Earthquakes and Climate Change:

By: Dr. Ricky Rood , 3:52 PM GMT on October 13, 2011

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Earthquakes and Climate Change: Risks (1)

On March 11, 2011 there was a great earthquake in Tohoku, Japan. This earthquake caused large loss of life and property, and for the focus of this article large parts of the Fukushima nuclear power plant were destroyed. Therein is the link to climate change.



Figure 1: Poster describing 2011 Tohoku, Japan earthquake. (link to a LARGE version of this poster)


Global warming due to carbon dioxide increases is caused primarily by emissions from burning fossil fuels. Hence, there is the, now familiar, link of carbon dioxide to energy use to prosperity to population. Hence, our path to addressing climate change is finding sources of energy that do not emit carbon.

Nuclear power is a controversial issue, which I will discuss more below. But in the minds of many people, nuclear power is part of the paths to solution of the climate change problem. There is no doubt that nuclear power is low carbon, and it is a proven source of energy at societal scale. Below is a comparison of carbon emissions from different sources of energy.




Figure 2: Emissions of carbon dioxide from different sources of energy. This is from The World Nuclear Association.

The World Nuclear Association is an organization that supports the nuclear industry, and they make prominent points about the importance of nuclear energy in addressing climate change. The figure above is from a report that they generated, and it is based on a review of literature. I have looked through the report, and as a non expert, they have done a credible accumulation and reporting of information. The story that is definitive is that carbon dioxide emissions from nuclear power plants is far smaller than from fossil fuel burning, and comparable to the emissions from renewable sources of energy. Given that carbon dioxide, once emitted, is around for many thousands of years, there is an urgency to address our emission levels, and increased use of nuclear energy would benefit the reduction of global warming.

In Japan, the loss of the Fukushima power plant was a loss of a major source of electrical generation. This led to a reduction of manufacturing that had direct effects on the world’s industries and economies. It also fueled and refueled opposition to the development of nuclear power plants. In Japan there have been massive protests opposing building nuclear power plants as well as calling for closing existing plants. There was a time not long ago where Japan, a country dependent on imports for most fossil fuels, was on a path to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions below 1990 levels with the use of nuclear power. Japan has subsequently developed a policy to deemphasize nuclear power with a gradual fade out. Even with a focus on renewable energy, this decision in Japan will inevitably lead to more carbon dioxide emissions in the short term.

What I have thought was most interesting was the response in Germany. Germany decided to close its nuclear power plants by 2022. The Washington Post’s Editorial Board called this reaction to Fukushima a blunder, and there were wide spread comments that Germany’s demand for energy would inevitably lead to more coal use and an increase in both carbon dioxide emissions and public health risks. Germany’s position, however, is that they would accelerate their already aggressive programs in renewable energy. This is an interesting gamble. The challenges of meeting Germany’s energy demands with renewable energy are formidable, but if that challenge is met, then it is likely to provide Germany with technological developments and energy security that gives it huge economic advantage. Here is a nice summary story of Germany’s decision in the Christian Science Monitor.

In the earlier part of the Obama administration there was a renewed interest on nuclear energy in the U.S. Immediately after the 2011 earthquake there was significant decline in the U.S. public interest in nuclear power. This decrease came at a time when public support was at a near peak. Now a few months out, polling by the Nuclear Energy Institute, which is a “policy organization” for the nuclear energy industry, shows modest declines, but with a majority in the U.S. still supporting more nuclear energy.

Looking worldwide, there is no doubt that there will be some countries developing more nuclear energy and there will be some countries where the political environment will reduce the use of nuclear power. With regard to climate, most energy decisions are made with regard to energy needs, energy security and cost. All energy systems have their proponents. All energy systems have environmental impact; therefore, they all have opponents. The net result of this is that we continue to rely on fossil fuels, with increasing stress on energy systems and the environment. There is no doubt that the earthquake in March 2011 in Japan has influenced how we think about nuclear power. Therefore, the earthquake has an influence on how we address the energy issues that are at the root of carbon dioxide emissions and global warming.

There are two points I want to bring forward to carry to the next blog. The first is to reiterate that our world exists in many systems with fragile balance. Our energy systems are vulnerable to relatively small disruptions. Our economy is fragile. Our climate is in a balance where carbon dioxide emissions can drastically alter the balance of water between liquid and ice. The second is that all of these systems are connected. Global risks follow from an earthquake that is localized on the coast of a single island in Japan. It is this sort of systems impacts where the great risks are exposed, where climate change can have near-term impacts.

