing down that method.

I humbly suggest you find a more consistent source of information.
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Looks like Muller has his hand out just like the rest of the "scientists" pushing AGW.

Link
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Quoting JBastardi:
Looks like the BEST project isn't the best. The continued the basic statistical error present in previous temperature compilations. Don't attack the messenger. Attack the facts, if you have the ability.

Link


A complete waste of time. Is that guy actually asserting that there isn't any warming taking place? Seriously? LOL

If he wants to do something useful, then he can prove his point by putting out what the "real" temperature trend is. The data are available on-line to allow him to do so. Several people and groups have. And they have all concluded the same thing that BEST has concluded wrt temperature. It's getting warmer. So if Doug Keenan or Anthony Watts or you yourself want to overturn the accepted science, the data are there just waiting for you to do the work the "right" way. Get it published in a reputable peer-reviewed journal, and then we have something to talk about.

Blog posts aren't going to be very persuasive to those of us interested in science, though.
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Quoting Xandra:

You don%u2019t know that for sure. Camille%u2019s exact wind speed at landfall has always been unknown due to the fact that she destroyed all of the wind measuring devices in the landfall zone.

Two reports from NOAA: Link Link

You haven't listened to what Al Gore says in the video. Gore%u2019s statement is the same that many leading scientists have made, for example one of US leading scientific authorities on climate change and extreme weather Dr. Kevin Trenberth.

Quote Trenberth:

%u201DFor every one degree Fahrenheit increase in sea temperature, the water holding capacity for the atmosphere goes up by 4%. And since the 1970%u2032s on average there%u2019s about a 4% increase in water vapor over the Atlantic Ocean and when that gets caught into a storm, it invigorates the storm so the storm itself changes, and that can easily double the influence of that water vapor and so you can get up to an 8% increase, straight from the amount of water vapor that%u2019s sort of hanging around in the atmosphere. This is reasonably well established.

And Dr. Masters wrote in june:

%u201DHuman-caused climate change has fundamentally altered the atmosphere by adding more heat and moisture. Observations confirm that global atmospheric water vapor has increased by about 4% since 1970, which is what theory says should have happened given the observed 0.5C (0.9F) warming of the planet's oceans during the same period. Shifts of this magnitude are capable of significantly affecting the path and strength of the jet stream, behavior of the planet's monsoons, and paths of rain and snow-bearing weather systems. For example, the average position of the jet stream retreated poleward 270 miles (435 km) during a 22-year period ending in 2001, in line with predictions from climate models. A naturally extreme year, when embedded in such a changed atmosphere, is capable of causing dramatic, unprecedented extremes like we observed during 2010 and 2011%u201D


What%u2019s your problem?

You can't stomach the scientific reality so you attack the messengers instead. That's low...

Btw%u2026 Al Gore is a hero in many ways

From your NOAA link page 297 Table 3 wind 175kts or 201 mph. page 298 last paragragh velocities probably approached 175kts or 201 mph. It is widely accepted at 190mph

The storm may get 8% more intense but unless a storm can magically make water you can have no more than is in the atmosphere which is 4% more since 1970.

Oh and the last thing it is ok for you to call someone a liar but when the tables are turned it is not ok.
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Looks like the BEST project isn't the best. The continued the basic statistical error present in previous temperature compilations. Don't attack the messenger. Attack the facts, if you have the ability.

Link

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Quoting Neapolitan:

Can't let you off that easy, I'm afraid.

Option A) I'd like to know just what in the world would possibly lead you to believe or think that a comment such as "ex-lamb IT receptionist" would apply to me and not to any of the many other people who frequent this site. What is it you're not telling us? And please answer without resorting to elementary school-level insults.

Or (option B) you can just apologize, and I'll forget this ever happened, and we can get back to talking about how soon it'll be until Anthony Watts is working the McDonalds drive-thru--
Let me see you are on the other side of everything he/she says and you work with computers. I don't need sherlock holmes to figure that out. Why would I apologize when I am probably right. As far as grade school insults lets try this one, Working at McDonalds drive thru. Yea that is not a slam that is the nicest thing you can say about someone. LOL

One last thing are you inferring that me and Ossqss are the same person. I see he/she posted comment 201 at 8:13 I also posted also at 8:13 that is a good trick I have to admit you got me. FLMAO

You have some strange Fetish with Watts and Bastardi. Is there something you wanna tell us?
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Quoting nymore:
Xandra: The Manbearpig video is funny I caught ol' Al Lying twice and after that quit watching it.

