Pond surface is not the limit

By: ycd0108 , 12:13 AM GMT on May 18, 2012

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The goldfish seem to like the inverted bowl. I'm guessing that the water warms more in the upside down bowl and the pressure is lower.
For some reason they all congregate in one tower. Come to think so do fishermen.

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I don't know why the goldfish all gather in one tower
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58. OrangeRoses
11:35 PM GMT on May 25, 2012
found the most recent blog and moved it there
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57. ycd0108
4:19 AM GMT on May 24, 2012
Dang Ylee: I thought that link would bring up your song.
Nice town!
I'll get back with some I wrote once Tloml has had her time on here or I might try to iPod you +}
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56. Ylee
3:56 AM GMT on May 24, 2012
I recall writing two songs as a teenager,; they were heavily influenced by Dr. Demento's radio show! "My Pet Snot" was a blatant ripoff of "Fish Heads", and "Verkhoyansk" was chosen bcause it was one of the coldest towns in Siberia, and it sounded good!

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55. ycd0108
1:56 AM GMT on May 24, 2012
HiYlee: No, I never learned to play the Hawaiian. I still have the acoustic but I don't play much anymore. We had a number of years of 'Pickin' and singin'" and I stood up with the best around here but we were nothing special - just enjoyed the sounds and the feeling of making them. I wrote mediocre lyrics to a collection of three chords and I can still chuckle when I recall them. The truck driver had no more choice than I did of his room mate and the nights off the grid were long. Once the Gen set was shut down it got really quiet.
We did not record much in those days but maybe I'll dig back in the organic hard drive and see how scrambled the lyrics are. Don't hold your breath, please: seems to me some of the songs are not fit for modern consumption.
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54. Ylee
1:30 AM GMT on May 24, 2012
The same guitar your dad made out of the RAF plane? How are you at playing?

How's the root cellar coming along?
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53. ycd0108
3:25 PM GMT on May 23, 2012
Ylee: Absolutely - in fact he was a fine raconteur
and that was the good news because we worked together and lived in the same bunk house for three week stints. To get even with him I brought in my old acoustic
Guitar.
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52. Ylee
3:02 AM GMT on May 23, 2012
I'm sure the trucker used a lot more choice words than "goofs"! :)
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51. ycd0108
2:35 AM GMT on May 23, 2012
Evening Ylee: We are getting lighter later for a month here then slide though our summer and start loosing daylight.
We try not to schedule any travel on the long week ends here - especially no ferries or planes. I avoid the highway as well. One trucker I worked with had this to say about choosing to travel on these days:
"The Goofs are out in full force!"
He was not talking about "Highway Patrol".
I'll go over and check the cams now
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50. Ylee
2:08 AM GMT on May 23, 2012
At least you got to see the eclipse; I won't get a shot at one until 2017!

Thanks for the info on the cam; there are several other Vancouver area cams I may show at some point in the next few months, while there is plenty of daylight!
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49. ycd0108
3:08 PM GMT on May 22, 2012
Monbiot's latest three articles have me a bit confused just now:
http://www.monbiot.com/2012/05/21/see-no-evil/
If that depresses you as it did me Google this artist:
Tamar Kvesitadze ART
Morning Bogon:
Saw your comment on my sideways photo. I'm learning slowly here and things quite often work out. If I remember to orient the photo correctly on initial download it is fine but once I view it after upload here I am stuck.
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48. ycd0108
1:48 PM GMT on May 22, 2012
"Ferry waits: Duke Point-Tsawwassen 1-sailing wait, Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay 2-sailing wait, Langdale-Horseshoe Bay 2-sailing wait. #cbc"
Ylee: The Vancouver cam is the Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay run.
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47. ycd0108
4:45 AM GMT on May 22, 2012
Evening Ylee:
Not only gloomy but it got windy as well. This is the end of our "Victoria Day" Long Weekend and one of the big ferries has hickups so the whole system is a bit "backed up". We've had worse though, Like when one damages the loading ramps (usually during an hard landing).
Running my own boat actually makes me appreciate the ferry system. On a calm day we can run across the Salish sea in about the same time and with a similar cost in fuel to the fare.
The only down side is we still would like to get back here and now and then that inland sea can be formidable for a small boat.
I usually take the Float Plane sched.
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46. Ylee
2:39 AM GMT on May 22, 2012
The West Vancouver cam on my blog showed it pretty gloomy there this evening, so I figured you had the same!