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Texas officials censored climate change report
16:40 17 October 2011
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If "global warming" is all about science, why do climatologists who support the theory of AGW have to hide their correspondences and the methodology by which they arrive at their questionable findings?

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Quoting Neapolitan:
The September climate report has been released. Joe Bastardi swore to me that it would be a cool--if not downright cold--month. For that reason, I can't wait to see the global chart; if he's right (and when has he ever been wrong?), that map should be predominantly blue. Oh, wait! Here it comes! Lots of blue! Come on! Lots of blue! Lots of blue! Lots of bl--

Uh-oh

Huh?! That wasn't supposed to happen.

Hmmmm.....

Okay.

Ahem.

Listen: October is what we meant. Yes, October will be the start of Global Cooling. Joe Bastardi says he was just off a bit, that's all. So just you wait and see. October will be the start of the Ice Age.


WOW! I guess he knows more than NOAA does!

Global Highlights

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for September 2011 was the eighth warmest on record at 15.53C (59.95F), which is (0.53C) 0.95F above the 20th century average of 15.0C (59.0F). The margin of error associated with this temperature is /- 0.11C (0.20F).
Separately, the global land surface temperature was 0.87C (1.57F) above the 20th century average of 12.0C (53.6F), making this the fourth warmest September on record. The margin of error is /- 0.24C (0.43F).
The September global ocean surface temperature was 0.40C (0.72F) above the 20th century average of 16.2C (61.1F), making it the 14th warmest September on record. The margin of error is /- 0.04C (0.07F).
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January September period was 0.51C (0.92F) above the 20th century average of 14.1C (57.5F), making it the 11th warmest such period on record. The margin of error is /- 0.10C (0.18F).
The January September worldwide land surface temperature was 0.80C (1.44F) above the 20th century average the 7th warmest such period on record. The margin of error is /- 0.20C (0.36F). The global ocean surface temperature for the year to date was 0.41C (0.74F) above the 20th century average and was the 12th warmest such period on record. The margin of error is /- 0.04C (0.07F).

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The September climate report has been released. Joe Bastardi swore to me that it would be a cool--if not downright cold--month. For that reason, I can't wait to see the global chart; if he's right (and when has he ever been wrong?), that map should be predominantly blue. Oh, wait! Here it comes! Lots of blue! Come on! Lots of blue! Lots of blue! Lots of bl--

Uh-oh

Huh?! That wasn't supposed to happen.

Hmmmm.....

Okay.

Ahem.

Listen: October is what we meant. Yes, October will be the start of Global Cooling. Joe Bastardi says he was just off a bit, that's all. So just you wait and see. October will be the start of the Ice Age.
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Quoting overwash12:
Did somebody get Marooned?


1. maroon 319 up, 76 down

A term of derision often uttered by Bugs Bunny when referring to an interaction with a dopey adversary. It is a mispronunciation of the word "Moron"
"What a Maroon!" "Will ya get a load of this maroon"
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2. maroon 109 up, 59 down

1. A color between red and brown
2. A stupid person; a fool
1. She's wearing maroon pants
2. "What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny
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A term used for runaway African slaves in the West Indies now known as the Caribbean.
At one time the teams at Missisippi State University were called the Maroons. Now they are now known as the Bulldogs.

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Quoting cyclonebuster:


Sure! Your hair can grow back after chemotherapy. Carbon fuel byproducts are known carcinogens. Hopefully, you didn't lose your hair because of them! One of these days you "MAROONS" may realize this!
Did somebody get Marooned?
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Quoting martinitony:


Lake Erie Algae

If the lake had huge amounts of algae 50 years ago, why would we now suggest the current problem is related to a different type of cause than the former event? Oh wait, climate change causes all undesired problems.
Do you guys think, if we stop using carbon fuels, my hair will grow back? Try that one and you maroons might gather a new constituency.


Sure! Your hair can grow back after chemotherapy. Carbon fuel byproducts are known carcinogens. Hopefully, you didn't lose your hair because of them! One of these days you "MAROONS" may realize this!
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Quoting cyclonebuster:


Also doesn't warmer water cause more algae blooms?