First lie: Typhoon Megi strongest Storm to strike land. That honor goes to Hurricane Camille at 190 mph and possibly higher.

Second lie: The water vapor comment.

You don’t know that for sure. Camille’s exact wind speed at landfall has always been unknown due to the fact that she destroyed all of the wind measuring devices in the landfall zone.

Two reports from NOAA: Link Link

You haven't listened to what Al Gore says in the video. Gore’s statement is the same that many leading scientists have made, for example one of US leading scientific authorities on climate change and extreme weather Dr. Kevin Trenberth.

Quote Trenberth:

”For every one degree Fahrenheit increase in sea temperature, the water holding capacity for the atmosphere goes up by 4%. And since the 1970′s on average there’s about a 4% increase in water vapor over the Atlantic Ocean and when that gets caught into a storm, it invigorates the storm so the storm itself changes, and that can easily double the influence of that water vapor and so you can get up to an 8% increase, straight from the amount of water vapor that’s sort of hanging around in the atmosphere. This is reasonably well established.

And Dr. Masters wrote in june:

”Human-caused climate change has fundamentally altered the atmosphere by adding more heat and moisture. Observations confirm that global atmospheric water vapor has increased by about 4% since 1970, which is what theory says should have happened given the observed 0.5°C (0.9°F) warming of the planet's oceans during the same period. Shifts of this magnitude are capable of significantly affecting the path and strength of the jet stream, behavior of the planet's monsoons, and paths of rain and snow-bearing weather systems. For example, the average position of the jet stream retreated poleward 270 miles (435 km) during a 22-year period ending in 2001, in line with predictions from climate models. A naturally extreme year, when embedded in such a changed atmosphere, is capable of causing dramatic, unprecedented extremes like we observed during 2010 and 2011”

Quoting nymore:
BTW Xandra and you may want to brace yourself or maybe it would be better if you sat down. Al Gore is a proven liar

What’s your problem?

You can't stomach the scientific reality so you attack the messengers instead. That's low...

Btw… Al Gore is a hero in many ways

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Quoting nymore:
Where in my comment does it say anything about knowing the meaning of the reference. Believe=think it is you. Yes I am confident enough to say it is you and if someone was taking bets I would lay cash on it. Ask Ossqss what it is about if it is that important and stop being a third grade drama queen

Can't let you off that easy, I'm afraid.

Option A) I'd like to know just what in the world would possibly lead you to believe or think that a comment such as "ex-lamb IT receptionist" would apply to me and not to any of the many other people who frequent this site. What is it you're not telling us? And please answer without resorting to elementary school-level insults.

Or (option B) you can just apologize, and I'll forget this ever happened, and we can get back to talking about how soon it'll be until Anthony Watts is working the McDonalds drive-thru--
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Quoting Birthmark:

Ah, but sunrise can be deduced through physics. Internet assertions are a bit dicier.
I'm out for a business meeting BBL hope you can figure out the odds I love a lock wager
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Quoting nymore:
call you odds maker at the book. If I had to guess my side is high on the line, the over is huge and the spread very thick. IOW I am a very heavy favorite to win by a large amount. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow. that is a belief and the betting lines would be similar.

Ah, but sunrise can be deduced through physics. Internet assertions are a bit dicier.
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Quoting Birthmark:
I'm still working through the math. Belief is a hard thing to model when there's no tangible property involved. :)
call you odds maker at the book. If I had to guess my side is high on the line, the over is huge and the spread very thick. IOW I am a very heavy favorite to win by a large amount. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow. that is a belief and the betting lines would be similar.
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I'm still working through the math. Belief is a hard thing to model when there's no tangible property involved. :)
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Quoting Birthmark:

Well, I don't take bets, but I do offer a reasonably priced derivative of that bet. Call for details.