Is Jupiter part musk ox? Maybe you can have someone spin the wool! ;=)
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45. ycd0108
10:57 PM GMT on May 21, 2012
Yesterday was not a bad day for photos but the iPod image of the annular solar eclipse is not good. We could get a visual through the bright clouds by squinting through dark polarized glasses. Today was just foggy, dull with rain and wind so we waited till the rain slowed a bit and the wind was not too bad to make the short boat journey back from the cabin. I spent most of the eclipse trying to get a Bushnell telescope focused on the sun. It came with a setup to show the sun on a white panel behind the eyepiece but maybe I should have read the manual.
Calpoppy: you are certainly welcome to what I know about fluids and vacuums - in fact you have pretty well seen the extent there. We are still finding My old dog's hair in the boat as he rode with me for years building cabins on that island. Jupiter, however is one big wooly bear and we combed him a bit (that's an endless job) last time we were over and there are still large masses of dog hair on the grass there.
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44. calpoppy
7:36 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Thanks rob and ycd for the explanation on the inverted fish bowl!

Rob, I had a wolf hybrid for 13 years. Great dog! Also a timber/ malamute cross. Looked just like a wolf but acted like a dog. I had him when I lived in the mountains. I would take him hiking with me and people would see him on a ridge and swear they just saw a wolf.

I miss him but not the hair!!
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43. ycd0108
7:22 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Hi Ylee: Matter of fact our other dog-sit charge is a miniature Dacshund, Roxy. Sometimes we have both dogs and it was funny to watch them work things out. Roxy went for Jupiter at full volume and Jupe sort of stared at her with wonder from his relatively huge bulk.
They have sorted it out and now are the best of friends.
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42. Ylee
5:49 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Ouch!

Maybe your next dog ought to be a beagle! :)
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41. ycd0108
4:42 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Rob:
Well Jupe got old and has always been eager to please but he ain't too smart. We had one schelty that gave you the creeps when she watched you 'cause you could tell she knew better how to put a diesel motor in a sailing craft than I did if she just could'a reached them levers.
I have told this story before but I don't know where:
Stop me if you've heard it,eh.
Middle of the night at the cabin grandson falls out of bed and the whole act starts running around. Pick the boy up and dust him off and he immediately goes back to sleep. The rest of us mill around a bit and I decided to take Jupe on the leash to pee outside. Just as I was "relaxing" Jupe takes off after a 'coon on one of those zinger leashes which allow the dog to reach terminal velocity just before the line runs out.
Silly me did not let go of the reel on the leash so I'm airborn for a short time and auger in chin first. Slightly shook I hand bomb the dog back in and swear I'm gonna knock his block off and he does the classic "OK you are "Top Dog" thingy" and goes limp in my lap. Needless to say I could not deliver the punch so I hand off the dog and leash to somebody and check to see if I've broken my jaw. Just a bit of grass rash there but when I got up to go in to the cabin I noticed my right bare foot was sending confusing messages. I put it the bathroom sink with the light on it and one toe nail was missing
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40. RobDaHood
3:38 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Sorry, got called away.
Yeah, last I heard Ty was about 150 lbs and solid muscle.
If he put his mind to it i reckon he could pull you anywhere he wanted to go.

I know the wolf/chow that I had was smaller and could be a bear on a leash when he was young. Fortunately he was very smart, eager to please, and obedient.

I hear that there are a couple things that I am expected to do today, so I'll check back later.
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39. ycd0108
3:09 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Morning Rob:
Ty is a Timber Wolf? We think our grand dog Jupiter must have some wolf in him. He just can't help it - it's in his nature when he tries to pull you under a passing dump truck.
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38. RobDaHood
2:47 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
The pup is a Timber wolf - Malamute hybrid named Ty.
He belongs to a coworker of Angie. She met him as a puppy and they bonded. He's 7 months old in that pic and still growing.

Here's his baby pic...the first picture I ever posted on on my very first blog.


7 weeks.

I have better pics of both of them but these are the only ones on WU. (so Ylee can see)
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37. ycd0108
2:40 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Morning: I was reading comments here last night when a roar came from the adjoining room: "Turn off that computer!". Equivocal and complex as that order may sound to some I soon interpreted all the nuances and implied doom and took the path of least resistance.
Soon after there was a strong shallow earthquake in Italy.
Rob: "I hope I die before I get old" takes on a new meaning each day. I've got three generations of pretty girls to look at here and sometimes they come near enough to hug so when I look at a picture or video of a beautiful lady my appreciation is totally academic: what F-stop was used here and what lighting - you know.
Ylee: I have no opinion about "prettier" I just "love 'em all, short, fat and tall".
Shore: Does you peek in here mean you have sorted most of the stuff that tumbled on you? You must know you are my anchor or weather vane or GPS on this voyage.
(I gotta get a radar too, but I just noticed that regulations for small craft here require at minimum a Radar reflector so I'm gonna go get the one on the shelf in the shop and install it today on the boat).
Rob: OK, the girl in the pictures looks healthy and so does the husky. Where is the "Bias"?
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36. RobDaHood
2:10 PM GMT on May 20, 2012
Hey wake up!
We're burning daylight here!
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35. RobDaHood
12:42 AM GMT on May 20, 2012
Or:

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34. RobDaHood
12:28 AM GMT on May 20, 2012
Quoting Ylee:
"Actually, I think Angie is prettier, but the character Electra is fun to watch."