Lake Erie Algae

If the lake had huge amounts of algae 50 years ago, why would we now suggest the current problem is related to a different type of cause than the former event? Oh wait, climate change causes all undesired problems.
Do you guys think, if we stop using carbon fuels, my hair will grow back? Try that one and you maroons might gather a new constituency.
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Quoting JBastardi:


Just remember, liberalism is a mental disorder.


Weird because this is what I get from dictionary.com

lib%uFFFDer%uFFFDal%u2002 %u2002[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
Synonyms
1. progressive. 7. broad-minded, unprejudiced. 9. beneficent, charitable, openhanded, munificent, unstinting, lavish. See generous. 10. See ample.

1. reactionary. 8. intolerant. 9, 10. niggardly.

I don't know I would say the three antonyms of liberal seem more like mental disorders wouldn't you say?

Edit- Forgot this too:
Related Words for : liberal
broad, large-minded, tolerant, progressive
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Quoting JBastardi:


Just remember, liberalism is a mental disorder.


So is denialism!
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Quoting Neapolitan:

"Republicans for the environment" is like "brothel workers for celibacy". ;-) Seriously, though, while I appreciate the sentiment, it's hard to take that group seriously when they say things like, "We are blessed with abundant natural gas resources...Fracking must continue". :-\


Just remember, liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Quoting overwash12:
I found some republicans for the environmentLink

"Republicans for the environment" is like "brothel workers for celibacy". ;-) Seriously, though, while I appreciate the sentiment, it's hard to take that group seriously when they say things like, "We are blessed with abundant natural gas resources...Fracking must continue". :-\
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Quoting misanthrope:

Sorry, but I'm not buying the "they are one in the same" nonsense. If you've watched any of the Republican debates, you should have some idea of how far right the modern Republican party has moved. I can give you lots of examples but we'll start with just one from today's Times:

G.O.P. vs. the Environment

I found some republicans for the environmentLink
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Quoting Neapolitan:

Denialists have a pathological obsession with Al Gore. The very name sends them into fits of rage. I believe that's simply because the esteemed and brilliant Mr. Gore has done more to bring the issue of GW/CC to the fore than has anyone else. You know: blame the messenger, not the mess.


Correct the ignats think Gore discovered the Keeling Curve when all he does is reference it.
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Quoting Xandra:

"....leaders of the International Joint Commission said his comments about the Great Lakes were based on findings of scientists in the region.

"He's quoting what the researchers are saying," said Ted Yuzyk, the Canadian co-chairman of an IJC group that plans to release a report next spring on how climate change is affecting the lakes.”

Denialists have a pathological obsession with Al Gore. The very name sends them into fits of rage. I believe that's simply because the esteemed and brilliant Mr. Gore has done more to bring the issue of GW/CC to the fore than has anyone else. You know: blame the messenger, not the mess.
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Quoting nymore:
Will Al Gore ever stop giving bad info to the uninformed. I see he is blaming GW for the algae problem even the article posted says mussels or phosphorous.

BTW it can't be linked to phosphorous either as a report was released just before old Al took the stage saying there is no hard evidence the bloom was caused by phosphorous. The report came from the I.J.C which watch the lakes, it is made up from both the U.S. and Canada.

"....leaders of the International Joint Commission said his comments about the Great Lakes were based on findings of scientists in the region.

"He's quoting what the researchers are saying," said Ted Yuzyk, the Canadian co-chairman of an IJC group that plans to release a report next spring on how climate change is affecting the lakes.”
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Quoting ycd0108:
I meant to read this blog earlier but was kinda' busy.
It's not too bad here (climate change argument wise) but I think Rick has a good point: Maybe we have to use Nukes to get a bit farther.
I don't like it that way but the alternatives are just plain UGLY! And I'm not talking about alternative energy.
Without cheap power I (and you) will be chilly (or in some cases too hot) and out of communication. In my case there will be no water to flush or bathe or cook. I live in the "country" so I can burn firewood and go to the creek for water but in a city this infrastructure is beyond essential: without a stable power supply most towns would be disaster zones in one day. Some people here have seen this happen temporarily, Patrap showed me about New Orleans. Just imagine if there was no going back to "Normal".