(Need I say "joke?")
What is the moneyline looking like or the over / under and the spread can I parlay? On the derivative I may need to hedge.
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Quoting nymore:
Where in my comment does it say anything about knowing the meaning of the reference. Believe=think it is you. Yes I am confident enough to say it is you and if someone was taking bets I would lay cash on it. Ask Ossqss what it is about and stop being a third grade drama queen

Well, I don't take bets, but I do offer a reasonably priced derivative of that bet. Call for details.

(Need I say "joke?")
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Quoting Neapolitan:

So let me get this right. You felt certain enough that Ossqss's remark ("ex-lamb I.T. receptionist") referred to me that you could safely comment on it to a third party, yet you now claim that you don't know what it means, and that I should go to Ossqss for clarification? Does that about sum it up?
Quoting nymore:
I believe the ex-lamb IT receptionist is Neapolitan. I.T= Information Technology
Where in my comment does it say anything about knowing the meaning of the reference. Believe=think it is you. Yes I am confident enough to say it is you and if someone was taking bets I would lay cash on it. Ask Ossqss what it is about if it is that important and stop being a third grade drama queen
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Quoting JBastardi:
I think I'm going to get into carbon trading or the "renewable" energy business so I can get a loan from the Dept of Energy. But, no, I'm not a Democrat.

Link


Really? You're not a Democrat? Who would have guessed?

(Just to be fair, neither am I a Democrat.)
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I think I'm going to get into carbon trading or the "renewable" energy business so I can get a loan from the Dept of Energy. But, no, I'm not a Democrat.

Link
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Quoting nymore:
Called you names what a donkey. Anyway let me slow down so you can follow along. Rookie said he did not understand what Ossqss meant. I said " I believe (think) the ex-lamb I.T. receptionist (he was referring to) is Neapolitan. You see sir I never used the term (ex-lamb I.T. receptionist) anywhere except in an attempt to answer a question. If you want to know what it means why don't you ask Ossqss.

BTW I have never seen a real man have his feelings get hurt more than a 12 year old girl more than you. You can call me anything you want as I am sure I have been called worse by better than you. Man up

So let me get this right. You felt certain enough that Ossqss's remark ("ex-lamb I.T. receptionist") referred to me that you could safely comment on it to a third party, yet you now claim that you don't know what it means, and that I should go to Ossqss for clarification? Does that about sum it up?
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Quoting Neapolitan:

Seriously, more name-calling? That's a clear violation of the community standards. The thing is, if you and your bestie are going to cryptically refer to me as "ex-lamb I.T. receptionist", the right thing to do would be to explain just what you mean, rather than becoming so frustrated and angry that you say things that will get you banned.

At any rate, in regards to your statement "Your side and Mr. watts side were both wrong", please don't try to pull that false equivalence stuff. Watts has been screaming that the planet hasn't warmed; scientists have been adamant about saying that it has. One side was again proven correct yesterday--and it wasn't the one time small-market TV weather reader.
Called you names what a donkey. Anyway let me slow down so you can follow along. Rookie said he did not understand what Ossqss meant. I said " I believe (think) the ex-lamb I.T. receptionist (he was referring to) is Neapolitan. You see sir I never used the term (ex-lamb I.T. receptionist) anywhere except in an attempt to answer a question. If you want to know what it means why don't you ask Ossqss.

BTW I have never seen a real man have his feelings get hurt more than a 12 year old girl more than you. You can call me anything you want as I am sure I have been called worse by better than you. Man up
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Quoting overwash12:
If this holds true,Florida is going to get small! Link Read the whole article,sea level rose a long time ago, naturally.


The Miami Heat will be known as The Miami Deep?
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Quoting nymore:
Ok thermometer A reads 80F for I'll make this short 7 days. thermometer B reads 85F, 92F, 81F, 103F, 95F, 87F, and 90F. How do you judge in inaccuracy of thermometer B




This link is able to explain it far better than I am able to do
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If this holds true,Florida is going to get small! Link Read the whole article,sea level rose a long time ago, naturally.
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Quoting JBastardi:


Since you're so fond of the peer-review process, can you tell me if any of BEST pronouncements have been peer-reviews?