Good save, but predictable, lol!

I might be just a little biased.

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33. shoreacres
12:28 AM GMT on May 20, 2012
Whoops. I see y'all are in mancave mode here. Who's Jennifer Garner? Is she as pretty as the fish? I doubt it. ;)

Have fun!
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32. Ylee
11:43 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
"Actually, I think Angie is prettier, but the character Electra is fun to watch."

Good save, but predictable, lol!
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31. RobDaHood
11:33 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Quoting ycd0108:
Keep that thought Ylee: I doubt that Tloml cares what pictures I stare at but these beautiful girls are the age of my grand children.
What happened?
We are "taking a swipe at maturity between childhood and senility" according to a recently departed fellow ranter.

Wait a minute....I wasn't done with childhood!
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30. RobDaHood
11:31 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Quoting Ylee:
African parrots are more interesting than Jennifer Garner(any relation to James?), I think!

Maybe I'm getting old; nah, just smarter! Staring at her would get me in a lot of trouble! :)


LOL I wondered the same thing the first time I saw her.
I think not.

Her IMDB bio is here.

Actually, I think Angie is prettier, but the character Electra is fun to watch.
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29. ycd0108
11:30 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Keep that thought Ylee: I doubt that Tloml cares what pictures I stare at but these beautiful girls are the age of my grand children.
What happened?
We are "taking a swipe at maturity between childhood and senility" according to a recently departed fellow ranter.
Edit: actually I think it was his Lady who said that.
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28. Ylee
11:16 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
African parrots are more interesting than Jennifer Garner(any relation to James?), I think!

Maybe I'm getting old; nah, just smarter! Staring at her would get me in a lot of trouble! :)
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27. ycd0108
11:11 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
I was watching Jennifer when my favorite pirate, Charlo drives up in his old van with Tamu (african grey) on his shoulder. Tamu got bored with our conversation and interrupted with "Hello" so I went out and was honored when Tamu deigned to sit on my shoulder for a short time. Should'a got a picture.
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26. RobDaHood
6:32 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
PS...Turned on the TV and Electra is on.
Gonna go stare at Jennifer Garner for a bit.
:o)
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25. RobDaHood
6:27 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Quoting ycd0108:
Not a bad theory Rob: I've "been there and bought the tee shirt" too (BSc. '83 UBC). Got some exposure to "Atmospheric Science", thought about these things endlessly and put a few hours on in SCUBA gear.
I don't think the H-O bond breaks, though, the molecule exits the water surface intact unless you introduce electrolysis.

Correct. It is the bond between molecules that breaks.
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24. ycd0108
6:07 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Not a bad theory Rob: I've "been there and bought the tee shirt" too (BSc. '83 UBC). Got some exposure to "Atmospheric Science", thought about these things endlessly and put a few hours on in SCUBA gear.
I don't think the H-O bond breaks, though, the molecule exits the water surface intact unless you introduce electrolysis.
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23. RobDaHood
5:46 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Okay, here is my best explanation of how the inverted fish bowl works.

Vacuum. The weight of the water is trying to pull downwards to the level of the water in the pond. Remember how I said that liquids resemble solids more than gasses in some respects? Liquids don't compress or stretch very well. YCD, you have at least a passing understanding of this because it is the way that hydraulics work. You push a liquid in one side and it applies a similar pressure on the other side.
That covers compression (the basics anyway, in practice there are a few other factors involved) what about stretching?

A water molecule is made up of 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. The hydrogen atoms have a single electron each for a total of 2. The oxygen atom has eight electrons. This results in the hydrogen atoms being positively charged and the oxygen being negatively charged. So, the postitive charged hydrogen atoms of one molecule are electrically attracted to the negatively charged oxygen in nearby molecules of water. I'm not really trying to teach a class in molecular physics so that's all I'll say about that, but the point I'm trying to make is that hydrogen bond makes water molecules want to cling together. That's why rain makes drops!
If you want to know more go here and here.

Now, we have this water that is being pulled downward by gravity but the molecules on the bottom don't want to let go of their friends at the top. They all want to come down together. Since the vessel is sealed, nothing can get in to take the place of the water as it is pulled downward you would end up with empty space at the top. What we commonly call empty space is...

Vacuum.

Nature abhors a vacuum. So, the only way to overcome this (other than causing a crack or hole in the vessel or breaking the seal at the base is to have the vacuum exceed the air pressure outside the jar. In other words, a really tall jar! once the container got to such a height, the pull of gravity would provide enough energy to allow the molecules to break their bonds and fly apart. Boiling. Transforming to steam, filling the vacuum, and letting the water fall downward.