All good except for Gulfstream kinetic energy beats nuclear energy for a few good reasons.
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Quoting misanthrope:

Sorry, but I'm not buying the "they are one in the same" nonsense. If you've watched any of the Republican debates, you should have some idea of how far right the modern Republican party has moved. I can give you lots of examples but we'll start with just one from today's Times:

G.O.P. vs. the Environment



You are correct sir!
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I meant to read this blog earlier but was kinda' busy.
It's not too bad here (climate change argument wise) but I think Rick has a good point: Maybe we have to use Nukes to get a bit farther.
I don't like it that way but the alternatives are just plain UGLY! And I'm not talking about alternative energy.
Without cheap power I (and you) will be chilly (or in some cases too hot) and out of communication. In my case there will be no water to flush or bathe or cook. I live in the "country" so I can burn firewood and go to the creek for water but in a city this infrastructure is beyond essential: without a stable power supply most towns would be disaster zones in one day. Some people here have seen this happen temporarily, Patrap showed me about New Orleans. Just imagine if there was no going back to "Normal".
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Quoting misanthrope:

Sorry, but I'm not buying the "they are one in the same" nonsense. If you've watched any of the Republican debates, you should have some idea of how far right the modern Republican party has moved. I can give you lots of examples but we'll start with just one from today's Times:

G.O.P. vs. the Environment

Now we have people getting info from the editorial and opinion pages. You know I have never seen bias from either side in those pages.
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Quoting overwash12:
I agree,except you need to include both dems and republicans as they are one in the same.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the "they are one in the same" nonsense. If you've watched any of the Republican debates, you should have some idea of how far right the modern Republican party has moved. I can give you lots of examples but we'll start with just one from today's Times:

G.O.P. vs. the Environment

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Quoting Patrap:
Lake Erie's Toxic Algae Bloom Seen From Space: Green Scum Rampant In The Great Lakes (PHOTOS)



Toxic algae is sucking the oxygen out of Lake Erie.

The lake is currently undergoing one of the worst algae blooms in decades, turning the water a scummy bright green. According to NASA, blooms like this did occur in the 1950's and 60's, but now phosphorus from farms, sewage, and industry have fertilized the waters.

After the 60's, increased regulations and improvements in agriculture and sewage treatment limited the phosphorus and helped to control the blooms. However, the shallower Western basin near Detroit has been more susceptible to the algae than other deeper areas.

The exact reason behind the bloom is a bit unclear, but scientists believe it could be linked to increased rainfall and, believe it or not, mussels. It seems the types of mussel, zebra and quagga that have invaded the lake feed on phytoplankton instead of algae, making it even easier for the blooms to occur, according to NASA.

While the algae doesn't directly kill fish, it's still not good. As the algae dies, it's broken down by bacteria which uses oxygen from the water. This oxygen removal creates areas where fish can't survive. In addition, if consumed, it can also create flu-like symptoms in people or even kill pets.

Former Vice President Al Gore spoke Thursday in Detroit on the matter, associating climate change with the algae problem. "We're still acting as if it's perfectly OK to use this thin-shelled atmosphere as an open sewer. It's not OK," he said. "We need to listen to the scientists. We need to use the tried and true method of using the best evidence, debating and discussing it, but not pretending that facts are not facts."

While in the past, some have criticized Gore, claiming that he's made exaggerated statements about the environment, yesterday's speech drew upon some pretty hard scientific evidence, leading many leaders at the International Joint Commission to listen a bit more intently.

This past summer, an algae bloom spread across a beach in China, dying everything in its path "a shocking bright green."
Will Al Gore ever stop giving bad info to the uninformed. I see he is blaming GW for the algae problem even the article posted says mussels or phosphorous.

I have a question what caused algae blooms before GW.

BTW it can't be linked to phosphorous either as a report was released just before old Al took the stage saying there is no hard evidence the bloom was caused by phosphorous. The report came from the I.J.C which watch the lakes, it is made up from both the U.S. and Canada.

Here is an idea maybe Al is using another natural act to make a point, pathetic idiot open mouth insert foot. You will have to try harder Manbearpig (pop culture for Al Gore)
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Quoting overwash12:
I agree,except you need to include both dems and republicans as they are one in the same.

At the highest levels of the parties, there's much truth in what you say; it's all about power and money. But I'm not talking about the parties, but rather the philosophies of individuals. And where that's concerned, the truly progressive mindset is vastly different from the truly conservative mindset. I think that much is beyond dispute...
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Quoting Neapolitan:

I believe their thinking is that they'll fatten themselves up as much as they can now on fossil fuel dollars. When the bills really start coming due--as some already are--they'll be dead and buried. It's always been that way with some people: all that matters is the now. Let the children and grandchildren figure out how to untangle the mess we've handed down to them; we won't be around to hear their complaints...
I agree,except you need to include both dems and republicans as they are one in the same.
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It's about to get cold and more than likely,colder yet in January! Winter is coming.
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Quoting Patrap:
Lake Erie's Toxic Algae Bloom Seen From Space: Green Scum Rampant In The Great Lakes (PHOTOS)



Toxic algae is sucking the oxygen out of Lake Erie.