Well, JB.
Since the papers and data are available on their website for your (and anyone's) perusal, why don't you be a responsible human being and read them and comment upon them? That is, if you are qualified to do so.
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Quoting nymore:
Hey jackass (donkey) I was trying to answer a question from Rookie (post251). I don't care if your a has been or never was in IT and I don't give a shite about your fetish Anthony Watts, if he is wrong or not. I have never used him for info anyway. I can see why both the radical warmist and radical denialist are a little testy though. If it turns out the Ocean has big hand in the game and man has a hand in the game. Your side and Mr. watts side were both wrong and more sensible people like me who said both natural and man-made were correct. Have a nice day.

Seriously, more name-calling? That's a clear violation of the community standards. The thing is, if you and your bestie are going to cryptically refer to me as "ex-lamb I.T. receptionist", the right thing to do would be to explain just what you mean, rather than becoming so frustrated and angry that you say things that will get you banned.

At any rate, in regards to your statement "Your side and Mr. watts side were both wrong", please don't try to pull that false equivalence stuff. Watts has been screaming that the planet hasn't warmed; scientists have been adamant about saying that it has. One side was again proven correct yesterday--and it wasn't the one time small-market TV weather reader.
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Quoting JBastardi:


Since you're so fond of the peer-review process, can you tell me if any of BEST pronouncements have been peer-reviews?

What's most laughable about this is that denialists--prompted by Watts and Bastardi, etc.--were up in arms yesterday and again this morning absolutely slamming the BEST results, saying they're not legitimate because they aren't peer-reviewed. But then the second those results are published in a legitimate peer-reviewed journal (which they eventually will be), the same group will be telling us how the entire peer-review process isn't legitimate, so the results themselves can't possibly be.

Ah, denialism: the humorous gift that keeps on giving...
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Quoting nymore:
I believe the ex-lamb IT receptionist is Neapolitan. I.T= Information Technology

What? "ex-lamb"? "Receptionist"? I saw where your bestie Ossqss wrote this earlier. If that's supposed to be referring to me, I'm afraid you've both been puffing from the same pipe. I have worked in IT (software development, website creation, hardware support, independent consulting, management, etc.), but beyond that, you've lost me. Care to elucidate? Or is this just another baseless hit-and-run ad hominem? If so, I suppose I understand; denialist hero and Last Best Hope Anthony Watts was permanently tossed to the curb yesterday, his life's work in shambles. The not-so-mighty Casey has struck out once more and forever, so the sense of desperation must be acute, and the desire to lash out at those on the winning side nearly overwhelming. But please try to maintain some semblance of professional decorum. Thanks!
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Quoting nymore:
I think you missed the point on both accounts, but that is ok. Have a good night sir


Well, it would not be the first time. Enjoy your evening, sir. As usual, thank you, for your conversations.
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Should thermometer "A" show a constant reading of 80 degrees, over a 7 day period, then I believe it would be safe to say that someone painted a red strip inside the thermometer and that it contains no mercury. You could not use this thermometer as a base reading. Unless, of course, the actual temperature showed no variations over that 7 day period.

Do you own any aquariums? I have several. When I bought the thermometers, I selected the ones that showed the closet readings, to each other, before I bought them. There would be as much as a 4 degree variation among about 10 thermometers being displayed. This really doesn't matter in so much as I am interested in the temperature changes, within the aquariums. Any of the thermometers would have have indicated a rise or fall, in temperature, but I wanted the ones that showed the closet starting point.
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I work in IT and we have no receptionist. We have direct contact. ...sadly >>>>> "My printer will not print!" .... Well, you just printed to the one down the hall. ;-)
I think you missed the point on both accounts, but that is ok. Have a good night sir
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Quoting nymore:
I believe the ex-lamb IT receptionist is Neapolitan. I.T= Information Technology


I work in IT and we have no receptionist. We have direct contact. ...sadly >>>>> "My printer will not print!" .... Well, you just printed to the one down the hall. ;-)
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Quoting nymore:
Thermometer A is representing a baseline


Should thermometer "A" show a constant reading of 80 degrees, over a 7 day period, then I believe it would be safe to say that someone painted a red strip inside the thermometer and that it contains no mercury. You could not use this thermometer as a base reading. Unless, of course, the actual temperature showed no variations over that 7 day period.