At least that's my theory.

(I know I've cut a couple corners and oversimplified things a bit, but I'm not trying to write a book)
:o)
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22. ycd0108
4:30 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
You never cease to amaze Rob:
Blog prayer:
"Ask and you shall receive"
Had my palm read some years ago
but I've outlived the time line
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21. RobDaHood
3:43 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
LOL
You could write it on your palm!

http://www.theweatherworkshop.com/barometers.html
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20. ycd0108
3:42 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Hi Rob:
What I'm looking for is that funny shaped glass thingy that has water in it and sort of responds to air pressure changes. I see references to it but then I wander off into museums and look around and have to come back here to find out what I wanted in the first place. Story of my life lately.
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19. RobDaHood
3:03 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Quoting ycd0108:
Rob: Now I've been lost in searches of Torricelli, Goethe and Storm Glass. "the more you look the more you see".


LOL

Have fun!
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18. RobDaHood
3:02 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Remove all atmospheric pressure and water can not exist as a liquid, only as a solid (ice) or as a gas (steam). What we call boiling is actually water molecules with enough energy to break free from the surface tension of surrounding molecules. Boiling is a function of temperature and pressure. That is why water boils at a lower temp at high altitudes.

Has little to do with the fish domes (unless you were making a very tall one), but relates to post 16.
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17. ycd0108
2:57 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Rob: Now I've been lost in searches of Torricelli, Goethe and Storm Glass. "the more you look the more you see".
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16. ycd0108
2:31 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Morning Ylee:
I wondered about that too but you can see the water level drop in the bell over a week or so so I have to refill it. I'm not sure what gasses would be in top of the bell; CO2 and water vapour?

Atmospheric pressure is often measured with a mercury barometer, and a height of approximately 760 millimetres (30 in) of mercury is often used to illustrate (and measure) atmospheric pressure. However, since mercury is not a substance that humans commonly come in contact with, water often provides a more intuitive way to visualize the pressure of one atmosphere.
One atmosphere (101 kPa or 14.7 psi) is the amount of pressure that can lift water approximately 10.3 m (34 ft). Thus, a diver 10.3 m underwater experiences a pressure of about 2 atmospheres (1 atm of air plus 1 atm of water). This is also the maximum height to which a column of water can be drawn up by suction.
From Wiki search: Barometer
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15. RobDaHood
2:12 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Remember that at a certain point when a vacuum is applied, the water will turn to a gas. That is a hint.

Another hint is that in some ways, liquids have more in common with solids than with gasses.

Have fun. Looking forward to your results.
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14. Ylee
2:10 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Mornin', ycd! I wonder if water recirculates in and out of the bell? If not, wouldn't the fish eventually run out of oxygen?

Really cool setup, though!
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13. ycd0108
2:03 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Morning Rob: You got here ahead of me. I'm gonna go look at the science of this phenomena myself. I'd like to try setting up a 30' column with a vacuum pump at the top in a pond, mark the feet and inches on the column, start the pump and see just how high the water would rise. I'll have to consult my copy of Red Green first, though.
This setup would make a good barometer.
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12. ycd0108
1:55 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
calpoppy: Good morning. The water says up in the bell due to the air pressure on the pond - about 14 pounds per square inch at sea level. Any cylinder closed on the top end can be lifted above the surrounding water surface to around 29 feet before it will vacuum at the top. You can sink a large bottle in a water filled bathtub, invert the bottle and lift it and water will stay inside until the mouth breaks the surface.
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11. RobDaHood
1:41 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Poppy,
Fill your kitchen sink with water. put a clear glass or jar in the water and fill it. Now, invert the jar and lift it up until the rim is just below the surface. Don't let the rim break the surface or air can get in and the water will get out.

Cool huh?

Now, I'll let you figure out the science behind it.
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10. calpoppy
1:03 PM GMT on May 19, 2012
Very cool idea!! I have never seen it done before. I think where I live the fish would fry in that bell, but they would love it in the winter.

This maybe a dumb question, but how do you keep the water in the bell?
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9. ycd0108
4:10 AM GMT on May 19, 2012
BriarCraft:
I can not claim any credit for the idea. A friend already had fish up in a bell long before I built the pond. I heard or read about an aquarium with a loop of plexiglass tube where the fish can traverse or just hang out way up there. Water in a tube will vacuum out at about 30' and I don't know what the negative pressure on a fish would be at 2' above water level but I do know it would be significant. I assume a fish would explode at about 4' ASL
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8. BriarCraft
3:45 AM GMT on May 19, 2012
That's really a nice setup -- or will be as soon as the guys in the lower pond get their own penthouse. I would imagine that inverted bowl gets a lot warmer with the sun. They have their own spa with a view they're not used to seeing. What an ingenious idea!
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