The lake is currently undergoing one of the worst algae blooms in decades, turning the water a scummy bright green. According to NASA, blooms like this did occur in the 1950's and 60's, but now phosphorus from farms, sewage, and industry have fertilized the waters.

After the 60's, increased regulations and improvements in agriculture and sewage treatment limited the phosphorus and helped to control the blooms. However, the shallower Western basin near Detroit has been more susceptible to the algae than other deeper areas.

The exact reason behind the bloom is a bit unclear, but scientists believe it could be linked to increased rainfall and, believe it or not, mussels. It seems the types of mussel, zebra and quagga that have invaded the lake feed on phytoplankton instead of algae, making it even easier for the blooms to occur, according to NASA.

While the algae doesn't directly kill fish, it's still not good. As the algae dies, it's broken down by bacteria which uses oxygen from the water. This oxygen removal creates areas where fish can't survive. In addition, if consumed, it can also create flu-like symptoms in people or even kill pets.

Former Vice President Al Gore spoke Thursday in Detroit on the matter, associating climate change with the algae problem. "We're still acting as if it's perfectly OK to use this thin-shelled atmosphere as an open sewer. It's not OK," he said. "We need to listen to the scientists. We need to use the tried and true method of using the best evidence, debating and discussing it, but not pretending that facts are not facts."

While in the past, some have criticized Gore, claiming that he's made exaggerated statements about the environment, yesterday's speech drew upon some pretty hard scientific evidence, leading many leaders at the International Joint Commission to listen a bit more intently.

This past summer, an algae bloom spread across a beach in China, dying everything in its path "a shocking bright green."


Also doesn't warmer water cause more algae blooms?
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Lake Erie's Toxic Algae Bloom Seen From Space: Green Scum Rampant In The Great Lakes (PHOTOS)



Toxic algae is sucking the oxygen out of Lake Erie.

The lake is currently undergoing one of the worst algae blooms in decades, turning the water a scummy bright green. According to NASA, blooms like this did occur in the 1950's and 60's, but now phosphorus from farms, sewage, and industry have fertilized the waters.

After the 60's, increased regulations and improvements in agriculture and sewage treatment limited the phosphorus and helped to control the blooms. However, the shallower Western basin near Detroit has been more susceptible to the algae than other deeper areas.

The exact reason behind the bloom is a bit unclear, but scientists believe it could be linked to increased rainfall and, believe it or not, mussels. It seems the types of mussel, zebra and quagga that have invaded the lake feed on phytoplankton instead of algae, making it even easier for the blooms to occur, according to NASA.

While the algae doesn't directly kill fish, it's still not good. As the algae dies, it's broken down by bacteria which uses oxygen from the water. This oxygen removal creates areas where fish can't survive. In addition, if consumed, it can also create flu-like symptoms in people or even kill pets.

Former Vice President Al Gore spoke Thursday in Detroit on the matter, associating climate change with the algae problem. "We're still acting as if it's perfectly OK to use this thin-shelled atmosphere as an open sewer. It's not OK," he said. "We need to listen to the scientists. We need to use the tried and true method of using the best evidence, debating and discussing it, but not pretending that facts are not facts."

While in the past, some have criticized Gore, claiming that he's made exaggerated statements about the environment, yesterday's speech drew upon some pretty hard scientific evidence, leading many leaders at the International Joint Commission to listen a bit more intently.

This past summer, an algae bloom spread across a beach in China, dying everything in its path "a shocking bright green."
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It's Warming, and getting warmer all da time.