Do you own any aquariums? I have several. When I bought the thermometers, I selected the ones that showed the closet readings, to each other, before I bought them. There would be as much as a 4 degree variation among about 10 thermometers being displayed. This really doesn't matter in so much as I am interested in the temperature changes, within the aquariums. Any of the thermometers would have have indicated a rise or fall, in temperature, but I wanted the ones that showed the closet starting point.
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They are the authors ?


,,No.

But thanks for playing.

And "Thanx" for the quote.





How do we know the Earth's climate is warming?


Thousands of land and ocean temperature measurements are recorded each day around the globe. This includes measurements from climate reference stations, weather stations, ships, buoys and autonomous gliders in the oceans.

These surface measurements are also supplemented with satellite measurements. These measurements are processed, examined for random and systematic errors, and then finally combined to produce a time series of global average temperature change.

A number of agencies around the world have produced datasets of global-scale changes in surface temperature using different techniques to process the data and remove measurement errors that could lead to false interpretations of temperature trends.

The warming trend that is apparent in all of the independent methods of calculating global temperature change is also confirmed by other independent observations, such as the melting of mountain glaciers on every continent, reductions in the extent of snow cover, earlier blooming of plants in spring, a shorter ice season on lakes and rivers, ocean heat content, reduced arctic sea ice, and rising sea levels.

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State of the Climate
Global Hazards
September 2011
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Climatic Data Center




The sweltering heat that gripped the southern United States throughout the summer continued to set records into the first half of September. On the 13th, Wichita Falls, Texas recorded its 100th day of 100F (37.8C) temperatures in 2011, shattering the old record of 79 days set in 1980. This is the first time in recorded history that any Texas locale has achieved this distinction.
That same day, Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas recorded its most 100F days in a calendar year, 70, breaking the previous record set in 1980. It is interesting to note how that record was broken the temperature reached 107F (41.7C) on the 70th day, surpassing the previous daily record set in 1965 by a full 7F (4C). For the summer (June through August), the state of Texas recorded the hottest summer for any state since records began in 1895. Neighboring Oklahoma had the second hottest summer for any state on record. At least 46 deaths in Texas and 20 deaths in Oklahoma were attributed to the heat
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Actually, I would be more suspect of the one that showed no variations. But, that is just me.
Thermometer A is representing a baseline
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:
Post# 236

"ahhahahaha, sorry, you made me laugh and I needed that after a long day of work :)"
I do not mind bringing you some light humor. I am pleased to know that you can be so easily entertained.

"Ya know, the real problem is you have no viable solutions. Really, do some math.
I have done the math and I have offered a realistic, viable solution. Albeit, it is a partial solution. You probably will not like it, for it involves some self sacrifice in what you use and in how you use it. Conserve what you use and recycle what you discard. Without using this approach, there is no realistic energy source to use in the future. Carbon based fuels will not do it. Nuclear energy will not do it. Solar and wind will not do so since both of these technologies require rare earths. Geothermal technologies will not supply all of our needs. Sooooooooooo, guess which approach is our best approach, for now? Conservation and recycling.

"....ex-lamb IT receptionist."
????????? - not a clue as to what this means. IT has a receptionist?

"It is quite obvious to those who can see through the smoke and mirrors."
Yes, isn't it? I just never thought that you would ever admit to your modus operandi. Well, there is also that forensic linguistics thingy that you also use. You cast quite the "profile".

"I am all about efficiency and less pollution, but live in the real world, unlike many that post here.
Would you elaborate a little further on this thought for me, please? What is the "real world", as you see it, and does this involve your not practicing polluting less and could care less for more efficiency because of your concept of "the real world"? Just exactly what does your statement mean?

"Don't worry, things will get better next year when the weakest administration in this countries history is evicted."
Politics? Really? ... OK, politics is actually my favorite topic of debate. Let us see what you have have written:
The weakest administration in this country - I thought you wanted less government. The stronger the administration, the more likely for there to be more government.
Let us break this down a little further. G.W. Bush was one of the worst presidents this nation has had to endure. B.H. Obama II has continued every G.W. Bush foreign and domestic policy. Therefore, by such association, B.H. Obama II deserves a place with G.W. Bush and his own ineptness.
Why do you so easily assume that B.H. Obama II will be so easily "evicted"? Have you seen the Republican party presidential hopeful's lineup? Some of them may be the darlings of the far right, but I do not so readily believe that the voters are so eager to shift to the far right. We shall see. ... Me? I will vote for Ron Paul again, even though he has become more eccentric since his last bid, for the office.