Global Climate Change Indicators
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Climatic Data Center



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In the US so far this year, there have been roughly 50,000 new or tied record daily high and high minimum temperature records. That's in contrast to about 22,000 new or tied record daily low and low minimum temp records. The breakdown to date:

New record daily high temp records: 15,712
New record daily low temp records: 5,560
High/low ratio: 2.83 to 1

Tied record daily high temp records: 8,199
Tied record daily low temp records: 2,640
High/low ratio: 3.11 to 1

New record daily high minimum temp records: 16,275
New record daily low maximum temp records: 10,258
High/low ratio: 1.59 to 1

Tied record daily high minimum temp records: 9,829
Tied record daily low maximum temp records: 3,482
High/low ratio: 2.82 to 1

---and this in what was supposed to be a "cool" year for the US. Hmmm....
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Quoting JBastardi:
This is what the warmists really desire -- reversion back to the Stone Age:

Link

Aw, c'mon; that's like saying what denialists really desire is a headlong rush into a dystopic future where Big Energy is the law of the land, where the CEO of ExxonMobil rules a barren and scorched landscape pockmarked with deep strip mines and lit by massive oil flares, under a dense and gray sky made opaque by a miles-thick blanket of greasy oil smoke and sulfur particulates, and utterly devoid of wildlife or natural places.

Oh, wait...
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This is what the warmists really desire -- reversion back to the Stone Age:

Link
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Quoting cyclonebuster:


Republicans really need to be educated on man made climate change. How can this be done with their hands so deep in the oil wells?

I believe their thinking is that they'll fatten themselves up as much as they can now on fossil fuel dollars. When the bills really start coming due--as some already are--they'll be dead and buried. It's always been that way with some people: all that matters is the now. Let the children and grandchildren figure out how to untangle the mess we've handed down to them; we won't be around to hear their complaints...
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Quoting nymore:
I see you edited your post. HAHAHAHA

Yes, I corrected a typo. Now, if certain people here would correct more of their comments, they'd be easier to read. Hint, hint... ;-)
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Quoting Neapolitan:

No, you didn't "catch" Dr. Masters "making things up". What you did is you tried yet another of your "gotchas!" , and again you failed to gain any traction. As was patiently explained to you over on the main, Dr. Masters cited data from two credible, open, and widely published sources, and combined those data in a table. Only someone on an endless--and so far fruitless--witch hunt would use that to accuse someone of wrongdoing.
I see you edited your post. HAHAHAHA
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Institutionalized Denialism - Exhibit #18,942:

Scientists revolt over Texas censorship

Scientists in Texas say they want their names removed from a report on climate change and sea-level rise censored by the state's environmental agency.

The scientists accused Gov. Rick Perry's appointees at the agency of political interference and censorship involving a report on Galveston Bay.

Every single scientist associated with the 200-page report has reportedly demanded his/her name be taken off.

"None of us can be party to scientific censorship so we would all have our names removed," Jim Lester, a co-author of the report and vice president of the Houston Advanced Research Center, told Britain's The Guardian newspaper Friday.

Officials from the agency allegedly made numerous changes to a report chapter discussing climate change, sea-level rise and wetlands destruction.

"They just simply went through and summarily struck out any reference to climate change, any reference to sea level rise, any reference to human influence -- it was edited or eliminated," said John Anderson, an oceanographer at Rice University who wrote the chapter. "That's not scientific review. That's just straightforward censorship."

UPI Article...

The sad part is, of course, for every scientist who is up in arms over such malevolent idiocy, there is a fan and/or proponent of Big Pollution smiling down upon the Golly Gee Guv.

Absolutely pathetic. But completely expected.


Republicans really need to be educated on man made climate change. How can this be done with their hands so deep in the oil wells?
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Found the Canary Island volcano underwater eruption.

Underwater volcanic eruptions cause large green stains on sea's surface



An aerial view of a green stain on the sea's surface off the coast of the El Hierro, one of the Spanish Canary Islands, a day after two underwater volcanic eruptions were recorded.

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Institutionalized Denialism - Exhibit #18,942:

Scientists revolt over Texas censorship

Scientists in Texas say they want their names removed from a report on climate change and sea-level rise censored by the state's environmental agency.

The scientists accused Gov. Rick Perry's appointees at the agency of political interference and censorship involving a report on Galveston Bay.

Every single scientist associated with the 200-page report has reportedly demanded his/her name be taken off.

"None of us can be party to scientific censorship so we would all have our names removed," Jim Lester, a co-author of the report and vice president of the Houston Advanced Research Center, told Britain's The Guardian newspaper Friday.

Officials from the agency allegedly made numerous changes to a report chapter discussing climate change, sea-level rise and wetlands destruction.

"They just simply went through and summarily struck out any reference to climate change, any reference to sea level rise, any reference to human influence -- it was edited or eliminated," said John Anderson, an oceanographer at Rice University who wrote the chapter. "That's not scientific review. That's just straightforward censorship."

UPI Article...

The sad part is, of course, for every scientist who is up in arms over such malevolent idiocy, there is a fan and/or proponent of Big Pollution smiling down upon the Golly Gee Guv.

Absolutely pathetic. But completely expected.
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Quoting yonzabam:
Global warming
Global economic meltdown
Peak oil

Anything else? Looks like interesting times are ahead. One of the Canary Islands had to be evacuated this week because an undersea volcano started erupting. Lots of dead fish floating on the surface and the sea turned yellow. Probably won't amount to anything, but they were discussing on a 'prepper site' about the likelihood of a tsunami hitting the US east coast.

As if. The West Antarctic ice sheet will collapse before that happens.


Linky please.
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Global warming
Global economic meltdown
Peak oil

Anything else? Looks like interesting times are ahead. One of the Canary Islands had to be evacuated this week because an undersea volcano started erupting. Lots of dead fish floating on the surface and the sea turned yellow. Probably won't amount to anything, but they were discussing on a 'prepper site' about the likelihood of a tsunami hitting the US east coast.

As if. The West Antarctic ice sheet will collapse before that happens.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

No, you didn't "catch" Dr. Masters "making things up". What you did is you tried yet another of your "gotchas!" , and again you failed to gain any traction. As was patiently explained to you over on the main, Dr. Masters cited data from two credible, open, and widely published sources, and combined those data in a table. Only someone on an endless--and so far fruitful--witch hunt would use that to accuse someone of wrongdoing.
Oh by the way you are correct it has been fruitful or was that a freudian slip
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Quoting Neapolitan:

No, you didn't "catch" Dr. Masters "making things up". What you did is you tried yet another of your "gotchas!" , and again you failed to gain any traction. As was patiently explained to you over on the main, Dr. Masters cited data from two credible, open, and widely published sources, and combined those data in a table. Only someone on an endless--and so far fruitful--witch hunt would use that to accuse someone of wrongdoing.
So if I take something from say Fox News and put that in on a GISS fact page or MSNBC and post on WUWT fact page that is fine. Glad to know thank you. Stuck to my guns though and no one could prove me wrong based on facts.
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Quoting nymore:
Oh by the way I caught Dr. M making up things that have not yet been proven right then he added the figure to a credible site as if it were them and called him out on it on his blog so I may be banned for pointing it out and calling him out. If I am banned it has been fun and good luck to you all

No, you didn't "catch" Dr. Masters "making things up". What you did is you tried yet another of your "gotchas!" , and again you failed to gain any traction. As was patiently explained to you over on the main, Dr. Masters cited data from two credible, open, and widely published sources, and combined those data in a table. Only someone on an endless--and so far fruitless--witch hunt would use that to accuse someone of wrongdoing.
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


You are correct that our inventions have greatly expanded our productivity. We live longer and much better lives than at any point prior to the industrialization of our world. This is why I stress, so vehemently, in our conserving what we use and recycling what we discard. Our "fascination" with disposable play toys is leading to our demise, as a "civilized" society far faster by our own interests in self satisfaction, greed and self comfort. When we refuse to make sacrifices today, we severely limit our future generations from sharing of what we enjoy today. Our own selfishness now will lead to our future generations despising their predecessors. This will probably be the first time that the next generation is not able to expand beyond the current generations' level of improvement in their lives. .... So much for us wanting our children to have a better life than we have? Think about it.
I am all for recycling what can be used again. Hell I wish milk still came in glass bottles. Cheap plastic everything is a major pollution problem and I wish we could solve it. You know maybe technology has made life to easy for most people. No real physical labor required for most anymore. They don't appreciate how hard it is to actually produce something.
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Quoting nymore:
Oh by the way I caught Dr. M making up things that have not yet been proven right then he added the figure to a credible site as if it were them and called him out on it on his blog so I may be banned for pointing it out and calling him out. If I am banned it has been fun and good luck to you all


I have never seen Dr. M ban anyone for having an opposing opinion. I have seen members banned for attacking or being abusive to other members. ... My hope is that you are not banned. I enjoy our conversations.
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Quoting nymore:
It is easy for you to sit in your dwelling with the raw materials provided for it by mauling of Earth by people like me. Look around you do you think all those thing were made on Mars. You should be grateful for people like me. I would have been happy to see the combustible engine as I could do my job more efficiently and faster on the other hand you would have and do hate it because you claim it is killing all of us. Just another hypocritical post by you if you don't like these things do not use them. BTW have you figured out the difference between profit and profit margin yet?