"Occupy "Washington" will be about people who actually have a life and are productive citizens who can create jobs."
Nice play on words. Do you know who will actually occupy Washington? The same ones that have done so, for decades. The answer, professional lobbyist. When you "own" them, you own the political direction of this country and, quite possibly, the world.
As far as creating jobs goes, jobs are being created now. Nearly all of them are overseas and, domestically, to illegal aliens. How do you plan to get around that? I, for one, would love to know.
I believe the ex-lamb IT receptionist is Neapolitan. I.T= Information Technology
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Quoting nymore:
Ok thermometer A reads 80F for I'll make this short 7 days. thermometer B reads 85F, 92F, 81F, 103F, 95F, 87F, and 90F. How do you judge in inaccuracy of thermometer B


Actually, I would be more suspect of the one that showed no variations. But, that is just me.
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Post# 236

"ahhahahaha, sorry, you made me laugh and I needed that after a long day of work :)"
I do not mind bringing you some light humor. I am pleased to know that you can be so easily entertained.

"Ya know, the real problem is you have no viable solutions. Really, do some math.
I have done the math and I have offered a realistic, viable solution. Albeit, it is a partial solution. You probably will not like it, for it involves some self sacrifice in what you use and in how you use it. Conserve what you use and recycle what you discard. Without using this approach, there is no realistic energy source to use in the future. Carbon based fuels will not do it. Nuclear energy will not do it. Solar and wind will not do so since both of these technologies require rare earths. Geothermal technologies will not supply all of our needs. Sooooooooooo, guess which approach is our best approach, for now? Conservation and recycling.

"....ex-lamb IT receptionist."
????????? - not a clue as to what this means. IT has a receptionist?

"It is quite obvious to those who can see through the smoke and mirrors."
Yes, isn't it? I just never thought that you would ever admit to your modus operandi. Well, there is also that forensic linguistics thingy that you also use. You cast quite the "profile".

"I am all about efficiency and less pollution, but live in the real world, unlike many that post here.
Would you elaborate a little further on this thought for me, please? What is the "real world", as you see it, and does this involve your not practicing polluting less and could care less for more efficiency because of your concept of "the real world"? Just exactly what does your statement mean?

"Don't worry, things will get better next year when the weakest administration in this countries history is evicted."
Politics? Really? ... OK, politics is actually my favorite topic of debate. Let us see what you have have written:
The weakest administration in this country - I thought you wanted less government. The stronger the administration, the more likely for there to be more government.
Let us break this down a little further. G.W. Bush was one of the worst presidents this nation has had to endure. B.H. Obama II has continued every G.W. Bush foreign and domestic policy. Therefore, by such association, B.H. Obama II deserves a place with G.W. Bush and his own ineptness.
Why do you so easily assume that B.H. Obama II will be so easily "evicted"? Have you seen the Republican party presidential hopeful's lineup? Some of them may be the darlings of the far right, but I do not so readily believe that the voters are so eager to shift to the far right. We shall see. ... Me? I will vote for Ron Paul again, even though he has become more eccentric since his last bid, for the office.

"Occupy "Washington" will be about people who actually have a life and are productive citizens who can create jobs."
Nice play on words. Do you know who will actually occupy Washington? The same ones that have done so, for decades. The answer, professional lobbyist. When you "own" them, you own the political direction of this country and, quite possibly, the world.
As far as creating jobs goes, jobs are being created now. Nearly all of them are overseas and, domestically, to illegal aliens. How do you plan to get around that? I, for one, would love to know.
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Quoting nymore:
Ok thermometer A reads 80F for I'll make this short 7 days. thermometer B reads 85F, 92F, 81F, 103F, 95F, 87F, and 90F. How do you judge in inaccuracy of thermometer B

I don't worry about it. What I'm interested in is a very much longer time frame. Instead, I look in thirty years to see what either of those thermometers is saying. If both say it is 5F warmer, then there is good reason to conclude that it is 5F warmer now than it was 30 years ago.
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I'm a professor at U Michigan and lead a course on climate change problem solving. These articles often come from and contribute to the course.