You are correct that our inventions have greatly expanded our productivity. We live longer and much better lives than at any point prior to the industrialization of our world. This is why I stress, so vehemently, in our conserving what we use and recycling what we discard. Our "fascination" with disposable play toys is leading to our demise, as a "civilized" society far faster by our own interests in self satisfaction, greed and self comfort. When we refuse to make sacrifices today, we severely limit our future generations from sharing of what we enjoy today. Our own selfishness now will lead to our future generations despising their predecessors. This will probably be the first time that the next generation is not able to expand beyond the current generations' level of improvement in their lives. .... So much for us wanting our children to have a better life than we have? Think about it.
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Oh by the way I caught Dr. M making up things that have not yet been proven right then he added the figure to a credible site as if it were them and called him out on it on his blog so I may be banned for pointing it out and calling him out. If I am banned it has been fun and good luck to you all
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Quoting nymore:
It is easy for you to sit in your dwelling with the raw materials provided for it by mauling of Earth by people like me. Look around you do you think all those thing were made on Mars. You should be grateful for people like me. I would have been happy to see the combustible engine as I could do my job more efficiently and faster on the other hand you would have and do hate it because you claim it is killing all of us. Just another hypocritical post by you if you don't like these things do not use them. BTW have you figured out the difference between profit and profit margin yet?


If we all die due to GHGs does profit really mean anything?
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Quoting Neapolitan:

Yeah, it's easy for some to sit in their little cocoons of denialism--falsely cheery places impervious to reality--taking sniper shots at others for daring to think outside the box. Perhaps CB's oft-touted tunnel idea won't ever work--but at least he's not deluding himself that he can go through life gaily and ignorantly mawling the earth (#21) to get at its fantasy supply of endless "stored" energy (#17). Now, I'm not sure where the clean energy figures in #17 came from but they're nowhere near correct. But even if they were--which, again, they're not--they show an utter lack of technological understanding. See, things change and progress with time; make fun of solar-powered race cars (#20) all you wish, but remember that even these contraptions are going faster than horse-drawn vehicles were many years ago. I suppose if Ossqss had been born in 1870 or so, he'd be at the head of the line decrying those consarned newfangled internal combustion engines that will never work. (And right by his side would be nymore, declaring that he was happy with his six-horse wagon, because there'd always be lots of hay.)

Bottom line: the planet is in peril. Preventing catastrophe is going to take imagination, and lots of it. If you haven't got any, or if you're too afraid to use it, do the world a favor: get out of the way.
It is easy for you to sit in your dwelling with the raw materials provided for it by mauling of Earth by people like me. Look around you do you think all those thing were made on Mars. You should be grateful for people like me. I would have been happy to see the combustible engine as I could do my job more efficiently and faster on the other hand you would have and do hate it because you claim it is killing all of us. Just another hypocritical post by you if you don't like these things do not use them. BTW have you figured out the difference between profit and profit margin yet?
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Quoting martinitony:


Men make mistakes. Think about that. For a thousand years or more they killed millions by not even washing their hands. How pathetic this blog has become.

The solution to all problems created by men is to eliminate men. Those of you who dance around what you are really saying are pathetic.

Dr. Rood is pretty pathetic, too. Speak up Dr. Rood. What is it that you want mankind to do?


Correct and allowing us to continue to burn fossil fuels is one of our biggest mistakes and may lead to our demise.


For me,a start would be for man to use Earths forces to produce electrical power. Allow this energy to work for us and not against us. Don't use something that is going to harm us or the environment. This is what will prevent our demise in the future.
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Quoting theshepherd:


With all the possible land slide generated gigantic tidal wave scenarios that exist around the planet, anyone building a coastal Nuclear Power plant lower than an elevation of 200 ft above mean sea level is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Japan knew what they were doing when they built those plants and they knew what was offshore. The elevation of the generators would have been an OMG afterthought for a flawed site plan..Ego and greed caused the disaster.


Men make mistakes. Think about that. For a thousand years or more they killed millions by not even washing their hands. How pathetic this blog has become.

The solution to all problems created by men is to eliminate men. Those of you who dance around what you are really saying are pathetic.

Dr. Rood is pretty pathetic, too. Speak up Dr. Rood. What is it that you want mankind to do?
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